[SSJKarma]

nantuko: i never said he wasn't strong ! i just said that he is very less strong than he looks since he most of the time KI to enhance their powers !

again, have you ever notice how the SAIYEN are THE ULTIMATE RACE ?
they fart and the earth explode !
come on ! be better than that !
GOKU = MAIN chars ! it would be bad if anything had happenned to him !

i think we shouldn't add the saiyen into this debate has they are way above anything normal !
example:
they die and come back to life = double their STRENGH
they almost die and are healed = double their strengh
they fight and lose = double their strengh

do the math and notice how they can be too much for any chars !
those are just because they are the main chars of the series !
if krillin would have been it's him who had been that strong !

again, with the same training ANYONE could be as strong as any DBZ chars !