[quote
ost_uid0="princevegetam"]any fighter who doesn't know martial arts is weak compared to someone else who does know.
...finishing an opponent in a few minutes. not even the greatest fighters in the world can kill in a few minutes
...well, duh!, any martial arts requires speed over strength. so any one good at martial arts is fast, otherwise they wouldn't be fighting using martial arts.
...you guys got lots of bark, but do you have any bite to go with it. brag all you want, but prove your words.[/quote]
Have any of you ever seen UFC "extreme fighting?" Ya know, no holds-barred, banned in several countries, outlawed at one time, and violent as f*ck? If you did, I think your perception on "great fighting" might change a bit. I must say, I think some of you take anime too seriously, and you've probably seen one too many Van Damme movies. There is no "supreme martial-arts warrior."
First of all, with all due respect princevegetam, you are dead wrong about being weak if you don't know martial arts. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen in those "no holds-barred" UFC fights. In UFC there are no rules, so in my opinion, it is the closest thing to a "street fight" you could ever watch on your VCR or DVD player. The truth is, the grappler types are generally the toughest contenders. Why? Because being able to do backflips and fancy kicks doesn't mean anything when you're on your back being pinned down by a 240 pound man. That's what the "grappler types" are trained to do, get you on the ground at all costs; and believe me, they're good at it. Sure, martial artists are excellent fighters at a distance. As long as they can keep that distance, they have a good chance at winning. But if one of those "grappler types" manages to get in close, all the martial arts training in the world won't save them. Once they have you on the ground, strength is most definitely superior to speed. What they'll do is, they'll tackle their opponent by the legs (despite their size, most of them are pretty quick), get them in a submission hold, and then bash their skull to a bloody pulp until they either forfeit or are unconscious. This isn't a video game where the move is performed and then the opponent is somehow magically thrown out of it at some point at a safe distance. No. Once they have you in one of those submission holds, it's all over. Cheap fighting strategy? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't work. I've seen many "martial arts experts" lose in that very manner. Besides, in a real street fight, there's no such thing as "dirty." You do what works.
Now, that's not to say that martial artists are total weaklings. I don't mean to imply that at all. But I think you need to give strength and size it's due credit. One of those "grappler-types" from UFC would rip Jean Claude Van Damme a new asshole. I used to think that the martial artists were superior myself, until I saw one of those UFC videos. Watch Ken Shamrock fight sometime and you'll see what I mean.
As far as not being able to defeat an opponent in a few minutes, I'm going to have to disagree with you there, too (sorry
). Have you ever been kicked in the head full force? Because in a real fight where you're actually trying to hurt your opponent (such as a UFC fight) and you aren't wearing any kind of protective head gear, the fight's pretty much over when that happens. You can cause permanent damage if you hit your opponent hard enough. Getting kicked in the skull is no joke. If you're still moving after a blow like that (which is unlikely), chances are you'll be too dazed to prevent any further attacks. I will admit, the martial artists have the advantage in this scenario, because they are trained to deal with immense pain. But the average person is more than likely done for.
And if one or both of the fighters happens to be a "grappler type," those fights don't usually last very long, either. Tackle, submission hold, repeated blows to the face (full force). One minute, tops. I saw this big sumo in one of those fights trapped in a submission hold, and the guy kept punching him in the side of the head until he cried. I couldn't believe it. Blood was pouring out of his ear and everything.
I agree with you about ZeroEna getting carried away with the ego, however. In real life, one person doesn't win against six. This isn't a Bruce Lee movie where they all stand in a line and take turns trying to kick your ass, no, they'll all get in there at once. I don't care how good you are, you can't defend from all sides.
If any of you are interested in UFC Extreme Fighting, I feel obligated to warn you ahead of time of the graphic violence. It's downright gruesome (blood, bones being broken, and in a few cases, even death), and it's all 100% real. It got banned from several countries for a reason.