[TarkanX]

Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

there is only one moon. And That was destroyed.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios.

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Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

This flash back wasnt in the manga, Vegeta just told Goku how planet Vegeta was destroyed.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)

what the hell......

Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.

princevegeta, you're wrong, sorry. Gohan's hidden powers were unleashed by Android #16's death at the hands of Cell. It was that hidden power being unleashed that allowed Gohan to go Super Saiya-jin Level 2. The Mystic form was a power-up provided by the Rou Dai Kaioshin (the little old guy on East Kaioshin's planet). That form allowed Gohan to surpass his own limitations, but because he did that he was unable to go SSJ from that point on.

Actually Gohan turned SSJ2 in the time room, but it wasn't seen, that's why Goku wanted Gohan to fight Cell, because he saw Gohan go SSJ2, but not for that long. And yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.

yes, I also watch the crappy American version so i can look for the many, many discrepancies between the American and Japanese version. The "wave" part kind of got stuck in my head. And look at it this way: at least I didn't call the Shukan Idou "Instant Transmission".

Okay, yeah I saw that...

There's no way anyone went over 1 billion. Considering the rate that DBZ characters grow, I'd have to say that the singlemost strongest DBZ character that ever existed was when Goku and Vegeta fused to form Vegetto, and I believe that Vegetto had a PL of around 600 million

LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million


Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million


Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.

Fine. I'll instead say Kibit's Kai Kai (Instantaneous Movement)

fine.....

Yes, he does! He says, "He...he dodged it. He can move faster than the speed of light." or something along those lines.

He might have said it in the anime, but it's not in the manga, so Raditz doesnt move at the speed of light.

I've got a list rightin front of me that has around 50 of DBZ's signature moves, and I can think of more. Besides, are you saying that just because SF has "signature" moves, that their moves are better than DBZ moves?

Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....

Yes, but when he does, he doesn't get any stronger. His power level stays the same

His power level doesnt stay the same, Piccolo stated against Goku that he got stronger when he grew.

See my post regarding princevegetam's comment

I already did, and I posted it first.....

SBYRD5, do you know ANYTHING about DBZ? Planet Vegeta was destroyed about five minutes after Goku was sent to Earth.

Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.

Tarkan, let's pretend that at the end of DBZ, Goku (or any living Saiya-jin) still had their tail and went Ozourou. You're seriously telling me that SF would win?

The only one who would stand a chance would be Gill, since oozaru is crazy.

Ummm....noooo.... The Spirit Bomb draws energy from all organic life, all living things. It cannot draw energy form a black hole or supernova. Where do you come up with this stuff?

The genki-dama does draw energy from all organic life, but it doesnt draw energy from black holes or super novas, Kaio-sama sates this in the manga. The manga is true, the anime is not(most aspects).

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)

Furiza was not at his max when he used his Death Ball. When he blew up Planet Vegeta, did it look like he was really trying? He was laughing casually as he was charging the thing.

Yes Freiza wasnt at his max, and cant be at his max in form 1 through form 3 because he'll kill himself.

Akuma: It is true what you say about the Kongou Kokuretsuzan. However, if Goku can simply pull off a Shukan Idou to teleport behind Akuma and Kame Hame Ha his ass.

It takes about 5 seconds for a regular kameha meha to be charged(stated), by that time Akuma would teleport to another place in the area.

As far as the Tenshou Kareki Jin goes, sure, it could destroy a ship. But if you pit that against a Kame Hame Ha (which could destroy a planet), do you really think Akuma would still win?

The Tenshou kareki-jin isn't a projectile, so it'd be a mismatch if a non-projectile would face against a projectile.

Gill: As far as the fire and ice thing goes, if he freezes Goku, he could simply power out of it using a Kaio-ken attack. Although I know it is just filler, I can say that he did the same thing in Movie #2: The World's strongest man. And Goku can take the heat. Remember when Furiza blasted Goku into the lava? Goku still survived, did he not?

Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.

Oro: Kishin Riki can lift them and drop them, but what good does that do against characters that can fly?

Oro can fly too.

[The Tengou stone can lift debris (if thats what you meant by debree), but a well-aimed laser blast could destroy it.

Oro can lift all the debris in the world, so he'll just throw all of it, yes even boulders at his opponent.

Yagyao Dama could suck you in, yes, but isn't it possible for a DBZ character to use a blast of his own to destroy it?

Yagyou-dama is bigger than almost any DB"Z" characters blasts.

So what if Oro is 150 years old? Kame-sennin is over 300

Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore.

Speed is nothing to worry about for the stronger members of DBZ. Sure, he could take out the humans, but I doubt he could use speed as an advantage against the stronger DBZ fighters.

You like to de-exaggerate the SF characters, Oro can't move at the speed of light, but he can move so fast, you don't even see him, just like the DB"Z" anime.

Bison: Sure he can teleport anywhere in the world, and a Psycho Crusher can kill above average humans, but I'm going to have to say that all of the Z fighters are just a wee-bit stronger than above-average humans.

Yes that is true, but Bison has plenty more in his aresenal.

His psycho shot takes a lot of damage, and he can gain control over the opponent.

Yes, Bison can absorb negative energy, but a Genki Dama can absorb positive energy.

It takes a long time before a genki-dama can be charged to be thrown at the opponent. And At that time, Bison would just rush down Goku.

Twelve: If he's like Buu, than he can be defeated.

Twelve, is like Buu, but doesn't feel hurt when he gets punched or kicked at, only ki can hurt him. And Buu was beaten by the genki-dama, which the genki-dama takes a good while to be charged.

