People say the game is better now than it was in October 2001, well in my opinion, that is just some bull sh*t, because most fo the people who say that haven't even played the game that long ago. October 2001 was skill based, sure there was lag, but the move set was unpredictable, and strategies were made every second, but what about now? You do optic blasts all the time, and you win, you do maximum spider all the wime, and you win, hmm... lets keep away with hadoukens shall we? dubya tee eff, are you mad?!?!! This game is no better than it was in Oct 2001, skill-wise.

In Oct 2001, you had to train, and learn from the masters to be decent, you had to put up hours in XvSF to be with the pros, what about now? In one hour, some rookie kills a pro no prob. In Oct 2001, super moves were dodgable, and they didn't exploit brokenness, now? Mega Optic Blast, Evil Ryu Mega super duper shinkuu gou zankuu hado of air fireball good ness!!!

In Oct 2001, normal moves(c.MP, c.Hk, j.HK) dominated the game for the most part, now?? Good you know what I was going to say, here is a cookie!!

I don't see any improvement in skill, other than a loss in that factor, only newer characters, newer moves, improved game engine, and that's it. Instead of repetitive matches(When you know whats going to happen when you face a Cyke, spidey, or Sent user), how about some unpredictable matches, like it was 1 1/2 years ago? If you want to disprove, go ahead, but you probably don't know what I'm talking about.

Also, a note, I don't care if you say back then, people were rank hungry, because those rank hungry people HAD to fight the pros or they would be ridiculed(Since they were a minority at the time), and usually, rank hungry people are just as bad as they should be, but times has changed, the rank hungry is the majority, most of the pros have left, and if you are at rank 100+ and want a challenge, good luck finding them, unless against ####ies(Just happened to em right now).



Edited By TarkanX on May 11 2003 at 01:42

" Back then, PeoPle were rank hungry(rier). "

Hahahaha!

those were the good days....

and i think tarkan just made this cuz he lost to a noob....

yeah i know ;)

Shutup! Tark here has a point back in the day with Ryu u hade to have strategies, I remember I was a killer with him upclose pulling of mad combos, even when wolve and chun-li was in the game. I was really good with ryu and never just did hadoken,hadoken, or Drill calw,drill calw drill claw. It makes no since and I cant even get in close to beat the snot out of ppl with my bare hands, cause they keep thowing haoukens,drillclaws and opticblast. I agree with Tarken there are nearly not any true masters around. Alomost all players abuse thier moves which is nonsense, I even notice in the real X-men vs sf ryu does not thow his hadoukens as fast and repeated in this version. And as for spidey web ball,web ball. All they do is hop in the air and web ball or spidey kick till they get thier gauge full. And do maxium spider or web sting.
And one thing I notice I rember TmyApp said even if someone thew a hadouken it would not stop your super like wolvies. But it still does. Most ##### their main strategies is do the same move over and over and pull of a super or Variable

[quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]I was really good with ryu and never just did hadoken,hadoken, or Drill calw,drill calw drill claw.[/quote]
Whoa Whoa Whoa!! Are you telling me there's a character who can do Drill Claws AND Hadounkens?


And there's a character who can ALSO DO OPTIC BLASTS, along with HADOUKENS and DRILL CLAWS!?!?

Can't you see he is talking about the opponet and I know your joking but still...

lol Asshole is always like that

TarkanX is right..you used to be able to move during a super, and almost everything else :biggrin:

what the hell is happening to this game?

i get caught up in alot matches with sum cheap bitch but i still wipe the floor clean of them. as far is i concerned about wolverine, only good fights i find with him is few pple i trained, who i showed the number of combos to. the combos i invented.

i really didnt think a wolve user could be cheap until i seen 'drill claw drill claw, drill claw, drill claw, drill claw, BBX, drill claw drill claw, drill claw, drill claw, drill claw, BBX, BBX' and that ####.

ryu is a different story, hadouken the entire damn match.

and italy, that statement u said proves ur one of them.

lol it might be tru, but not all of us are ne w bs and some of us have skill, solid is good not cheap, so is digi, pip, italy, resident....i would say myself, but im not cocky....

yeah right lol .TarkanX lost to a #### hehe :laughlong:

solidsnake get off my case fag...ur just pissed cuz i beat ur gay ass wolvie and proved u SUCK with wolvie

TarkanX, those ideals were partially true,,but here is a ####ies point of view...

