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ost_uid0="Scorponok"]
Karma, I see what you're getting at, but the only thing it proves to me is that you don't have anything in response to my points I've stated.
You're question? But there is a Heaven, so your question is null and void :biggrin:
And asshole, read Genesis and see for yourself about free will :S[/quote]
like i thought, you don't even care and you don't want to argue with us, all you want is to prove that you are right about it, and this, reguardless of what we think !
cause if you answered what you answered... then you clearly didn't understood what i wrote !
i'll put you my question the other way around...
tell me how you know HEAVEN exists !
give proof of it, cause simple THOUGHT and BOOKS doesn't !
and you still didn't answer my question...
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE KING ARTHUR AND EXCALIBUR EXISTED ? (believe me, this is relevant)
other questions i ask you...
DO YOU THINK GOD IS PERFECT AND NEVER MAKES MISTAKES ? (many think yes, that's what i ask)
but anyway... i'm out of this debate, cause you don'T seem open enought to actually understand us correctly, you seems to be focused on god and that's it.
like i said, PEOPLE FEAR THE TRUTH !
what if what your TRUTH happens to be wrong ?
that's the question many, like yourself don't want to ask themselves.
that is the only reason why i rather believe in things that i can proove and let time prooves me the rest !
you got no proofs of god existence, no REAL proof, the bible is just an old book writen by more then 300 peoples with 300 different ways of understanding the thing.
i was never saying that all was wrong in that book... but most (over half of it) is mainly false and non-sense added over the years because those writers didn't loved what they wrote down !
if jesus would have been BLACK (maybe he was)
do you really think, that at that time... (black slavery)
they would have writen the bible as him being black ?
if yes, then you gotta a big problem, and you're just like that women in my family that think god is gonna give her everything because she gives him all her money and the rest !
those kind of fanatics like that, don't have their place in a community. they think everything is granted to them and they try to make you believe them cause they want to hear the truth, so they make their own truth and make sure they are right !
again...
how do you know, your truth is the right thing to believe ?
i tell you, no believe is the right one, we all know its gonna change someday... and if you die and you realize you see another god then yours... how will you react ? how will god react ?
for my part, he never helped me out, did he ever gave a reason to me for taking lives ?
when he take out my little cousin which died from cancer at the age of 6 !
did he ever listenned to my prayers, did he ever gave me a reason to believe in him when i most needed it ?
my whole 15 years of life when i believe in him... he never hapenned to give me any reason of his existence.
did he ever gave you some ?
then, why would you care for a creature that doesn't even care if you believe in him or not ?
now, i'm 22... i just don't care if he exists or not, only time will give me that answer !
now i think this debate reached his limit, if you're not even gonna give us credits for our arguments... then you clearly wasn'T debating at all !
asshoie: i ask of you to close this thread, or if you like that kind of non-sense, then just go on with it... but i'm out of here ! maybe i'll continue to read... but don't expect me to post anymore !