[Nantuko Joe]

nantuko: i am calm ! it's just that i hate people saying me i don't know a thing when i do have wathced the story entirely ! i do know all the details of it all and i do watch the show ! but YOU (as in you and vegetam) are always saying i don't know a thing ! at least that how i feel about every one of your post in this stupid thread !

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but if I see a chance to prove my opponent wrong, I will do so. I've NEVER said "Karma, you don't know $hit about DBZ" at all. What I HAVE implied was that due to the fact that I watch the Japenese anime and have read some of the manga, I know more information on a more official level than you know.

KRILLIN: is one of the very strong fighter. he is at the level of piccolo ! the only thing that makes him unable to do much, is the FEAR he always have ! he never died from punch kick or anything ! he always dies cause of blast ! tell that he isn't strong

Kuririn is NOWHERE NEAR the level of power that Piccolo is at. The last power-up that Kuririn got was by the Saichourou on Namek, and that brought his power up to around 17,500 by my standards. He couldn't do a damn thing to Furiza except cut his tail off, and that was AFTER he almost died.

Now look at Piccolo. After fusing with Nail, he was able to best Furiza Form 2. It was also stated that Furiza Form 2 was about 1,200,000 in power level (I'm going by Tarkan's guesses), and although Furiza was stronger, it was also stated that though Piccolo was weaker, he was faster, more agile, and a lot smarter than his opponent and that is why he was able to show Furiza up. I'd put Piccolo's power level at around 800,000

Now, let's say that they both continue their training normally after the Furiza Saga. Not only would Piccolo still be stronger than Kuririn later on in the saga, but he also re-fused with Kami-sama, giving him a HUGE boost in power. Kuririn got nowhere near that level, because he stopped training after Cell Games

And Kuririn HAS died before because of a non-blast attack. He died in DB at the hands of I think Drum, during a MARTIAL ARTS fight, with no ki manipulation involved. Then, in the Furiza Saga, he almost died at the hands of Furiza when he was stabbed through the chest (still, no ki involved). And the second and final time he DID die, it wasn't from a blast, but Furiza made the ki inside of Kuririn explode. Thus, in a way he self-destructed.

So in conclusion to that, Kuririn is not as strong as Piccolo, and he has never died from a beam.

VIDEL: is very strong for a human ! once shew knew how to channel her KI, she start training more and now has becom way more than every single human !

SATAN: he too has a very strong body, he did survives every single blow this has been given to him !

VIDEL: she can use only one ki ability: Bukujutsu, or the ability to fly. Other than that, she can't channel her ki anymore.

SATAAN: has absolutely NO ki manipulation. The only reason he's the "World Martial Arts Champion" is because he never actually defeated any ki-manipulating fighters, his victories are due to his skill in the martial arts

SAiya-jins TRAINS their POWER to be STRONGER

Saiya-jins train their BODY to become stronger. They cannot increase their strength in ki without strengthening the body, because extensive use of ki is harmful to the body. On earth, Goku was pretty much crippled from his own Kaioken x4 attack, because the Kaioken increases the speed at which the ki harms the body to make the body stronger. In order to become stronger with their ki, they must therefore train their body to become stronger.

mutants don't have KI as their PRIMARY weapon ! DBZ char does

No, mutants PRIMARY weapon is their own mutant powers. However, they don't need to train their body to make their mutant powers get stronger. Cyclops' strongest beam will always be the same size, no matter how much he trains himself. And the physical body doesn't matter against a DBZ character because his strength is not the same.

You see, the relationship between the body and ki is a symbiotic relationship. A person trains their body to increase their ki. In return, the ki allows the body to become even stronger. If the body becomes stronger because of the ki, it allows the person to train even more rigorously to raise the ki even higher, and the cycle continues. If a person has a weak body, then their ki is weak. If their ki is weak, they have a weak body.

On the other hand, we have X-Men. Their mutant powers and bodily strength are not like that. They may train to increase their physical abilities (strength, speed), but their mutant powers are unaffected. And yet if they train their mutant powers, their bodily state is unaffected.

So, in conclusion:

Saiya-jins body and ki feed off each other
Mutants body and powers work independently