At those times those veterean members were just playing Street Fighter vs. XMEN for the first time.Us ####ies have played those games most of our childhood.We had pretraining before the online game...you told me that you had to somewhat be tutored in the art of playing this game yourself...

That time was a beginner ara we are in a revolution of the community TarkanX.....You of all people need to realize this.....

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]People say the game is better now than it was in October 2001, well in my opinion, that is just some bull sh*t, because most fo the people who say that haven't even played the game that long ago. October 2001 was skill based, sure there was lag, but the move set was unpredictable, and strategies were made every second, but what about now? You do optic blasts all the time, and you win, you do maximum spider all the wime, and you win, hmm... lets keep away with hadoukens shall we? dubya tee eff, are you mad?!?!! This game is no better than it was in Oct 2001, skill-wise.

In Oct 2001, you had to train, and learn from the masters to be decent, you had to put up hours in XvSF to be with the pros, what about now? In one hour, some rookie kills a pro no prob. In Oct 2001, super moves were dodgable, and they didn't exploit brokenness, now? Mega Optic Blast, Evil Ryu Mega super duper shinkuu gou zankuu hado of air fireball good ness!!!

In Oct 2001, normal moves(c.MP, c.Hk, j.HK) dominated the game for the most part, now?? Good you know what I was going to say, here is a cookie!!

I don't see any improvement in skill, other than a loss in that factor, only newer characters, newer moves, improved game engine, and that's it. Instead of repetitive matches(When you know whats going to happen when you face a Cyke, spidey, or Sent user), how about some unpredictable matches, like it was 1 1/2 years ago? If you want to disprove, go ahead, but you probably don't know what I'm talking about.

Also, a note, I don't care if you say back then, people were rank hungry, because those rank hungry people HAD to fight the pros or they would be ridiculed(Since they were a minority at the time), and usually, rank hungry people are just as bad as they should be, but times has changed, the rank hungry is the majority, most of the pros have left, and if you are at rank 100+ and want a challenge, good luck finding them, unless against ####ies(Just happened to em right now).[/quote]
Everything is true that Tark said. I especially agree that everyone was rank hungry. That was what made the competition in this game. Everyone dreamed to make it to the top 50.

I want the old school version...

[quote:post_uid0="iTALY"]solidsnake get off my case fag...ur just pissed cuz i beat ur gay ass wolvie and proved u SUCK with wolvie[/quote]
THAT IS SO TRUE
i raped him too btw :p

bitch bitch bitch....

Dude TMyApp, I don't care if this is your game, but don't EVER call me a Bitch again. And I'm not kidding! ;]


But uhh Sbyrd, are you telling me that Vets never Played any SF games before this game? That's what your Post said, well SF's been out since 84, i'm sure everyones' Played it.

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]Dude TMyApp, I don't care if this is your game, but don't EVER call me a Bitch again. And I'm not kidding! ;]


But uhh Sbyrd, are you telling me that Vets never Played any SF games before this game? That's what your Post said, well SF's been out since 84, i'm sure everyones' Played it.[/quote]
Well Asshole, everyone played the streetfighter on Super Nintendo,but not everyone played the faster playstation arcade streetfighters.When I say this I mean part of the majority never played this version...
That is what made that ara most talked about....can't you see....

At that period of time not everyone was skilled.....adjusting to the keyboard took time...also with the reduced lagg..

