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I played a few matches with and I made up a list, which characters have an advantage or dis advantage against eachother(I thank Tupac for the matches)
Remember, that the matches are out of 10, So If it says Cyclops has an 8 on Sentinel, that means he'd win Sentinel 8 out of 10 times. This List is made up by if two great players fought eachother without helpers 1 on 1(no tag). Ry- Ryu Wv- Wolverine Ch- Chunli Sn- Sentinel Cy- Cyclops On- Onslaught Sm- Spider man Ry Wv Ch Sn Cy On Sm Ry \ 8 8 9 7 3 2 Wv 2 \ 4 8 5 2 3 Ch 2 6 \ 10 3 7 2 Sn 1 2 0 \ 0 8 6 Cy 3 5 7 10 \ 9 3 On 7 8 3 2 1 \ 9 Sm 8 7 8 4 7 1 \ Agree, Disagree? I need as many opinions. |
Tarkan make a tournmanet i will JOIN!
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[quote:post_uid0="Bunmi"]Tarkan make a tournmanet i will JOIN![/quote]
<font color="blue">This isn't a tournament.. |
...I don't understand how you came up with that data. Did you just guesstimate the numbers? Did you fight tupac to come up with those numbers?
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[quote:post_uid0="DanYankees"]...I don't understand how you came up with that data. Did you just guesstimate the numbers? Did you fight tupac to come up with those numbers?[/quote]
Dan: I didn't guessimate, and it wasn't just fighting tupac to come up with the numbers. I researched some fights by watching them, and people with high level(and at the same) skill fight eachother. |
[quote:post_uid0="Bunmi"]Tarkan make a tournmanet i will JOIN![/quote]
lol |
that's a lotta of reading, Tark.
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those are very valuable data ..
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but still...
i continue to think it is always the player who decide the outcome of the fight, not the character ! those don't calculate the human physiologie and chances. sometime the person is just lazy, other time they have PERSONNAL problem and they just play it straigh without even knowing what they are doing. and sometime they are like puching button at random and wins by a perfect. some other time they are playing their best but still lose cause of lag. so my opinion is that those calcs are only true cause of the lag, which mean without lag, those wouldn't be acurate. so i say... NAHH ! i don't care about those. they won't just tell whos better in the game ! |
those stats aren't that bad... but by the looks of them (excluding the boss) you have only two "good" characters... Ryu (which everyone loves) and Spider-Man (the one almost everyone said would SUCK ) :biggrin:
... just pointing out the obvious... |
[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]Ry- Ryu
Wv- Wolverine Ch- Chunli Sn- Sentinel Cy- Cyclops On- Onslaught Sm- Spider man Ry Wv Ch Sn Cy On Sm Ry \ 8 8 9 7 3 4 Wv 2 \ 4 8 5 2 2 Ch 2 6 \ 10 3 7 2 Sn 1 2 0 \ 0 8 6 Cy 3 5 7 10 \ 9 3 On 7 8 3 2 1 \ 9 Sm 6 8 8 4 7 1 \[/quote] TarkanX, this is some what good information,but your not average so it's not completely valid.From your information I've concluded this. Ryu=Doesn't own Spiderman and Onslaught. Wolverine=Cyclops is his equal,doesn't own Spiderman and Onslaught,Ryu. ChunLi=Doesn't own Ryu,Cyclops,Spiderman Sentinel=Owns Onslaught and kinda owns Spiderman. Cyclops=Equal to wolverine, doesn't own Ryu,Spiderman. Onslaught=Doesn't own Sentinel,Cyclops,ChunLi. Spiderman=Doesn't own Sentinel,Onslaught.Kinda owns Ryu. Ok TarkanX, you and Tupacwestsider seem to specialize in different characters...I recall you even stating that you don't enjoy playing with ChunLi.Perhaps this may have effected the results. I know you own with sentinel and Ryu.Thoe results are perhaps correct.Maybe you should find members that are masters...of those certain characters. |
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karma: What the hell is your problem with tiers, tiers represent the truth. Look if 2 people had the same skill level in MvC2, one chooses cable, and the other chooses ryu, who do you think will win? Cable(you can't deny it). That's how tiers are, they stack up the good characters from the bad or average ones. Quote:
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I don't need to find the masters of each individual characters. I know the characters strategy(almost learned spider man), I can use it in battle(but my SOB computer blocks me from doing so). Most of the "masters" don't even know the fullest strategy for a charcater, some only use one strategy, for example, Ryu: hadouken, hadouken, hadouken, jump hadouken, super jump, hadouken(charges meter), shinkuu hadouken. Wolverine: Drill Claw, Drill Claw, Drill CLaw, slide, slide, slide, slide, berserker Barrage, BBX Chunli: lightning kick Cyclops: optic blast, optic bast, optic blast, mega optic blast Onslaught: charges at opponent, super beam Spider Man: web ball, web ball, maximum spider |
