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If you're planning on replying, first, read my replys on this topic before debating cause I'm not about to take another hour or two to "prove" my point.
I'm asking you [the person reading this], what's your oppinion on the subject? Should the US be allowed to run rampant with this power of policing the world? Is the corruption/abuse of this power worth the positive effects? *Note: This is not just about Iraq... this is about all the transgressions the US has caused other nations/nationalities of people and the ones it's doing right now. Edited By 2000warrior on Jan. 26 2003 at 17:02 |
When you say "allowed", what do you mean? What are we going to do to stop it :biggrin:
The US should really stop getting itself into other peoples business. Some major things that would really affect the world, like a re-run of Hitler in WWII, would be an exception. The more the US gets involved in foreign affairs, the more it wears its military out.. plus we earn that really good reputation we have with all these other countries :biggrin: |
yo scorp. i gotta agree with ya. the USA is always in anothers country's affairs. i see it like this. we should stop doing this because some of those same countries dont wanna help us. :angryfire:
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I'm all for it. 9/11 showed us that if we don't strike first, we'll be the ones being hit. And we only meddle in the affairs of other countries when their actions would threaten the US or our allies.
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[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]I'm all for it. 9/11 showed us that if we don't strike first, we'll be the ones being hit. And we only meddle in the affairs of other countries when their actions would threaten the US or our allies.[/quote]
i agree with Joe maybe we should strike first. if not we run the risk of being attacked and loosing some of our friends and family members to an attack that could have been prevented. |
2000warrior.....thank you for making an intelligent topic.
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i cant blame the US from becoming [b:post_uid8]WAR FREAKS[/b:post_uid8] since what happened to your country :plain:
but i think Bush should also consider other options like peace negotiations Bush simply wants the US to "personally" inspect Iraq if they're hiding weapons of mass destructions some speculations say that the [b:post_uid8]true hidden agenda[/b:post_uid8] for this is because you want to control Iraq's rich oil deposits personally, i think your country (US) has no every right to do this you self-proclaimed yourselves as INTERNATIONAL POLICE and bypassing the agreement of the UN nations if Bush would start the first strike on Iraq, many country would greatly be affected especially my country why? as a Filipino, many of my countrymen leave for other countries(like the middle east) to seek other source of income (working abroad) if this happens, many would suffer ECONOMICALLY!!! i cant blame other people (nations) if they want to bomb you! take for example my country (Philippines)... long before, US and Philippines made a US base agreement you guys settled in my country for almost 30 years (i think) this results to prostitution, AIDS infliction of many Filipina plus you AMERICANS contaminated my country with hazarduos radioactice chemicals!!!! :angry: many children sufferred from the effects of this and right my country is still negotiating to your country to clean your waste here but what did you guys reply??? I NEED EVIDENCE TO PROVE ITS HAZARDOUS!!! THAT'S BULL$HIT!!! <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>THAT'S WHY I CANT BLAME OTHER PPL (nations) IF THEY PLAN TO BOMB YOU AGAIN</span> you Americans are culpable for many sufferings of other people <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>im not being a racist, i too also wants peace in this planet</span> [color=red:post_uid8]you cannot correct a fault by another fault[/color:post_uid8] war is not the answer [i:post_uid8]***AMEN***[/i:post_uid8] :buttrock: |
us is just trieng to get oil as alwas
oil wil be gone in +- 20jears and befor when the us went "helping" a little country full of oil next to irak so simple that the us can have the price of oil cheaper in that country then any other so when there is oil the us helps but in kosovo there is no oil and of course the us did'nt help up to the european country's to do it. so i think amerika should shut up coze she says no massive destruction weapons anb who has nuclear bombs ready to trow??? the us as first victim japan so the us has toes weapons and the others can't obvius that the us or triyng tho have the most weapons of mass destruction so that probably reign over the world so now to first strike and the heck with bush not amerika coze i am not a racist only your president is a piece of....... and...... :angryfire: |
so ur saying ur from kosovo (kosova)
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no i live in belgium and i am portuguese
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I used to have this belief.
some countries attack places with a lot of civilians. my belief was to nuke them all. if bin laden hit the twin towers, then drop the nuclear bomb on their country. but no i dont think like that. but i still say that the USA is too soft in dealing with terrorest. |
Just a reminder (so people don't get off track too soon), this is about past "injusticies" as well as current ones, as bloodpack so well showed us.