Actually I bet many of those battles the users didn't even bother to super jump,because no one knew how to that good....

I heard of this during that time there was an record option TMYAPP installed into the system.I don't know if it still works,but some of the original 20 used it.

If we could just get our hands on one member that recorded one of his/her old matches we could study them and see if my theory is correct?! <!--emo&:sneaky:

I honestly think it is the price to pay for the popularity of the game. Because a lot of people play it ou'll get the cheap bithces that do the same move after move. Now we have to find out what can be done about it!

When i first played I know exactly what to do with ryu tag, hadoukens hurricane kick, supers all those. We have people playing the game and no even bothering to figure out how to play the game.

Thats just plan stupid and I know people who ignore the rules or instructions, they prefer to figure it out themselfs. And I really get pissed off when Im in a server and my partner ask me how do u tag. Im like what the ### your @ss shouldnt even be playing the game if u dont even ow to ####### tag.

When I started out I went stright to pratice mode and was seeing how things works. After hours of pratice I went to play and kicked ass, you would not think I was a noob the way I played (first time) but know when new players join they go straight to start dont even bother to pratice or look in options to know what the keys are.

hmmm Roll's Friend, it doesnt take a genius to master a game with RYU as the only character.. I played the first time and to tell u the truth I got owned by the 'vets' but I did pretty well for a beginner. After a month I became well known (sorta), there was no limit to superjump (everyone HAD TO know how to use this to win), teleportation was usual, and was part of the obstacle to master to become as good as the top 10. Oh and the record option didn't appear until later (a little before tag team ability).

am i the only one to remember that we were like 1000 users back then and that about 500 of them were HADOKEN HAPPY THROWERS ?

and am i the only to remember that lag was 10x times stronger then it is now ?

come on, tarkan !
back then, i had fought about 25 opponents including yourself, and on that, only you actually used hand to hand combat !
that's why i didn't play that much back then cause skills were non existent !

i was playing back in september 2001, the first thing i knew, i was beaten up by people that only did hadokens all over the place while disappearing from one side to the other and before i had to turn around the already were appearing in the next side of the screen !

as far as STRATEGIES are concerned, hadokens happy throwers had always existed and they kinda were a lot more back then cause we didn't have that much peoples to play the game... you think its a shame to have a ratio of about 1:25 fight that good ? think again, that ratio didn't change one bit from the time being. the only thing that changed is the number of people playing the game !

half of the community is hadoken happy throwers while the other half are actually fighting hand to hand. it didn't changed from back then. except that back then, we were only a 1000, now we are 300000 !

so i say its just nrmal that you think you see a difference, but i don't see it ! back then or today, people like fear tetsuo kept on firing those hadokens all the times !

so whats the point of this? you cant complain about someone being cheap,
in real life, cheaters really exist, the idea is HOW YOU DEAL WITH THEM...

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]am i the only one to remember that we were like 1000 users back then and that about 500 of them were HADOKEN HAPPY THROWERS ?

and am i the only to remember that lag was 10x times stronger then it is now ?

come on, tarkan !
back then, i had fought about 25 opponents including yourself, and on that, only you actually used hand to hand combat !
that's why i didn't play that much back then cause skills were non existent !

i was playing back in september 2001, the first thing i knew, i was beaten up by people that only did hadokens all over the place while disappearing from one side to the other and before i had to turn around the already were appearing in the next side of the screen !

as far as STRATEGIES are concerned, hadokens happy throwers had always existed and they kinda were a lot more back then cause we didn't have that much peoples to play the game... you think its a shame to have a ratio of about 1:25 fight that good ? think again, that ratio didn't change one bit from the time being. the only thing that changed is the number of people playing the game !

half of the community is hadoken happy throwers while the other half are actually fighting hand to hand. it didn't changed from back then. except that back then, we were only a 1000, now we are 300000 !

