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see nantuko, that make sense!
I never said it didn't make sense. I said that the Sonic Boom was just like Kuririn's Kienzan
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OTOKO MICHI: DAN most powerfull super, where he grab onto the person and sefl destruct himself with his KI !
First off, SF characters don't use ki. And even if that was the case, Dan would die becaus you said it yourself "he self-destructs"
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SF use brute force and train to be STRONGER as in MUSCLE and TECHNIQUE
DBZ use KI attack and train to boost that KI.
DBZ doesn't JUST USE KI! They use force. Look at Goku in the spaceship to Nameck. He was doing vertical push-ups, one-handed push-ups, hanging sit-ups, punches and kicks, that kind of thing. The reason they don't weight lift is because there's not enough weights on the planet for them to use, they're too strong physically
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SF use MUSCLE and TECHNIQUES
DBZ use KI to enhance ALL their KI Blast and their MUSCLE !
DBZ doesn't just use ki. They practice in martial arts and the arts of grappling.
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and again, the TRAINING goku and vegeta had (400x gravity) isn't impossible to us human ! as goku AND vegeta started training under very lower gravity first and then came up and up until they reach those gravities !
When Goku wanted to train in 100x gravity, he started off training in something like 20x (because he already trained in 10x on Kaio-sama's planet). Vegeta was much stronger when he started his gravity training, and he started at around 100x gravity and worked up to 400x
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in GT, FAT BUU died and UBUU absorbed him to become UUBUU ! or something like that !
Why do you ppl keep bringing up GT? GT doesn't count, goddammit!
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Well I don't want to get this to be a huge debate
41 pages doesn't qualify as a "huge debate"? 
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i'm just going to debate with tarkan since he seems to be the most sensible and powerful debater on the SF side in this thing(no offense to anyone).
one question: if gill is a "god" and he is immortal, then, was he ever defeated? if he's immortal, then there is no need to continue this topic since he can never die. so if that is the case then sf would win (with 99% credit to gill's immortality of course).
Just because he's a god doesnt' mean he can't die. Kami-sama (Kami) is a god, and he died when Piccolo died. North Kaio-sama (King Kai) is a god, and he died when Cell self-destructed. Rou Dai-Kaioshin (the old Supreme Kai) is the super-god-of-all-gods from 15 centuries ago, and he died when he gave his life for Goku.
So you see, gods can die.
and even if Gill can't die, the Z fighters would kill everyone BUT Gill, then somehow lure Gill into the Room of Spirit and Time and blow up the outside of the room. That way, Gill would forever be trapped in a never-ending empty dimension
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OK then. IMmortality. Lets bring in the eternal dragon and wish for goku and vegeta to be immortal. Now that just sucks doesn't it. Two of the strongest fighters immortal against 1 immrotal. Still dbz has the edge.
Lol, there you go
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that's ridiculous, it never happened in the manga. so vegeta and goku aren't immortal. you can't make things up, it would be like saying: get goku to train some more under 1 million x earth's gravity to beat akuma
He didn't say it DID happen. He's just saying IT COULD happen. If SF fought DBZ, they could wish for Goku and Vegeta to be immortal
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i never said that! i just said i'm going to take on the big fish(tarkanX) and then the other debaters. besides, he was the original debater on the SF side from the start.
[color=green]Pretty much 80% of my posts, I've been arguing against TarkanX.[/quote]
[color=green]Now karma are you telling me that goku and the rest of the z fighters are the same strenght as a human and they go all strong when the use there ki attacks. I'm sorry to say but that entirely incorrect. IN the Buu saga when vegeta had to punch the machine so he know's how hard he punches he broke the damn thing and thats wasn't even his hardest punch. [/quote]
Exactly. In DBZ, when Goku was training in 100x gravity and later on when vegeta was in 400x gravity, they weren't JUST using ki to train, they were using strength. You can't say that the DBZ fighters use ki for everything