Don't just focus on Iraq/the war with terrorism... Remember the benefits of ending the Japanese-Russo conflict, and the tragedies of the Philipine occupation. Edit: More replys then votes? Some people in indecision or w00t? :biggrin: Edited By 2000warrior on Jan. 27 2003 at 12:52 |
war is not the answer!! and im not american nor live ther but i beleive that the americans should strike 1st be4 iraq gets u
and the result of this war will backlash onto the allied countries that are located near iraq |
Anyone who thinks the US is in there because of oil doesn't have the slightest clue of what's going on. We first went into the Middle East during Operation: Desert STORM because Iraq invaded to try and take the oil for themselves. We are over there right now because we have an agreement that states that Iraq MUST let weapons inspectors into his country to make sure he's not hiding powerful weapons. We found out that he is. We discovered 11 empty warhead casings for chemical weapons. If the warheads are empty, where are the chemicals? Saddam is obviously hiding them from us, so he can plan to attack us. We have every right in the world to be over there right now. We're not there because of oil. We're not there because we're bullies. We're there because we want to protect the rest of the FREE world from a psycho leader named Saddam Hussein.
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heres a question
WHY DOES USA THINK THEIR TOTALLY THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]heres a question
WHY DOES USA THINK THEIR TOTALLY THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] Because we are. We have freedoms that other countries don't have. Overall, we're the best country in the world. We may not have the BEST economy, the BEST government, the BEST anything. But overall, we're the best. We take the time and get involved with important matters that could change the history of the world as we know it, and try and stop ruthless leaders from taking over the world. And what do we get? A bunch of kids on a XMvsSF forum who THINK they know what's going on in the world who get their information either from TV or their idiot parents coming here saying that the US should mind its own business, and defending Iraq, and such like this. |
sure then y do like 100 ppl get killed everyday
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[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]sure then y do like 100 ppl get killed everyday[/quote]
How do we kill 100 ppl every day? |
[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]sure then y do like 100 ppl get killed everyday[/quote]
100 people get killed every day? Be more specific. More than a hundred people get killed every day.. nothing new. |
What the hell are you two talking about?
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[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]What the hell are you two talking about?[/quote]
Trying to figure out what the heck coolplayer's point is |
coolplayer, what u said aint smart.
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-disease -convicts in another country on a killing spree. are u saying its america fault that AIDS kills pple in africa? that a typhoon killed 300 pple in india? a avalance in the himalays or the swiss alps killed over 150 pple? a mad man in china obtains a AK-47 and kills 75 pple in hong kong? is that what ur saying? |
ha! [b:post_uid13]nantuko![/b:post_uid13]
its you who dont have the slightest idea what your country's been doing to other countries!!! you know what make other contries pissed about yours? its your SELF RIGHTEOUS BEHAVIOUR!!! you americans always think that you're on the top of the game!!! you dont care about nothing to other peoples welfare!!! you americans always have HIDDEN AGENDAS!!! you dont help for FREEE!!! there's always something in return!!! :angry: about Iraq taking ownership of oil deposits of other countries... WRONG!!! they dont need to bcoz they have their own!!! and what did you say about you americans being the [b:post_uid13]best?![/b:post_uid13] HA! thats a clear demonstration that you are all pompous, highfalutin ppl who thinks youre the only sons of God!!! im not defending Iraq or Afghan im speaking on behalf of my people (philippines) its true you americans saved us from spanish occupation in the 18th to 19th century but what in return??? you colonized us!!! see what i mean? you dont help for FREE!!! there's always something in return!!! :angryfire: |
bloodpack: oh, so the US doesn't help anyone for free, we don't care about other ppls' welfare?
