[Nantuko Joe]

Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form. O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form. I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000, But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)?

Vegeta's power level rose drastically because he healed from the damage he took from Rikum. Also, if you watch the anime, after Vegeta and Furiza grasped hands, Furiza was fine, but Vegeta was sweating and breathing heavily, showing that he must have exerted a lot of power and a lot of force against Furiza. Therefore, i'm guessing that Vegeta (after getting healed) was around 80,000 to 100,000 normally, and therefore had a max power of apparently 530,000. After Goku got healed from his fight with Ginyu, I guessed his power at around 300,000 normally, and using Kaio-ken x10 and x20, have Goku at around 3 million and 6 million, respectively.

Wrong, Trunks stated that the ones in the present are stronger than the future time. How can this be proven you say? Trunks can't sense the androids ki, but we compare it by how Trunks get beaten badly.

Trunks was beaten in his future badly just before he left to earth to fight the other present androids. But he was even messed up even more. Therefore the androids in the present is stronger than the future androids.

In Trunks' future, he was almost killed by the androids. He couldn't even score two successful hits. After giving Goku the antidote for the virus, he left to train some more in his future. When he returned, he was still getting beat. I'm going to guess that when Trunks returned to the present to fight the androids, he was about even with Goku (Goku didn't really grow in power during the training period for the Android Saga because he and Piccolo were focused on training Gohan). Even so, Trunks would still be weaker than the androids (according to my calculated levels I listed in my last post).

King Kold should be weaker than form 2 Freiza when Form 2 Freiza is almost at max. The reason why is because King Kold said on the shp that him and Freiza fought before, and Freiza had to go to form to and almost at max just to beat his father. So I'd put King Kold at 800,000. This was stated in the manga.

However, we must assume that because Kold is also a Changeling, that he could also have multiple forms. Therefore, we have no idea what form Kold was at when Furiza beat him, and we have no idea what form Kold was in when he arrived on earth.

All I know is that Tenshinhan states that he felt Furiza's Ki, and also a Ki much stronger than Furiza's.

You mean SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Trunks had a hard time with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm toying with SSJ Trunks, and Trunks was sweating vigorously. I'd put non-SSJ Gohan with one arm in your terms at 70 million, and SSJ Gohan with one arm at 210 million, or whatever you see SSJ's power increases the non-SSJ.

SSJ Trunks never fought with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm! Watch the special, it was Gohan's death that ALLOWED Trunks to go SSJ in the first place. And after the Furiza saga, we don't even try to calculate non-SSJ power levels because the fighters pretty much always go SSJ for their fights (except for Vegeta Vs. Pui Pui).

Freiza at form 4 max wasn't at a PL of 12 million or lower, he's much higher than that, probably around 20 million, but he's even with SSJ Goku when he's at max. Vegeta is only 5 times weaker than Freiza's form 4 is at max. since Freiza was at 20% when he transformed.

Vegeta never fought imperfect Cell, he fought against Semi-Perfect Cell, and Vegeta got the time room training for a year which really upped his power by a huge margin

Here are my levels for Furiza during the time on Namek:

Furiza Form 1: 530,000
Furiza Form 2: 1,000,000
Furiza Form 3: 2,500,000
Furiza Form 4 (33.3% power): 4 million
Furiza Form 4 (50% power): 6 million
Furiza Form 4 (70% power): 8.4 million
Furiza Form 4 (max power): 12 million.

When Furiza first went form 4, in the english version he says he's using "only 1%" of his power, however, that's bull####. I THINK it is listed in the Daizenshuu (or elsewhere) that he was using like 33% of his power. (If you can show me where it says taht Furiza was at 20% power when he transformed, and I'll believe you.)50% power would be around 6 million, and therefore twice that, for 100% power, would be 12 million. There's no way that Furiza and Goku's power levels were around 20 million. Here's what I got Goku at:

Goku Max Power (vs. Ginyu): 180,000
Goku Base Power (vs. Furiza): 300,000
Goku kaioken x10: 3 million
Goku kaioken x20: 6 million
SSJ Goku: 15 million

Although Furiza seems to be a lot less in power than Goku, the same thing happens as in Piccolo vs. Furiza: Furiza (versus Goku) was faster and more agile, and therefore it appeared that he and Goku were the same (or close) to being the same level.

by the way what part of the series was the Ryuken attacked used?

My mistake.

Oro can use the variable kishin riki in the sky as well....

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Joe smacks his forehead</span>

Do you think Oro would expect to drop a Z Fighter from the sky and expect him to NOT fly away and hit the ground?

But what's well aimed if the opponent keeps on moving that you can't get a good direct attack.

I said the same thing, using Goku's Shunkan Idou. However, I'm going to say what you said to me: this is a fight. Sooner or later, the opponent's going to have to stop and fight.

Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek.

We are never introduced to the mothers of any of the full-blooded Saiya-jins.

Bardock, on Planet Meet, killed off Furiza's elites, but Dudoria (the fat pink guy) hit Bardock with a blast and [/b]THOUGHT[/B] he was dead, but Bardock was not. Bardock then got to his pod and flew back to planet vegeta.