has any1 been playing the game recnetly
SPIDER MAN OWNZ ALL.. ??? its fliped up bad and the table mean nout...sentinel beat cyclops 8 times out of 10..no no no.. personally the game was fine until spiderman came along.. Quote:
http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/wrestlemania.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/danyankees.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/nferno.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/darklink.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/coolkilla.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/haohmuru2.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/JR.GIF all of these are sentinel v ryu.... RYU does NOT own sentinel.. |
that's where your worng pip...sure they might beat some but not all of us
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im just sayin ryu doesnt own sentinel at all..as everythinks ryu does
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I DISAGREE WITH THE FACT SENTINEL ONLY SLIGHTLY OWNS SPIDEY LOL
WHO U KIDDING THE DAY A SENTINEL USER EVEN A MASTER CAN TAKE ME DOWN ILL EAT MY HAT EVERY ONE TRYS SENTINAL VS MY SPIDEY SECOND I DUCK BELOW BUILD UP MY BAR AND THATS IT 2 OR 3 ULT1MATE SPIDERS AND SENTINEL IS DEAD HES USLESS VS SPIDEY THINK U CAN PROVE ME WRONG MESSAGE ME WITH A DATE :buttrock: IN 6 HOURS IVE GONE ON MY NEW NAME FROM RANK 8000 AND SMTING TO RANK 9 THAT SAYS A LOT FOR SENTINELS ABILTY VS SPIDEY I.E HE HAS NONE |
Tarkan high skill level as in tier 1 or high skill level as in tier 1 and 2?
TMyApp--Spider man rocks, Ryu sucks. |
i think EVERYONE is looking at it the wrong way. you look at the chars from the left. look at it like this.
T U P A C A R K A N your all looking at it back to front. the ones on the left side down, then looking accross. if you get what i mean lol |
[quote:post_uid8="DanYankees"]TMyApp--Spider man rocks, Ryu sucks.[/quote:post_uid8]
I Guess its how you are with the character cuz Im best with ryu and suck with spidey. |
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Sentinels rockets own spider man. Spider man is almost always in the air, and so Sentinel hits him out. Also, Spidey isn't good in up close battles. Quote:
Okay, do you want to know how I got those match-ups? I'll tell you character by character. Ryu vs Wolverine: Ryu can play keep away all day, and run away, but all Wolverine has to do is get inside, and BBX Ryu. It's hard to connect, but it's about chance. Ryu vs Chunli: Same with Ryu vs Wolverine, Chunli can only do one thing in this match, and that's lightning kick, its hard to connect it, but if it connects, She gets a good upper hand. Ryu vs Sentinel: All Ryu has to do is get up close, and it's over. Sent has very limited options against Ryu. Ryu vs Cyclops: Cyclops keep away doesn't prevent Ryu from winning. Ryu could just get up close, but sometimes, Cyclops can keep away, and when Ryu gets close, he can play run away, which is a pain. Ryu vs Onslaught: Onslaught wins this fight, All ONslaught has to do is charge, and use his anti air move. Ryu can't play up close, or keep away, he doesn't have many chances, but if he can connect a hurricane kick super, he can have it in the bag. Ryu vs Spiderman: Ryu gets beat. Due too Spider senses, Spider man can counter Ryu's supers. Spider man can stay in the air all day, and keep hitting Ryu from there. Ryu's anti-air can stop him, but it shouldn't be abused. Wolverine vs Chunli: It goes either way, which chunli having the advantage. It's who ever connects their move wins. Chunli has more options than Wolverine, so Chun wins. Wolverine vs Sentinel: Wolverine easily beats Sentinel. Sentinel can onyl Rocket punch, and that's it. Run Away can work with Sent, but Wolverine is fast, so he can just catch up to him. BBX owns him. Wolverine vs Cyclops: People might be going bonkers why I said 5-5. Well, it's pretty easy. Cyclops just does optic blasts, but that's easy pickings for Wolvie. He can Slide, then do a BBX which deals about 60% on Cyke. Since Cyke only stays in one place(doing projectiles),, it's easy for Wolvie. Wolverine vs Onslaught: Onslaught just keep charging at Wolvie, and using keep away, WOlvie can't do much unless he gets up close, then it's BBX. Wolverine vs Spider man: Spider man can keep Wolvie at bay with Web Sting super, but If Wolvie connects a BBX, say good bye to 90% of Spider mans life. Chunli vs Sentinel: Chunli lightning kicks Sentinel, and it's all over, Sentinel can't do anything, especially with Chunli's triple jump. Chunli