[Nantuko Joe]

RoSaT argument: NO, you are wrong. You CANNOT keep on going in for 48 hour increments. Once again, if that were the case, Vegeta would have gone in and out, in and out, and been somewhere around 50 years old by the time the Cell Games came around.

It IS the case. If Vegeta wanted to, he could have. GOku even stated it

On Gill's Resurrection: You don't see a little Ki bar at the bottom of the screen during DBZ fights in the anime or at the bottoms of panels in the manga, do you? No. Resurrection is an ability that Gill possesses, and automatically kicks in when he has sufficient power and he is knocked out. It is his body's reaction to being unconscious, and his body revives him completely upon this occuring.

I see. SO unless a Z character can knock him out quickly and with surprise, Gill can't be KOd either?

Shun Goku Satsu argument: to have the Shun Goku Satsu deal damage, the target must have done something evil in the past. The Shun Goku Satsu preys on the past evils of a person and torments them with them. To have it kill, the person needs to have done sufficient evil in the past. M. Bison/Vega was insta-killed by it. Further, though, if somebody who has done evil in the past has purified himself, such as Gen, the Shun Goku Satsu will be rendered useless.

However, the SHun Goku Satsu won't affect ANY of the Z fighters. Vegeta, though he has done many past evils, has already come to grips and dealt with them both when he sacrificed his life to try and kill Buu and while in Hell. And Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and the others have done nothing evil for the SHun Goku Satsu to affect them

More on Gill: easily the most powerful attack that any Street Fighter has is the Seraphic Wing of Gill's. The Shun Goku Satsu comes close, but it is too conditional to be the best. The Seraphic Wing hits ANYTHING around Gill and does absolutely insane damage.

First off, Tarkan said taht the Seraph Wing was like an offensive shield, not a super-duper attack. And even so, an attack like that must drain away A LOT of energy from the user, and prolly can't be repeated many times

New Argument for Akuma: Tensou Kaireki Jin. This is the attack that Akuma learns at the end of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike. He raises his hand and lets loose one powerful chop as his signature purple energy flies from the point of impact, dealing more damage than the Shun Goku Satsu. Also, this attack is not conditional like the Shun Goku Satsu, making it his most powerful tool against the Z Warriors.

However, this beam can also be countered by a beam of equal or greater power, such as a Shine Shine.


New argument for Gotenks: THe Galactic Donut. He forms a ring of energy that goes around the opponent and crushes him slowly, causing a tremendous amount of pain and damage.

and dbz ppl don't use skill because they've gotten past that. a martial artist can only learn a certain amount of skill, but after they've reached the maximum skill level possible, they move on to ki manipulation. which is what dbz characters are doing.

Good point

RoSaT: THINK ABOUT IT! Vegeta said that he'd take all of the remaining days in the RoSaT, so he WOULD have been in there 'till he was reaching a mid-life crisis!

Yes, he could have done it, should he wanted to. Therefore, it is possible to enter/exit repeatedly, though in a way you're destroying yourself in the process via old age

But I said before he can do the same in the storyline, just like in the game.

We're going to need some way to measure the amount of "super bar power" that these SF fighters are going to obtain during the battle

They were almost even, so it wouldn't have mattered.

I'd stake Furiza form 2 at around 1,200,000 and Piccolo at around 800,000. Thats a difference of 400,000, and that's a big difference

It works on any soul, unless they have deity status, like Gill, or they release their soul. the Z fighters have bad in their hearts, but it's not noticeable, they have done a sin by killing people, so the shun goku satsu can be used.

Goku has not killed a single person throughout DBZ. Gohan has only killed Cell, and Cell was evil, so the killing of Cell was justified. IF they kill evil people, than that is not evil, because it's justice. THerefore, the Satsu won't affect them (except maybe Vegeta)

Recall that Vegeta said that he would take the remaining days before Piccolo pointed out that the room would close.

THat was only if Vegeta did not leave after 48 hours. Vegeta intended to train in there for the 9 days STRAIGHT without leaving. However, it was then that Piccolo said that you could only stay in for 48 hours. As in, 48 hours at a time.

It is illogical because it has been said that the time limit is 48 hours in a person's lifetime! That is why!

Find me the manga page where it says that