[color=# f0000]to be honest i was wondering for that, what's the point of you joining a tourney just to say you joined it and not show up to fight without even warning that you won't show up ?

why most of you joins and simply let it go by, are you doing this to make the tourney go wrong or what ?

i mea nout of 150 participant who registered for the grand tourney, about only 30 to 50 of them will actually show up and on the rest only about 10 will give an actual reason as to why they don't fight !

so i wonder, what are the remaining 70 actually doing ?[/color]

[color=#0000 f]the other 70 members are getting bugged every freakin day, untill they finnally say "FINE!! FINE, I'LL JOIN YOUR STUPID TOURNY!"

its happened to me many of times.

..only to see that then they bug you so YOU can get other people to join.[/color]

[color=#0000 f]I'm trying dammit. :@

im having connection problems though.[/color]

[color=# f0000]you guys didn't even answered my question !
you blanka didn't even understand the question and answered me something i already knew and better something that was so evident to know.

yet the question remains the same...
why have they joined if their schedule didn't permitted it and they knew it ?

why would you join a tournament knowing you probably won't have the time to participate in it ?

who in their right mind would join a tourney just for the fu nof saying hey i joined, now you can win all you want i won't fight !

its just stupid ![/color]

Well here is the ANSWER. I said this before many times and I will say it again. Everyone joined the world warrior tournament just because it had *TarkanX and Nferno666's* names on it. The two big names in this community right now. Not many was really excited to play in the tournament. I would say 10 people of the whole tournament was actually excited. (and im part of the ten.. so try and look for the other 9 out of the 100 the joined).

The users who joined were like *whatever i'll join email@email.com*. No EXCITEMENT. nothing. Just this dumb attitude of *i joined just because admins are hosting it.. or i joined just because my friend told me to* Most of them were asked to join. The tournament was not that well advertized.

I bet if blanka09 hosted the tournament on his own, not many people would have joined. (sorry to say but its true)

What I am very disapointed of is that there was 3 hosts in this tournament and you people did not make much e fort to let everyone know about the tournament. Or even get everyone excited about the tournament. Zing79 did it on his own. And you people have 3.

Sorry to say.. but Shame on all 3 of you.

:waits for others to reply to me:



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093500383

[color=#0000 f]zing hosted his turney when people were actually hooked on the game, thats whats di ferent.

You cant blame this on blanka, tarkan, or nferno...You ca nonly blame it on the times, and like it or not they have changed.[/color]

You seem to not understand that they did not put as much e fort to even make the tournament big. They could have done it. If they were actually dedicated in making a tournament as huge as Zing79. With 3 hosts. LOL they could have made the tournament the BIGGEST YET.

Without e fort and dedication. You won't get anything big.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093501149

[quote:post_uid0="dominicankid098"]You seem to not understand that they did not put as much e fort to even make the tournament big. They could have done it. If they were actually dedicated in making a tournament as huge as Zing79. With 3 hosts. LOL they could have made the tournament the BIGGEST YET.

Without e fort and dedication. You won't get anything big.[/quote]
[color=#0000 f]I can't believe you just said they didn't put e fort and dedication into the turney...

Seriously, if your such a nexpert, you host a turney...lets see if thats any good.[/color]

1. Never said I was a nexpert.

2. I will.

3. They didn't put much e fort. And I can tell they didn't because people were in the game asking if the world warrior tournament is over. Some of them don't even know how to look for the *world warrior* topic in the forum. (even if you explain it to them nice and slowly) And also some had said that they have been waiting for emails telling them when and who they would fight. WHICH NO ONE EVER RECEIVED. but they said they would do so. (and never did)

When I signed for the TOC I did not know how to even use a forum untill finally I learned how to reply in topics. but the reason why I even heard about TOC is because Zing79 was advertizing his TOC website in the game chat. I went to the site and read all the rules and I was interested to join and try to win the whole entire tournament. In the chat it linked me to the topic at the OLD o ficial forum and I signed up.

He had sent me emails of each fighter I had to fight in all of the 4 rounds I lasted in. And I got in contact with all four fighters through emails. And I fought all four of them.

If burger King never had commercials to advertize their fast food service, then it wouldn't be as big or even close to go against Mcdonald's.

It's all about advertizement. If they wanted their tournament big. Then I would have seen all three of them in the game chat advertizing an AMAZING SITE they had made for the tournament. People like to see BIG THINGS. Excitement. Not just some banner that says *JOIN NOW*.. and also tournaments that say *winners will receive special colored characters and prize*, but then again how many tournaments have already said that and how many tournaments actually have been successful enough to give out prizes? Not many.