We rescued the remaining Jews from those Nazi bastards, and did we have any "hidden agendas?" No. Did we do it for free? Yes. Did we ask them for anything in return? No. Sounds kind of selfless to me. We went into Vietnam to stop the communists from overruning South Vietnam. Did we do it for free? Yes. Did we ask South Vietnam for anything in return? No. Did we have any "hidden agendas?" Nothing that the rest of the world didn't know about (we wanted to get rid of Communism). Sounds kind of selfless to me. Same thing with Korea, and look at them: they've got one of the best economies in the world. On Iraq: Actually, we launched Desert STORM to get Iraq OUT OF Kuwait/Saudi Arabia (one of those.) And they wanted their own oil sources to be the ONLY sources in the middle east...that's why they set the oil fields on fire when we kicked their asses out of there. |
america isnt the best in everything. joe. bloodpack.
i believe japan is the world leader in computer electronics and technology. besides, america is aint entirely free. infact, i dont think any country is. Oh hell no... no ####### racist comments in here. Edited By 2000warrior on Feb. 01 2003 at 16:23 |
[quote:post_uid0="bloodpack"]you dont care about nothing to other peoples welfare!!![/quote]
Double negative.. learn some English you Filipino. (Heh, I have Filipino blood too) So much stuff to read and answer after coming back from school in one day. |
if i dunno how to speak english, i wouldnt be here... :biggrin:
NANTUKO: tell me if you know our history about american colonization in my country... i knew it! no offense, but i think your DBZ/GT fantasies have clouded your view about reality :biggrin: the only reason why america helps, so that in the future they have a debt of gratitude to take back... btw, my father was a philcagv veteran (PHILIPPINE CIVIC ACTION GROUP IN VIETNAM) he knows better than any of you kids do... |
nantuko: you live in USA right ?
then why aren't you knowing your history ? * VIETNAM * it was a war against RUSSIA ! you had the SOUTH or north i can't really remember... the russian had the opposite place ! all that ####### war started cause YOU (US) STATED... US:"if you don't intevene then we won't either" RUSSIA:"that's fine with us" but russia broked the treaty by giving weapons to their part of the country, which you (US) decided to do the same with yours ! which ened by the GREAT war called VIETNAM ! FREE... i doubt it, you sacrificed how many lives just to make RUSSIA cry ? now... no, hidden agenda's still you forgot abour the COLD-WAR which was between you and the RUSSIAN again ! who got more BOMBS then the other ? the US, which i doubt you have all deleted because of that #### called HUMANITY ! it has been proven a lot in history by all your acts ! you even BETRAYED us CANADIAN ! what was it called again ? during WWII, NORMANDY (that's in french) you sent 45,000 canadian to face certain death because you knew it was a suicide mission and still you didn't want to lose your remaining troops so you sent our force to get massacred for you ! so if that is not SELFFISH then i am god himself ! now, stop bragging about how your country is GOOD in everything, cause i actually think your the worst country of them all ! and that's also true that AMERICANS always try to have the world at their services because your in AFFAIRS with ALL country that have a little interesting things like OIL and other natural ressources ! come on, i beg of you, give me some other SUPPOSED to be GOOD for other counrty that you actually SUPPOSED to have done for them not for you ! |
i supposed youre talking to nantuko? ???
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[quote:post_uid0="blossom"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]I'm all for it. 9/11 showed us that if we don't strike first, we'll be the ones being hit. And we only meddle in the affairs of other countries when their actions would threaten the US or our allies.[/quote]
i agree with Joe maybe we should strike first. if not we run the risk of being attacked and loosing some of our friends and family members to an attack that could have been prevented.[/quote] and what about the people living in the other country's?? they are thinking the exact same thing as you guys, we should attack first before they attack..... |
sadam and his organisation have 2 go down and fast a war is unavoidable but it must take place where there are no civilians or it ruins the 'just war' theory
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[quote:post_uid0="iTALY"][quote:post_uid0="blossom"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]I'm all for it. 9/11 showed us that if we don't strike first, we'll be the ones being hit. And we only meddle in the affairs of other countries when their actions would threaten the US or our allies.[/quote]
i agree with Joe maybe we should strike first. if not we run the risk of being attacked and loosing some of our friends and family members to an attack that could have been prevented.[/quote] and what about the people living in the other country's?? they are thinking the exact same thing as you guys, we should attack first before they attack.....[/quote] Because they attacked us first, and without ANY provocation. Therefore we went in and kicked their ass. But 9/11 showed us that if we don't attack first, we'll be hit again. We NEVER go in and blow up a country for no apparent reason. Therefore, unless they majorly piss us off, they don't have to worry. Iraq has majorly pissed us off. therefore, they've got to worry. And unless they pull off another suicide bombing in America, they can't hit us. |
[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]nantuko: you live in USA right ?
