[Nantuko Joe]

#1) Joe, I didn't say the Radio Satilites detect life, they detect radio communication, i.e. radio transmitters.

You never said that. You just said "There are no aliens anywhere near us, because if there was, we would have found them by now using our radio satellites and we have 27 of them in a big Y-formation".

And it IS ENTIRELLY POSSIBLE that the aliens may use something more advanced than radio waves, so advanced that they can't be picked up by our radio satellites.

#2) It is highly doubtful that there's no way they could have copied the "alien" egineering.

Why? You're giving our human race too much credit. That's like saying, "if we left a car in the middle of the jungle, would the Gorillas be able to re-create it?" No, because they're too primitive to understand our technology. Maybe its the same with us. Maybe, with all our smarts, we're too primitive to figure our alien technology

#3) Why are you makng this an arguement about if the are aliens or not. I do believe in life outside of our planet, but if they came here already, we would have scanned them already and / or made some sort of meaningful contact with them.

Scanned them? dubya tee eff? And once more, you're trying to act as if you're STATING a fact, when in fact you don't know. And maybe the "meaningful" contact you speak of has already, happened, but the ppl they made contact with just don't remember it.

Look up the case of Betty and Barney Hill.

I'm talking about alien abduction. While the patient is under a hypnotic state, the hypnotist asks them questions. Hypnosis allows one to reach into their SUBconscious and recall details they could not have remembered otherwise. This is the most useful tool scientists have to use to separate the hoaxers from real life. There have been instances where the patient is lying, and they'll say it outright in the hypnotic state. HOwever, there are many occasions where the patient will definately recall a type of alien abduction. And the subconscious CANNOT lie.

I'm just trying to bring the scientific facts into the conversation, and the main facts are... if they found us, chances are, we found them. And it's not just a government cover-up, because i highly doubt if there were aliens here, only the US would know about it.

That's not entirely so. Human beings have been walking this earth for around 60 MILLION years. Yet, scientists are discovering new specie of animals ON OUR OWN PLANET that we didn't know exist. If we can't even know of the existance of animals on OUR OWN PLANET, I'm pretty sure chances are that we wouldn't be able to make contact with extraterrestrial life.

And like I said, maybe the aliens don't want us to find them, but they want to study us instead; the alien abductions is their version of "going into the field, bringing a specimen back for study, then releasing it". They then wipe out the victim's memory, so they can't cause mass panic and potentially expose the aliens

Lets say, yes... there has been an alien landing here, and it was confirmed by the US Government, ok? The most armed country in the world. Why wouldn't we start making weapons to defend against alien invaders? We've already wasted trillions on "just incase" defense, why not more?

How bout this one, if these aliens are so powerful, and all knowing. They can't be detected, and they move at super speeds, why the hell would they be crashing in the desert?

So the chances that there have been aliens here recently, are very slim. I wish i could give you a scientific estimate... but i honestly don't know. Pretty hard to find info, ya know

But if I were to guess, I'd say, about 1/1,000,000,000 probably higher.

I'm with you on part of that, Tantum. I DO believe that the US would indeed have tried to build a defense against a possible alien invasion THAT MAY NEVER COME. It IS possible that the alien that crashed simply did that--crashed. And the US couldn't spend trillions trying to mass produce alien warfare, because they can't get that much money without taking a majority of it from the general public at large. And the last thing the govt. wants is the entire US public in a state of panic over an alien attack that maybe NEVER will come.

And why did they crash in the desert? Well, it IS possible that the US govt (in their constant state of paranoia), chased the ship with a few US fighter planes, and shot it down. Or it could be that the alien plane was the target of a strange atmospheric phenomena (ie, ball lightning, solar radiation). Or, just maybe, the alien craft ran out of "gas". Who the hell knows? All I know is that the night before it crashed, the ppl of Roswell reported a LOT of strange activity in the sky, strange lights maneuvering back and forth...and at least one farmer reported seeing it crash into the desert. The next day, the military was ALL OVER IT.

P.S. I do believe aliens could have been on earth before, but the chances are very very slim, considering they haven't made any contact in recorded history, and we haven't detected anything.

That's not what you originally said. THIS IS WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY SAID, and I quote:

Have they come to Earth, no... will they? Maybe in about ten thousand years

I see your'e changing your story now...

Oh yeah, as for the idea... that "what if they don't use radio waves anymore?"

All waves of the electromagnetic spectrum move at the speed of light for eternity in space, the only way that we would not have detected alien radio waves, is if they have passed by us already... which is actually not impossible.

You just contradicted yourself (or something). You just said that if they didn't use radio waves anymore, their radio waved could have passed us by now. If they didn't use RADIO waves, then WE NEVER WOULD HAVE DETECTED THEIR RADIO WAVES, WOULD WE, SINCE THEY DON'T USE THEM?

Therefore, the statement stands: they may use some other forms of communication. Maybe they use something far more advanced than radio waves. Or maybe (and this is a big maybe), they have some slight telepathic abilities, and have created technology to allow them to communicate telepathically over great distances

True, it's not out of the question that the waves passed us. But it is out of the question that the US government found an alien spaceship back in the 50's, and never built any defense, just incase they came looking.

You don't KNOW that they haven't built a defense. Maybe the US govt already has, but doesn't want to let the rest of the US know about it, because they'd be risking a public outcry

well, we could always go to the antimatter and laser propulsion theories, or better yet, the stargate

Lol...the Stargate. But the antimatter/laser propulsion theories have yet to be tested, and therefore MAY be something we should keep our eye on.

Now, back to aliens