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Virtual Fighter 01-01-2005 11:32 PM

Here's the facts:

Number of deaths due to four Florida hurricanes in 2004: 117
Number of deaths due to Aceh earthquake and tsunami in 2004: 120,000+
Homeless due to Florida hurricanes: 11,000
Homeless due to Aceh earthquake/tsunami: 5,000,000
US government aid to help Florida hurricane victims: $2.04 billion
US government aid to help Aceh earthquake/tsunami victims: $35 million
Estimated cost of George bush's upcoming inaguration celebration, not including security costs: $40 million
US government direct cost, per hour, of the US war in Iraq: $9 million


Is the USA not doing enough for these 5,000,000 left homeless and those 150,000+ dead in asia?

1025 times more died in the asia tragedy.

The US government gave 57 times more money to the victims in florida.

Doesn't that seem the least bit unfair?

I could begin to find the amount of money the US government gave to 911 victims, but it would be too much work.

KenDaShoto 01-01-2005 11:42 PM

that is sad that they wont help more and that they are spending more money on a damn party then on millions of people left without homes
Florida could be in some understanding because theyre taking care of the home team but the money on that damn party just pisses me off
where did u get the info from a site of from doin a bit of reseach on each topic and if its a site mind givin it to me

Zpower 01-01-2005 11:43 PM

Im not really into politics, the whole conspiracy thing ect.. ect.. Though wouldnt it seem logic to give more money to these people in Asia. Just goes to show how cruel the world has become. I try to look at it this way. If this had happen to us, then I would hope most of the rich countries would lend a helping hand. but anyways this kind of stuff is always two sided and I dont like debating lol.. Also I have done absolutely no research on the topic so.. I'll stay out from any heated debates.. waste of my time anyways debating on subject such as this.



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akuma_forever 01-01-2005 11:44 PM

That does seem a bit unfair.. However, the way I see it, it is not the US's responsibility to take care of other countries, it's that country's responsibility. Now I'm not saying to screw over those people, but they should look to their own country for help. but I do think the US should donate alittle more...

Virtual Fighter 01-01-2005 11:50 PM

It isn't the US's responcibility to take care of other countries?

We've invaded country after country, INCLUDING IRAQ for the "saftey and well being of their people".

but when it comes to giving money for a tragedy, we are a little short.


I mean, look at this statistic:

US government aid to help Florida hurricane victims: $2.04 billion (as in $2,040,000,000
US government aid to help Aceh earthquake/tsunami victims: $35 million (as in $35,000,000)



That's a $2,005,000,000's for 119,883 less dead victims.




Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1104652291

KenDaShoto 01-01-2005 11:50 PM

yea i see what ur sayin but the prob wit that is that the countries affected are very poverty stricken places so looking to their own country is pretty much useless

just to specify my post was directed to the one before vf's but we posted around the same time and his came up before mine




Edited By KenDaShoto on 1104652303

akuma_forever 01-02-2005 12:02 AM

VF: I'm pretty sure it's not.. Although the US usually steps in anyway.

Ken: I know, and that's why I think the US should give some more.

DA_VIPA 01-02-2005 12:47 AM

u confuse me..america is famous for causing destruction all ova the world? you make it sound like america is the only country that can help ..i mean there are others. why dont u make a comparison with americas spending in contrast to the other countries then make the verdict of how much effort is being put in.

alamgir 01-02-2005 08:29 AM

[color=#000000]The british government alone has raised

DarkstriderX 01-02-2005 09:03 AM

America is still F'up why is bush in office again.. *sighs* heavily... bush is bad for america..

Angel-Eyes 01-02-2005 09:37 AM

35 million will buy SO SO much more stuff over in a 3rd world country than down in florida....

trust me, I have first hand experience



and I highly doubt that they will stop at the 35 million

alamgir 01-02-2005 10:02 AM

7.2 billion is the price of all the damage, many more people need food, shelter and medicine, America should give more.



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~Mastermax~ 01-02-2005 10:59 AM

this might sound cold, but maybe america isn't giving that much because it's not america that had the problem.
i mean it seems the government right now only cares about terrorism and there's no poseidon for bush to hunt for, and the economy is in the poopter still...