so i say its just nrmal that you think you see a difference, but i don't see it ! back then or today, people like fear tetsuo kept on firing those hadokens all the times ![/quote]
and another thing i dont see why they made the option for players. i no some people dont have emails to register or anything. both thos f####n homo's come on the site then they choose a person to piss off then they go somewhere else on the site and find another person to piss off :angryfire:

I know how you guys feel, I too also remember it back then.
only 3 characters, RYU CHUN-LI and the Wolv. it didn't matter who you pick, what matters is what you can do with that character, and I don't mean just fireballs. But I did hate the lag. I'd do a 99 hits combo on a person and he didn't lose not one drop of health. I'd out smart him, beat him, do constant combos on him, but he never died until he did all his stuff and killed me. That still happens now.

Nowadays, the only way to deal with ##### is be spidey or chunli. With spidey you do a web ball, because the web ball recover time is faster than the hadoken, then follow up with the spdey kick. With Chun-li, do the fireball super and it with overcome the fireball.

it was best in like jan...to april

when the game was onwed by people like


darkvirus
dany
pip99
ecw
_FIGHTER_
nferno666
nightcrawler7
blaze985
skeevis
yourassismy
ether
coolkilla
afterburner
thelegacyweapon
dam carlmarx
tj.
vipernightgerm
MvCsucks (twat)
rs4ever
thenuge..



loads more i could do that losut 4 ever....when every1 new each other and when every1 went for rank..i remember when i got into the top 20...i was proper chuffed.And when i beat some1 good you actually got a lil rush.Back then i was a full on ryu user anyway

I was tutored, somewhat... My friend(in real life) told me some of Ryu's moves, I was never tutored in the game, but I did get some tactical strategies from fellow members.


What am I bitching about? I didn't ask for anything.

Are you saying the majority we fought are poorly skilled? And then you're leaning on to saying that we were rank hungry(just a guess). What about the actually good users. The best vs the best, the underdogs at it with eachother, the titans, what about them?

You're right, it doesn't take a genius, but you also have to know the game, not the engine, etc.. but you have to knwo strategies, and those strategies, you have to counter with other strategies, and it goes on.

Everyone is a hadouken happy thrower, but those(we) people had other stratgies than that.

I'm not sure about that... game specs, yeah, I guess, but IMO, the lag is stronger now than back then. Do you remember April 2002, when 4 player came out? In one day, this is how many of the greats appeared to be.

Before 4P
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After 4P
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Bah... useless info...

Like an ancient chinese proverb says... You have to seek further to find what you desire.

There was a technique called super jumping... you could do it a billion times... use it!

I don't knwo where you got 1:25 from, but you're way off! Have you seen Cyclops? Spider Man? Wolverine? and of course Ryu/Evil Ryu? Repetitive move, repetitive move, repetitive move, super, repeat, thats how ALMOST every game goes now adays. There was more hand to hand combat back then than now, and some helpers were actually useful before they got screwed (Spiral, Guile).

I assume you mean october Fear, he was a ####ie back then, he was learning, he has gotten much much better, and I tell you that he doesnt throw hadoukens all the time, or he wouldn't have won ToC3.

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"][/quote]
can't you just say that it didn't change from then and now ?
do you really see the difference that much ?
i sure don't see any difference except that in that time we were about 1000 while today we are 200000 more then before ! that's a lot of people you know, the difference is enormous. yet, the hadoken throwers didn't change from back then. half of use today is doing that stupidity thinking its the only to win a fight ! half of the 1000 back then had the same mind ! the only thing that makes you think there are more now a days, is that number of people ! since there is way more people then back then, you seem to have seen the problem getting bigger ! which it hasn't !

those i fight now a days, are less hadoken throwers then anyone i have fought back then !
its all a about how you see it !

can't say cause your stats doesn't mean anything to me !
never liked tiers (don't need to explain why)

all i'm gonna say is... from day one, i'm probably one of the few that even thou i have changed computers, i still had the very same OLD PHONE MODEM that is a stupid 33,600bps ! that's really old you know !

so i say that if players like myself that played all the time with that kind of modem have really really seen a very very big difference in lag ! hell, for once i had recently a real match with a ping under 100 at all time ! which back then i couldn't even have a fight under 3000 !

if that means lag is worst then how come the opponent never really teleported for the whole match ?
this adding to the fact that TMYAPP as one of the worst modem ever to play with his very own game !
if he says there is really a difference in lag and that it is a lot lesser then it was, then i'm gonna say that is must be true !