I rest my case.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093503466

[quote:post_uid0="blanka09"]It's all the hype that comes with a tournament that makes people want to join in the fun. :biggrin:

I'm guessing they have "lives" of their own to live.. and sometimes it doesn't permit SFO in their schedule. I control the way I live my life.. and that's why I'm able to be here when and how I want. Not everyone has that priviledge/ability or whatever you wanna call it. That's why some of them show up at a certain time and cannot at another time.

It's just something that'll always follow this community.. and taking into consideration the rate at which we grow each day. Things like these shouldn't surprise me at all :biggrin:[/quote]
yeah i agree...
we r not really in the SFO only after all
:biggrin:

actually zing had help hosting the tourny by Quass

oh and dominician ur wrong it isnt all about advertizements.
rmemeber the no projectile tourny sbyrd hosted?
he spammede everyones pm box with advertizements.yes he did make alot of ppl join that tourny but hardly any of them fought. ppl will only join a tourny if there are prizes or something special.



Edited By coolplayer2K2 on 1093530995

[color=#3BB9 f]Yo people I join tourment but I never missed it I here every single day so I don't make dispoinment:)[/color]

[color=#0000 f]since i apperantly havent answered karma's question, ill guess ill put it in answer terms:

"the point is, so you can get people o f of your back, and for people to quit bugging you, with no inttentions o following through"[/color]

[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]actually zing had help hosting the tourny by Quass

oh and dominician ur wrong it isnt all about advertizements.
rmemeber the no projectile tourny sbyrd hosted?
he spammede everyones pm box with advertizements.yes he did make alot of ppl join that tourny but hardly any of them fought. ppl will only join a tourny if there are prizes or something special.[/quote]
How can you tell me that I wrong if your post doesn't seem like you even know what you are talking about?

Also it was Zing79's tourney. Never was Quass' name ever had to do with the TOC tournaments. The only relation between Quass and Zing79 is that wham gaming or vgmfusion that they host together. And that is about it. Never did Quass play a role in Zing's tournament.

Sbyrd5 didnt even do a good job with his advertizement of his tournament.

He did what everyone else ever does.

[-JOIN NON PROJECTILE TOURNAMENT.
*winners will receive special colored characters and prize*-]

again I say.. How many tournaments have said there will be a prize and how many tournaments actually was big enough for a prize?

To advertize a tournament you must have a theme. A theme that would get everyone excited to join the tournament. The "theme" would play a big role on the advertizement.

You will see. When I get my stu f together, I shall prove the ones who don't beleive me WRONG.

EDIT: BTW i think out of all my posts i made it clear that there is three things that is needed to make a good tournament.

Dedication
E fort
Advertizement



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093561218

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]LOL i harrased everyone daily for no projectile tournament..


I got 122 to register...

and only maybe 20 fought..so yeah..

And yeah fight I did bug you tell you said yes. :Oo:[/quote]
I still want to finish that one......I mean if only 20 fought, that means 10 are left including me......lets keep goin with it

well maybe if they did it like zing did for toc 2 and do it while everyone was playing in the game, and finished it i noNE day people would get more exciting, remember how zing had tmyapp advertise in the main page of xmvssf where EVERYONE could see it? thats what would get TONS and TONS of people to join and actually particpate in it, but look when zing did it, it was the most annoying thing of his life, but wha cha goina do



Edited By TitanX59 on 1093563576

Tark's got you beat hands-down. This game was something special, where you played simply for the exhilaratio nof going up against a good opponent. Now, it's, "now i'm rank 32," this, and, "omg why did my rank go down," that.

This game was excellent and fun to play in 2001 to early 2002 (partly because my frame rate was at least 15 back then), but the game has deteriorated because the player base has beocme filled with people who only want to achieve fame by gaining that magical, fanciful, rank #1.

Geez, I decided to try to get to rank #1 once in 2002, and got to the top 10 in just ONE hour, and decided I proved my point and backed o f... and these people can't even do that right...

This game has gone from awesome exciting fun to watching the paint dry, and it's not the fault of the game makers or glitches or my horrible frame rate. It's from REALLY, REALLY crappy players.

Then again, that's to be expected when something becomes as mainstream as this game. The smaller the group, the more dedicated they likely are. The bigger the group, the larger the number of losers.