Goku: First off, his normal form is kinda powerful, but with three Super Saiy-ajin forms, he can transform until he's powerful enough to defeat his opponent.

SSJ3 drains the life out of you if your alive, but yeah is other 2 SSJ forms are powerful, but the SF characters still have their trump cards.

Goku has the Kaio-ken, which can boost his already SSJ-boosted power

Goku can't use kaio-ken in his SSJ form, he'll die if it was used. Kaio-ken is too much stress and I mean TOO MUCH stress in the body, SSJ forms are stressful as well, and talk about SSJ3, if Goku wants to commit suicide, he'll just use kaio-ken + SSJ.

Goku has the Shukan Idou, which means that he can immediately teleport away from a laser blast and counterattack

True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle.

Goku has the Kame Hame Ha, which is one of the most powerful attacks in the series, and he also has the Genki Dama, which will destroy anything with an "evil" ki.

The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique. Yes The kamehameha is powerful enough to destroy the earth, and much more, but Goku wouldn't do that, since hed be killing himself, and since this is a battlle, no one would want to risk killing themselves.

And let's not forget about the Ryuken (Dragon Punch)

What part of the Ryuken(not GT) was used in the DB series? Because it wasnt used in the DB"Z" series.

Vegeta: He's got two Super Saiya-jin forms behind him, and he's arrogant. He won't give up in a fight unless he's dead. He's got the Final Flash and the Big Bang attack. The Final Flash is a whole lot stronger than the Kame Hame Ha. However, his arrogance makes him make mistakes, and he could easily underestimate his oppponents.

Yeah final flash can destroy the earth, and maybe big bang, final flash is stronger than the kamehameha.

Gotenks: At Super Saiya-jin 3 level, Gotenks would pretty much dominate the field. With attacks like Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball, Shine Shine Missile Barrage, and Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, he could easily prolly take out anyone.

*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.

Piccolo: Though he's real weak compared to the Saiya-jins, Piccolo has two key attacks: the Makankosappo and the Renzoku Senkoudan. We all know what the Makankosappo is, and the Senkoudan is an attack that surrounds the opponent with hundreds of ki packets, which then converge and hit the target simultaneously.

Piccolo's makankosappa just pierces through the opponents body, but it's really powerful when it hits, it can kill the opponent, but Piccolo's renzoku senkoudan wouldn't work against Gill since Gill will just create a forcefield around himself.

Vegetto: Easily the most powerful character ever to grace DBZ, Vegetto not only is powerful, but has ALL of Goku and Vegeta's attacks.

Vegeta is easily the best DB"Z" character, but he's still flesh, Gill can take him out.

Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

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P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice???

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Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta

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This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice"
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)

No offense, and I'm trying to be nice when I say this but, please stop acting stupid, and please don't bring up GT or the movies in this debate.

What? You moron, Dragonball GT is not part of Dragonball! DBGT was not from a manga! It is not an official series! Even Tarkan will agree with me. DBGT was made by an outside party who wanted to continue the DB"Z" phenomena. It was not approved by Toriyama, it merely used Characters from the DB"Z" series!

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You cannot say that Goku fused with Shen-long has a power level of any sort, because after the Furiza Saga of DBZ Toriyama did not release any power levels! And neither did the makers of DBGT, so you can't say that he had a power of 1.5 billion!

Therefore, the fusion between Goku and Shen-long is invalid, as is Gogeta, because the only time we are introduced to him is during GT and the movies. And anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows that the movies are merely filler that never happened! So there, YOU are the frigging novice!

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Therefore, your statement to Roll is also invalid. In DB"Z", the Saiya-jins DO NOT regrow their tails. Once it's cut off, it's off for good. And it's Ozourou, not Uzaru, and Vegeta was NOT the first to go Golden Ozourou in GT, Goku was! Goku looked at the full earth light and transformed, then transformed into Super Goku 4! Vegeta transformed AFTERWARDS because of the Brute Ray that Buruma made for Vegeta.

True, but GT is filler so we don't need to go into this.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru)

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Joe this is fun your still a joke but fun.
Look tails do grow back stupid really.
1)When Goku First transformed in DB series for the first time the cat Puar I believe turned into a pair of scissors and cut off goku's tail.
2)The tail reappeared during the world Martial Arts Tournament
when Goku fought a creature in the tournament that was a Talking dragon or dinosaur with wings.
3)Gohans tail was pulled out by Piccolo when Gohan first transformed.
4) Gohan's tail reappeared when there was a fake moon in the sky. Piccolo pulled it out again.( keep reading please)

The tails werent permanently removed when before they regrew back.

Sorry to post again
5) Ok the next time was when they were fighting vegeta.The tail reappeared and was the cause of vegeta's defeat.(How could you forget that?? Do you watch the DBZ series at all)
6)Vegeta's tail was cut off by the fat guy.(THE REST IS GT)

Goku only fought Vegeta twice, and the 2nd time vegeta didnt have the tail, and Yajirobe permanently cut off Vegeta's tail.

yamcha.....pfft........ and i know gokus pl ia higher than 150,00

150,00? dubya tee eff.... I think you mean 150,000, and Goku has a much higher PL than 150,000.

no #### sherlock......i put that it would make sense if a sf character fought yamcha......because he's human....

maybe not a sf character, but a sf character like Ryu, but Ryu MIGHT be able to beat Yamucha, but Yamucha would have an upper hand IMO, unless Ryu doesn't turn into evil ryu.