[sarcasm]REALLY ![/sarcasm]
sorry, but i knew that game quite some times even before i was playing this online game, but if i knew, i was sure that others were too, that's why most of the people were super jumping all the time blasting thru the air at all time !

the lag was the biggest monster ever in this game back then.
cause of it you couldn't block, you couldn't know where everything was coming from, you couldn't tell what was your energy level, you couldn't prevent anything ! you had to ANTICIPATE what your ennemy would do, which is impossible since when you fight 1000 people for the first time, you don't even stand a chance because you don't know them !

why did you think HELPERS were asked in the first place, cause nothing could be donme to avoid a super since when it appeared it was already over ! now we don't have that problem anymore, the SYNC SUPER option is there to fix that problem !

the super jump lock was added because there was actually too many players that were super jumping all the times adding in lag a lot ! (thou i doubt it, never really seen a difference in lag if i super jumped) anyway... if that lock was in, it was because mainly all the users were using the super jump ! so why was it a great escape move if everyone was super jumping all the time ?


forget about the 1:25 ratio, it was meaning 1 fight out of 25 is actually good !
characters aren't cheap, the users are, if the users are over using those moves, then it is your job to find a way to block and keep close to em ! if i can do that easily, i guess you can too !

as for the helpers, yeah i agree, guile was faster back then, now it just takes forever to come out. spiral was kind of good when it first came out, but now she's almost helpless, and i also remember the sentinel (damn your red one) it was pretty good as ANTI-AIR move ! but its back then ! can't live with that #### in my head ! you gotta let it go sometimes !

never fought him back then and i never fought him today...
one quetion... if he is that good and fight more close range, then why is he claiming that hadokens are the only way to beat someone in this game ?

Thank you very much pip :D and mvc2sucks was indeed one of those...hehehe.

Tark: yee-haw! wel Me guess dat make me dumb bcuz udder dan wen 4 plaier wuz put in,,,,,lag have impruveded a lot . uh-huh!


Tark I dont get it why do you even post or hang around if you dislike the game so much nowadays ??? . Im not even going to go into what I think. I will say this however I find it amusing that someone is talking about how things are now...when they hardly ever play.

One more thing...You know it's funny I have been active since I started (a concept that it hard to grasp for some vets) and i have had my share of up's and down's BUT, I kept myself at a certain level why is that so hard for some ppl?. When this is all said and done the greats will be looked upon as the best EVER not the best in the first year the game was up when most ppl were #####.

Hmmm let me see who would I consider to be better:

Someone who had a great record when the game was brand new and had limited characters?

or

Someone who has been through all the updates, all the madness and all the characters (up to now) and can still bring it!

Hmmm I dunno tark says im dumb so Ill have to go with the first one :p

Im sorry I had to quote it...there are not many times where I feel tark said something that just sounds silly but, there it is. I gotta ask one question tark....what the heck else do you expect?...hehehe



Edited By VIRUS on May 14 2003 at 13:43

:angryfire: :angryfire:

You can buy a VIP membership but that doesn't mean yoru a true HIGH POWERED ORIGINAL like me, the supreme master UMJ who has been here since the beginning!

UMJ IS BACK BITCHES!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:angryfire: :angryfire:

Who you talkin' to ?....cuz I didnt buy a V.I.P membership I donated before perks so your arse has a place to return and make dumb arse post like "im back".

i did the same but this time i donated almost 25 dollars to this game to help out. i donated to see if i could make something different or help out tmyapp.