Oh, and people, realize that players have a life outside of a noNLINE VIDEO GAME. When you say it to yourself like that, it becomes obvious. Why don't I post 24/7 on this forum anymore? I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. Why don't I really play the game anymore, and haven't for a long, long time? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT.

Those who don't realize what kind of sacrifices and stresses there are to running a tournament and trying to control hundreds of people at once should just not comment. I was there at one time, doing those things, and I COULDN'T do it. It's just too dang much stress to deal with.

I commend those who manage to run the tournaments, and I commend their e forts, even if they fall flat from gamer apathy. They deserve props for what they go through for this community.

Thank you.



Edited By Dan Hibiki on 1093572951

[quote]Shame on us, huh... you seem like you know so much about TOC1, yet the time you came to the game, TOC1 was underway, I was in the game 3 months before TOC1 began and I happen to know most of what happened with the tournament.[quote]

No. You are wrong. I joined the forum when Zing79 was advertizing his TOC website. I only joined the forum at that time just for the tournaments. My *Nov. 2001* display doesnt show my *sign up date* to this game. I had joined in sept. 2001. So that makes me 2 months away from TOC.

You must think I was some dumb child back in 2001. I can READ tarkanx. I tracked dow nevery little thing that went on in TOC even when I lost my round.

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Besides, we have lives, I know Zing had a life, but he had a computer wherever he went... we aren't always in the game all the time. If this was 2 years ago where all I did was post in the forum (during the year 4-player came and destroyed me), then I would make sure it was perfect and we're trying to do that, but we're not machines, or super humans.

It doesn't take a machine or superhuman to put MAX e fort in a tournament.

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You seem to be the one who isn't understanding, Italy is dead-on right, the game has changed... this is not 2001. We put the most e fort that we could, we could've done more, but if you're in the situation we are in, then you'd probably feel the same way as us. We are doing are best and if this tournament fails, I won't regret it, I did my best and I couldn't change the many DQs. This tournament did have more turnouts than TOC1, but not as many show-ups, but we should both know why that is.

Actually I am understanding, and I am right. Let's compare 2001 and right now 2004. 2001 not as popular as 2004. 2001 didnt have people fighting as much as 2004. (and you can tell by the di ference of records if you compare them)

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but that doesn't mean we didn't put much e fort. We were up well into the midnight trying to make sure we were good to launch the WWT, we were tired and soar and you say we didn't put much e fort? Do you even know what wer are doing right now? As I type, my arms, legs and elbows are soar, from walking up and down classes at the community college and walking through downtown Minneapolis, having to sit through a one hour session with my advisor, type constantly, trying to make sure people fight and now this post. We should've ended the first round earlier, but we didn't, because there were so many non-fights.

Like I said. Many have asked me *what happened to the world warrior tournament, is it over?* so YOU didnt try much... or maybe you did.. Your arms, legs, elbow sores? pretty funny.. i wonder what the other people in the wwt team was doing the whole time. besides watching you in pain.. *rolls eyes*

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maybe you need to feel our stress.

if my tournament turns out BIG or not.. I would most likely not even feel the *stress*. Just because I would release it when I know it is ready and FULLY PREPARED.

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Only one tournament has been successful and successful giving out prizes at the same time. What year was that in? 2001, what year are we in? 2004, read the previous statements I have made above about this.

like i said before.. the game is alot more popular now than it was back then in 2001. even with the problems from marve|. More users fight (even tho they are cheap) and like i said, my only proof is the top scores now and the archived 2001 top scores.

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Hopefully, we'll see this tournament of yours. I want to personally see it.

and i will personally email you when it is ready.

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TOC2 was kind of a failure. It was a terrible idea to do it while everyone is playing the game. Keeping track of 64 kids was insane i nearly 2002, but keeping track of 100+ kids in 2004? It will never happen. And yes, When Zing did TOC1, he was stressed out of his life, he needed a partner, which was Quass.

And I agree. Zing was stressed out of his life because he didnt expect the tournament to be as BIG as it was. Look at the tournaments before that. Necro2k1's tournament and Ryu's Drunken Brawl. They never hit 120 + users. but Zing did. So I would guess he was going through alot of stress but it also shows you that you have to be PREPARED AND READY for that type of stress. You personally knew it was coming.