vs Cyclops: CYclops just optic blast Chunli out of the air, it's hard for Chunli to get off her lightning kick trap. Chunli vs Onslaught: Chunli can just triple jump over Onslaughts Anti-air super, and then lightning kick from there, Onslaught has some chances to counter, but Chunli has the edge. Chunli vs Spider man: It's hard for Chunli to get the lightning kick on Spider man, since he's so fast, and Spider man can just hit her out of the air with his 2 supers. Sentinel vs Cyclops: Sentinel has no chance period, Cyclops can just fireball him and then super all day. Sentinel vs Onslaught: One of Sentinel's few win match ups. Sentinel can just keep blasting Onslaught(with HP). Sentinel vs Spider Man: Sentinels rockets help beat Spider Man. Spider Man is always in the air, so Sentinel htis him out of there, and Spider Man isn't so good on ground matches. Cyclops vs Onslaught: Cyclops can just optic blast onslaught all day. Cyclops vs Spider Man: Cyclops can hit spider man out of the air, but SPider man Can get a bit up close, and do his various supers, it's not that hard. Onslaught vs Spider Man: easy match for Onslaught. Maximum Spider doesn't work, and Onslaught can just hit spider man out fo the air. Onslaught can do his ramming move, and take of chunks of Spider Man's life. Spider Man takes damage too poorly. |
Tarkan, your getting on my nerve with your ####### tiers !
there is no such things like that ! you know how PROBABILITIES are working... every single character has a chance to win against everyone, it all depend on how you play the char ! example: your the best with cable i'm the best with SERVBOT and still i always kick your butt ! what does that mean ? that you are weaker then me. and when i go against TMYAPP i always lost to his CYCLOPS what does that mean, he is better then me. even thoo your always talking about BEST OF BEST in that char. those are simply none existant ! we always find someone better then us with a certain char and we certainly always find someone better then us in general. that's how the human is achieveing things by getting competition ! there is no THIS CHARACTER IS STRONGER CAUSE HE'S FIRST TIER ! cause there is no tiers existing, your basing your things on stupid probablities that change all the time, which means your tiers are just a delyusion made by you to try and see who is better in game ! i have never believe in a TIER like things because the games aren't played by the character but by us, human. which means we all make mistake, even the best of the best does ! so those TIERS like you call them are nothing more then probable numbers that happen to repeat themself more often then the other numbers ! that is the only truth in games ! |
Tarkan you know your statistics are wrong the only way you can get those answers is if both players are masters of all those characters :angry: if they are then i'll agree if there not then those are wrong statistics. :laughlong:
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AND WILL EVERY1 STOP THE BULLCRAP SPIDERMAN OWNZ ALL!! i havnet lost game..spiderman v any charecter excluding spiderman.... ..............breath in...breath out..hes wrecked game.. |
[quote:post_uid0="pip99"]has any1 been playing the game recnetly
SPIDER MAN OWNZ ALL.. ??? its fliped up bad and the table mean nout...sentinel beat cyclops 8 times out of 10..no no no.. personally the game was fine until spiderman came along.. Quote:
http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/wrestlemania.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/danyankees.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/nferno.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/darklink.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/coolkilla.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/haohmuru2.GIF http://www.boomspeed.com/pip99/JR.GIF all of these are sentinel v ryu.... RYU does NOT own sentinel..[/quote] huh ?i played u..or u probably faced one of my friends..f00l |
i rock with spiderman and ryu always know how to pull off a shinkuu when needed aha :alien:
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wow. you can pull of a shinkuu hadoken. your so advanced. :plain:
by the way if ppl aer to dumb that was sarcasm lol |
LOL! :laugh:
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i agree with tarkan 90%
SSJKarma: you should go to some of those mvc2 tournaments, the top players are always the ones who use magneto, sentinel and cable. why? cause they(the characters) have the highest tier. |
forget that bullpoop named TIERS ! its just fpor those who want tpo win so badly that they need to do PROBABLILTIES to know with which persons they have the best chance to win with !