Virtual Fighter 01-02-2005 11:24 AM

Quote:

5 million will buy SO SO much more stuff over in a 3rd world country than down in florida....

trust me, I have first hand experience



and I highly doubt that they will stop at the 35 million
but we gave 2.04 BILLION to 117 people in florida, and are only giving 35 million to 150,000+ people in asia?

The numbers don't add up.
And it wasn't a third world, there were pure hotels there. That's why it was a prime turrist locaton and over 7,000 non-asian people are still dead of missing.

It just doesn't add up.

A little while ago they were only giving 3 million. Now, since all the chritisism form other countries and the UN they ten folded their price. but it's still not enough.

We waste more money killing people in iraq than we do saving people in asia. dubya tee eff is up with that?

Quote:

this might sound cold, but maybe america isn't giving that much because it's not america that had the problem.
i mean it seems the government right now only cares about terrorism and there's no poseidon for bush to hunt for, and the economy is in the poopter still...
We go into wars to save people, we kill our own to "save people", but when it comes to just giving money, we're always short.

We've got our priorities fliped up.

In bush's world, war is #1. Then the american economy. then eating. Then remodeling the white house. then, after like 50 more steps, then it gets to the sanctety of the world.

We can't be a nation of the world if we don't act like it.

Let's face it- america is the richest, most powerful country in the world. and yet, we act like not only do we not give a poop about it, we intend to make it more poopty.

It just doesn't add up. It's not fair.

~Mastermax~ 01-02-2005 11:35 AM

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Let's face it- america is the richest, most powerful country in the world. and yet, we act like not only do we not give a poop about it, we intend to make it more poopty.

It just doesn't add up. It's not fair.
[/quote]
actually according to recent evidnece the swiss are the richest, becauseduring the holocuast the nazi's took everything that the jews had as assests and put them into swiss bank accounts, then after WW2 they were able to keep it all...

KAYSER9SOZE 01-02-2005 11:41 AM

Man the u.s. no longer has the true capabilities of designating that much money to a seperate non-goverment disaster. The amount of money going into homeland security and the amount of money owed in imports from asia are sky high. Meaning that at the end of the day we are in the hole (red ink) in certain markets. Money of that kind of magnitude will nowbe designate to homeland issues. If it were a country that was in some sort of alliance or in a position for us to profit from yes we could do more. Unfortunately we are in a republican era and that's just not the republican way.

Virtual Fighter 01-02-2005 11:47 AM

Quote:

actually according to recent evidnece the swiss are the richest, becauseduring the holocuast the nazi's took everything that the jews had as assests and put them into swiss bank accounts, then after WW2 they were able to keep it all...
Yeah, but I mean, Switserland is a small country.

We're the richest in terms of poverty levels and numbers of people, I guess.

azncat 01-02-2005 12:49 PM

thats cause the government is corrupted. they need the money for themselves. theyre like the north koreans ... or was it south? w/e

Angel-Eyes 01-02-2005 12:58 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]the chritisism form other countries and the UN they ten folded their price. but it's still not enough.[/quote]
yes, and Im sure that every other country in the world is "out giving" us

Virtual Fighter 01-02-2005 02:50 PM

Quote:

yes, and Im sure that every other country in the world is "out giving" us
Any country who has any money.

So far japan is fliping us to the daylights. They've given 500 million.
and we're supposed to be the greatest nation on earth?

We gave florida victims 2.04 BILLION. and we can only scrumge our left overs for these 150,000 dead?

We're supposed to be the best nation in the world. We should start acting like it.

SolidSnake76 01-02-2005 03:41 PM

didnt the grinch rasie it up to 350million?

but see what this stupid war did? spent so much on iraq now we cant really help others out as they would expect.

island_chick 01-02-2005 07:02 PM

no thy shud be doing much more...ppl never really care unless it happens to them...i dont knw y ppl have to die just for a point to be proven_

_dmx_ 01-02-2005 10:08 PM

You guys love bashing america -_- i hope the peeople who leave here and talking about bush and america etc just leave. You guys love complaining you want US to spend money on this disaster then people complain about tax etc.=/

alamgir 01-03-2005 08:18 AM

[quote:post_uid0="_dmx_"]You guys love bashing america -_- i hope the peeople who leave here and talking about bush and america etc just leave. You guys love complaining you want US to spend money on this disaster then people complain about tax etc.=/[/quote]
We're not bashing america, we're just telling the truth. The USA is pretty much the world's richest country and is only donating 35m where as Japan are giving 500m, and the public alone here in britain are donating 60m now. America can spend money on wars, but when it comes to saving lives they're obviously not spending enough.