[quote:post_uid0="Resident Evil"]i did the same but this time i donated almost 25 dollars to this game to help out. i donated to see if i could make something different or help out tmyapp.[/quote]
if u paid 25 doallars then did you get more things resident evil

ok... u know whats the real physical difference?

- i used to sweat my back off playing this game when im fighting one of the greats (top 10 usually) cuz u always have to be active, one wrong move and ur dead. now, i dont break no sweat whippin the chumps, and it only takes time when they get cheesy

- remember dxzero (3-8fps max)? mvc2sucks? manontherun? fear_tetsuo? token? etc. (no offense to the vets) well... its like fighting them all the time (laggy as hell) now. since they are great players, they have the lag advantage in their hands, they know what u might see, and what u might not, and its very hard to land something on them, and thus they are harder to be beaten as to every cheesy lagger out there (no offense again) but its true.

- remember ryu/wolvy corner traps? well u dont have to corner them anymore! with cycs opticblast, sentinal beams, wolvy drill claw, etc. it can be possible to perform a barrage of offense with these evil doers anywhere in the screen! =]

- how many bugs arrived after all these updates?

- unable to move during a super move performed by the opponent? too bad, guess u'll have to wait till they recover from attacking.

thats pretty much the major points um i dont know why i said that but just to tell u what i think is wrong.

he was a prick and will always be a prick.


and dxzero ....and yeah its true...back then i could beat vipernightgerm..(killer lagger) with 3 ryu specials..NOW...it would take .....atleast 8 in 1 round...i mean have u played da vipa..i recorded a game..in which i did 12 specials just 2 win a round?And then u twats call me skilless for using sent smuck i can use ryu....i used 2 only use ryu and a lot of people would know that.##### are beating good people because of lag not skill.But the real laggers back then had a MAJOR advantage...and they still do know..just more killer laggers.

i have sumthing to say about logan.

i getting sick and tired of these pple who bullpoop about how i suck with wolverine when i lose. dubya tee eff is jumping in the air, backing up, hitting high punch? then doing 2 or 3 supers?

look at this if u will.

example

eyo commented: my strategy works.
lightbringer, who i fought, commented about his super jumps: nothing wrong with a few super jumps.

few huh? it was done the entire match. and when i almost had him the 2nd round, his laggy ass did sum rapid movement from me and did killer instict 3x.

the only person i see some hellraising in is da_realX. and he knows how to bring da damn pain.

a while back, italy was just like eyo. he tried to prove me wrong, and it worked, the recorded game is no good now.

really now, i see alot of abuse with logan. and more pple here are starting to use him too?

[quote:post_uid0="SolidSnake76"]i have sumthing to say about logan.

i getting sick and tired of these pple who bullpoop about how i suck with wolverine when i lose. dubya tee eff is jumping in the air, backing up, hitting high punch? then doing 2 or 3 supers?

look at this if u will.

example

eyo commented: my strategy works.
lightbringer, who i fought, commented about his super jumps: nothing wrong with a few super jumps.

few huh? it was done the entire match. and when i almost had him the 2nd round, his laggy ass did sum rapid movement from me and did killer instict 3x.

the only person i see some hellraising in is da_realX. and he knows how to bring da damn pain.

a while back, italy was just like eyo. he tried to prove me wrong, and it worked, the recorded game is no good now.

really now, i see alot of abuse with logan. and more pple here are starting to use him too?[/quote]
...how do u record games?

Yea the old days weer sweet....I had to learn from Optimusprime. He helped me he trained me and I was so rank hungry...I fought everything and everyone till i was like rank 16-20...I was happy then I stopped playing for a while.I came back and I dont have those skillz anymore. I was so hungry that in liek 4 days of me playing i was top 20. Well anyway those days are gone.