[quote
ost_uid0="asshole"]Well, one of the strategies in BOXING is to never let ANYONE take you down!
So, so much for your grapplers...
( I know you can still probably use some grapplers while standing up, but don't think its that easy.. )[/quote]
Boxers are trained to fight
other boxers, not grapplers. Same with the martial artists. It's rather interesting to see two martial artists go at it in a UFC fight, because they are lighting fast and they'll block punches and kicks like crazy. When you are fighting someone of the same fighting discipline as yourself, the one that's more experienced usually has the advantage. But that's what makes fighting the grappler types so difficult---you can be quite skilled at your respective fighting discipline, but how the hell do you deal with someone that wants to wrestle, and not trade punches and/or kicks? Let's take a martial arts master as an example. Let's say he's built like Bruce Lee, and he's lightening fast. He'll block your kicks, and counter your punches. But what's he going to do when a 240-300 pound man tackles his legs? He might get a punch or kick in before he is taken to the ground, but then what? The grappler type now has the advantage, simply because of his sheer size and weight. The grappler might pay for doing it, but in the end, the smaller man is still going down. There are other kinds of submission holds besides choke holds, so the grappler doesn't even really have to go for the neck. He can simply get him in one of those leg locks, and apply pressure (this is extremely painful) until the opponent taps out. I saw one fight were this dude was trapped in one of those, and he refused to tap out, and the other guy kept putting more and more pressure on his leg until it snapped.
Now, boxers are generally larger than the martial artists, so size and weight isn't necessarily as much of an issue. But I'm sticking to my guns. Boxers are trained to box, not grapple. In a
boxing match, the boxer would probably win. But let me put it like this. In boxing, there are rules. In UFC, there are not. In the end, the grappler will most likely win, because the boxer simply isn't trained on how to get out of submission holds (not that there really is a way out of them).
You also have to realize that these grapplers don't just do nothing but submission holds. Take Ken Shamrock for example. He'll start off trading punches and kicks, you know, to make you focus on blocking the next blow. But then when you least expect it, your legs are taken out from under you, and you're trapped in some ridiculous submission hold in which there's virtually no way out of. What's really painful is when they get their opponent on the ground, get them in a choke hold, and punch them in the face repeatedly. Not only can you not breathe, but your face is getting bloodied relentlessly.
In my opinion, the only way to truly defeat a grappler (regardless of your fighting discipline) is to have additional training on how to get out of submission holds. But as I said before, there isn't a hell of a lot you can do once you're trapped in one. Rent UFC #7 if you don't believe me.
There is one fighter that I've seen in UFC that is a master of getting out of submission holds. His name is Royce Gracie. This man is truly amazing. He seems to be able to get out of anything. He's a little guy, too. You wouldn't think much of him just by looking at him, but his ability to get out of submission holds truly gives him an advantage over the competition.
Asshole, you say you don't think it's that easy to get someone in a submission hold while standing, but you have to consider that these grapplers are trained to do just that. Grappling is a discipline in it's own league. Plus, you have to consider that boxing is a close-range fighting style. How many boxing matches have you seen where the two fighters are hugged right up against each other? If you do that in UFC, you're dead.