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So you see. Beleive it or not, I do know my stu f. beleive it or NOT. :p

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Dan Hibiki.. this isnt a winning or losing topic.. I respect TarkanX for what he brought to the game.. I don't see eye to eye on what he had said.. I am not going to be like the rest and reply like this *Oh yes TarkanX :biggrin: you are so right! :biggrin: *gets on knees to tarkanx* :biggrin: ..

No. That is not my style.

and yes the game was more exciting back then but it wasnt as popular.

but I think I might have a *real answer* on why the tournaments isnt as big as they used to be. Just doubt people would agree with me.

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and yes i might have time to run a tournament now just because i am doing homeschooling and learning everything i have to know about the stockmarket to start my invesments..



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093573985

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]It's not a winning or losing topic, but Tark's winning the argument. Oh, and don't you dare try to make me look like a butt-kisser. I agree with him because I've DONE THOSE THINGS. It is a great deal of stress to try to manage everybody, and NO amount of preparation will make it any less stressful.[/quote]
Did I say that you are the *butt-kissers* that I am talking about? No. They know who I am talking about and most likely won't even try to look at any more comments that I had already said.

Who's arguing? I don't see an arguement.

I guess I will have to see the stress for myself to beleive it. I do got a busy schedule. Working an almost full-time job (39 hours weekly with low pay). Trying to put 4 years of highschool in 6 short months. (must get diploma faster) And I have a social life with a nexgirlfriend bringing me drama on a daily basis. but I am going to try to put *Fighters Golden Championship* tournament somewhere in my schedule.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093576555

[color=# f0000]ok, seems like some people here didn't even understand that there is a di ference between managing 122 peoples and 20 peoples !

i bet ya dominican that even if you get over 1-0 users to join in, only half that number will play, same as us !

do you even know how many times it takes to create such a web sites ?
do you even know how many times it takes to write a nemail to every single members who joined in ?
how can you even know when you are writing to a user who didn't gave the right adress ?
how can you even believe that this user who told you he didn't received it, even checked his emails ?
how can you even say you would be better in making a tourney when you didn't even made one yourselfup to now ?
last question but not least...
how can you do a bigger tourney then us, if you think 8 people don't do enough e fort for such a tourney ?

think it as you may... we are around 8 to actually on this tourney, not just 3 as you seem to think !
of course i know what i am talking about, for all moderators were supposed to work together to bring this, but many ofus couldn't even make it to even help, including me, yet i still am in this and i didn't just joined for the hell of it, i joined because i wanted to, something people seems to have forgotten since 2001 !

just answer this question to see...
how many people play this game just because everyone tells them to play it ?
if ya can find the real numbers for this question then good for yu, you will understand what we are trying to proove you ![/color]

Seriously when I do get my tournament ready, then I will see your *stress* that you keep talking about. but for now I don't think a very patient person like myself will get that stress.

Now why aren't many tournaments successful anymore. This is probably the only reason why I even think my tournament might not be BIG.

The *age* of the users playing these days. How old do you actually think they are? You check out the game chat and you would probably guess 11 maybe 12 but 13 max. Then you see them cybering on the chat and you would be like *yea, they must be 11 years old.* You want a tournament out of these children? Then show them something that would shock them for they can actually go join the tournament and aim for the prize. (I already have made some ideas that might get the kids into it).

Now I know I am not as connected to tmyapp as zing was in 2001, so I am guessing it would be pretty hard for me to convince him to even get a prize for my tournament. but I will try everything.

Now seriously. I don't care if you can't see things my way. I am done explaining myself. All I can do now is backup to what I had said. Which I will do everything I can just for you to see that it doesnt take much stress.

The more stress, the more you panic, the less things you get done just because you are worried about the stress.

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edit: already thought about those questions karma. I don't see your point.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1093585107

[color=# f0000]tell me how fast you can have a web site done and ready ?
tell me how fast you point out a post that shows the match ups, tell me how fast you can work and keep up with the deadlines !

i just can't wait to see you fail in your pittyfull attempts ![/color]

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]tell me how fast you can have a web site done and ready ?
tell me how fast you point out a post that shows the match ups, tell me how fast you can work and keep up with the deadlines !

i just can't wait to see you fail in your pittyfull attempts ![/quote]
i agree with him i can't host a tourney like that in a short time............

[quote:post_uid0="~Mastermax~"]well not too long ago we had tourneys like, best of the best and that no projectiles tourney, they had a good amount of participants but nobody seemed to get their fights done.[/quote]
Maybe they forgot or was too lazy to find someone you were surposed to fight or the peerson is not that active.