seriously, then why adding different chars in a game if those that really are always taken are the top tiers ? if its so then just dop a simple game that will include TOP TIERS charcaters ! can't you understand that ? its called probablities and mankind have proven lots of time that probablities aren't the best way of winning ! its all just a matter of chance ! you could be the master of the universe and still get beaten by a child who is only able tpo mash at the buttons, cause of what ? a simple mistake you did ! we all do mistakes and no one and i will say it in big bold letter. <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>NO ONE IS THE BEST</span> we will always find someone better then us and we will always make mistake during a fight, which means those TIERS will never be exacts as they are based on probablilities that change all the times ! now stop that bullpoop of tiers cause all they induce is confusion. for my part i think TarkanX started that bullpoop just to get magneto in ! as for spiderman being a jerk ? well, now chunli as a rival ! as for sent not being able to kill ryu users in close range fights ! then fight me TarkanX you'll see how i can kick butt in close range with sent. know why, because i am a good fighter in close range ! |
Karma: For being 22, you act like your 15.
If tiers didn't exist, the games would be more fun, I agree. But tiers do exist. It's like saying in MvC2, Cable gets owned by Ryu when the 2 people are the best users in the game with those characters. I always wanted Magneto. Magneto most likely wouldn't be top tier in this game(maybe hyper grav will be good), but I always wanted Magneto. |
tiers is not something that was started by tarkan x to get magneto in. it is a fact that is recognized most of the people who regularly participate in fighting game tournaments.
no body said that anyone was the best. some of us are just saying that tiers are a factor in a match between two people, who make the same amount of mistakes, who have the same skill level. the only reason fighting games have a variety of characters with different tiers cause that's what makes up a fighting game. having all the characters at the same tier takes out the fun of a fighting game(it'd be like saying that there should be only one religion and culture in the world). when game developers made fighting games, they made it so that some characters are stronger but slower and some that are faster but weaker. some are strong and fast. those characters who have a balance of everything are considered top tier and those that are least balanced are considered low tier. there's more of a variety in fighting potential of characters in fighting games so that it is more fun to play. |
you just say it by yourself PRINCE !
THE GAME IS BALANCED ! if someone #is actually faster but have less strengh then a certain character, is he becoming WEAKER then the other ? no, because he is still faster ! all characters have strengh and weaknesses... but to some of you, some character (the one you consider top tiers) are just plain old perfect and have no weaknesses ! that's what i based myself on... just a question... have you ever seen a HERES THE CHARACTER CLASSED BY TIERS on CAPCOM web site ? or anywhere else that capcom could have said it ? no, becuase TIERS aren't made by capcom, it has been made by some jerks who wanted to lose time in TRYING to figure out what charcater was better by doing probablities ! yeah tiers exist, but are they really that true ? my answer, no ! because they are based on probabilities and again, those are constantly changing. so why would cable be better if all he can do is being a CHEAP ASS with his almighty VIPER CANON ? admit it... can you really compare CLOSE RANGE FIGHTERS to LONG RANGE ONE ? go ahead, compare this to see... RYU vs CABLE RYU owns cable in close range, but cable owns ryu in long range ! does that mean cable is better ? no, its just that he has a different style and it all depe4nds on the player who by the way makes mistake, so he cannot be called the best as doing a major mistake isn't out of the question ! |
[quote:post_uid0="TMyApp"]Spider-Man (the one almost everyone said would SUCK ) :biggrin:[/quote]
lol spiderman does suck |
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ahh the bitching
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pip is annoying ???
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he is he really is
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with sent the only people that can beat him easily r ryu and wolverine since they do a lot of damadge at close range
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