~Mastermax~ 01-03-2005 01:05 PM

ok why is this a fliping compition?

wow japan is spending more money for an incident closer to them, everybody sees america as the rich fliping country , when it's not, we have a rebuilding economy while japan is on top of the electronics world, shouldn't that mean something, and you damn british people are being very hypocriticle when you are spending a small amount too.

this money is a gift, if your picky about a gift then you shouldn't get a fliping gift, they should be thankful for the money they got from us already, and yes i say us, because it's taxpayer money, not oil money or anything...

_dmx_ 01-03-2005 01:29 PM

^ That what i was thinking -_- people just love putting america in every little thing.

alamgir 01-03-2005 01:47 PM

[quote:post_uid0="_Mastermax_"]ok why is this a fliping compition?

wow japan is spending more money for an incident closer to them, everybody sees america as the rich fliping country , when it's not, we have a rebuilding economy while japan is on top of the electronics world, shouldn't that mean something, and you damn british people are being very hypocriticle when you are spending a small amount too. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.

this money is a gift, if your picky about a gift then you shouldn't get a fliping gift, they should be thankful for the money they got from us already, and yes i say us, because it's taxpayer money, not oil money or anything...[/quote]
Hey britain is paying more then twice the amount America is. And ok the donation is a gift but consider how much money the US spends on things like war. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.




Edited By alamgir on 1104789194

Angel-Eyes 01-03-2005 01:52 PM

I would guess that its not just cash that is being dontated by the US.....

I mean, every year literally tons ofuseless grain and wheat and stuff is just dumped into the ocean......im sure some of that was sent over.....along with other useful items other than money

(~thug~) 01-03-2005 02:45 PM

this courtry may deal with it problem in a werid way but it one of the best courtry out there with "freedom". well i don't really care about the money issue (don't pay rent). well it don't matter what we say it not going to change what they are doing :huh:

~Mastermax~ 01-03-2005 02:50 PM

[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"][quote:post_uid0="_Mastermax_@ Jan. 03 2005,9:05"]ok why is this a fliping compition?

wow japan is spending more money for an incident closer to them, everybody sees america as the rich fliping country , when it's not, we have a rebuilding economy while japan is on top of the electronics world, shouldn't that mean something, and you damn british people are being very hypocriticle when you are spending a small amount too. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.

this money is a gift, if your picky about a gift then you shouldn't get a fliping gift, they should be thankful for the money they got from us already, and yes i say us, because it's taxpayer money, not oil money or anything...[/quote]
Hey britain is paying more then twice the amount America is. And ok the donation is a gift but consider how much money the US spends on things like war. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.
[/quote]
still you can't ask for more money for you money...

Virtual Fighter 01-03-2005 06:01 PM

[color=#F87500]
Quote:

this money is a gift, if your picky about a gift then you shouldn't get a fliping gift, they should be thankful for the money they got from us already, and yes i say us, because it's taxpayer money, not oil money or anything...
you dare say these people should get the bare minimum of what we want? That

_dmx_ 01-06-2005 01:12 PM

[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"][quote:post_uid0="_Mastermax_@ Jan. 03 2005,9:05"]ok why is this a fliping compition?

wow japan is spending more money for an incident closer to them, everybody sees america as the rich fliping country , when it's not, we have a rebuilding economy while japan is on top of the electronics world, shouldn't that mean something, and you damn british people are being very hypocriticle when you are spending a small amount too. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.

this money is a gift, if your picky about a gift then you shouldn't get a fliping gift, they should be thankful for the money they got from us already, and yes i say us, because it's taxpayer money, not oil money or anything...[/quote]
Hey britain is paying more then twice the amount America is. And ok the donation is a gift but consider how much money the US spends on things like war. I'm not bashing america, all i'm trying to say is America should give some more money.
[/quote]
send more money.. you must think we are so damn kind to give 1 billion dollars. we pay taxes etc and we dont want that poop to be raised. Some soliders are helping out i think that settles it.

alamgir 01-07-2005 12:41 PM

I'm not blaming you americans, i'm just blaming the government. Nevertheless America can give as much as it wants, and I aint bothered to discuss this anymore.


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