then why aren't you knowing your history ? * VIETNAM * it was a war against RUSSIA ! you had the SOUTH or north i can't really remember... the russian had the opposite place ! all that ####### war started cause YOU (US) STATED... US:"if you don't intevene then we won't either" RUSSIA:"that's fine with us" but russia broked the treaty by giving weapons to their part of the country, which you (US) decided to do the same with yours ! which ened by the GREAT war called VIETNAM ! FREE... i doubt it, you sacrificed how many lives just to make RUSSIA cry ? now... no, hidden agenda's still you forgot abour the COLD-WAR which was between you and the RUSSIAN again ! who got more BOMBS then the other ? the US, which i doubt you have all deleted because of that #### called HUMANITY ! it has been proven a lot in history by all your acts ! you even BETRAYED us CANADIAN ! what was it called again ? during WWII, NORMANDY (that's in french) you sent 45,000 canadian to face certain death because you knew it was a suicide mission and still you didn't want to lose your remaining troops so you sent our force to get massacred for you ! so if that is not SELFFISH then i am god himself ! now, stop bragging about how your country is GOOD in everything, cause i actually think your the worst country of them all ! and that's also true that AMERICANS always try to have the world at their services because your in AFFAIRS with ALL country that have a little interesting things like OIL and other natural ressources ! come on, i beg of you, give me some other SUPPOSED to be GOOD for other counrty that you actually SUPPOSED to have done for them not for you ![/quote] [color=green]Sorry for the double-post, but it was necessary. Actually, you moron, the RUSSIANS started it when they supplied weapons to North Vietnam to help them overthrow the democratic South Vietnam. The US went in to retaliate, to protect a democratic country. The US never started the war, you twit. and when we fought in Vietnam, we had NO HIDDEN agendas. The ENTIRE WORLD was aware of the Cold War. The ENTIRE WORLD was aware that we were in an arms race. It's not a "hidden agenda" if the rest of the world knows about it. AND ARE YOU A FRIGGING MORON? THE UNITED STATES ARMY WAS IN NORMANDY TOO, YOU FRIGGING ASSCLOWN! And of course, you're right. The US is the WORST country of them all. Because, you know, EVERYONE knows that we kill our own people testing weapons. Because EVERYONE KNOWS that we have governmental racism and discrimination. Because EVERYONE KNOWS that we are not free. You seriously ARE a moron, and should get yer ######## straight before you EVER participate in another political debate again. |
nantuko: you threaten me ?
go suck the dick of your ####### GOVERNMENT and start learning your history a little ! VIETNAM: yeah you didn't started it yeah, but you sure ended it without evenletting the ####### vietnam do his own things ! you and russia weren't even suppose to be in there but your ####### governement decided not to let the russian go ! but guess what the russian said too, that YOU WERE the ones that started it up ! for me there is no differences, BOTH of you shouldn't have done anything to "SUPOSEDLY" help them ! you caused a lot of innocent so does have the russian but do you really think your government care ? sorry to bring you back into reality... but your government is far from perfection ! don't have any HIDDEN AGENDA'S !?! don't make me laugh, are you working for the governement or something ? that's what i thought... how can you know there are none if you don't work and the president or even the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE doesn't even tell you anything ! be realistick nantuko all country have their hidden agenda and UNITED STATES doesn't do any exception ! if you knew they had hidden AGENDA'S would they still be hidden, think before saying stupidities like that ! and yeah, i had 95% in history when i learned it and yeah in normandy you 45,000 CANADIAN on the front to protect the US ARMY who was suppose to debark there too... you know how this ended (TOTAL SUICIDE) yeah, some US got killed, but you sended 3/4 of that same army that debarked there on a suicide mission. and how did your governement replyed to that situation... US:"we're so sorry for what hapenned if we knew we wouldn't have made that attack" but they simply said that and never did anything back for us ! even today's were suppose to be your allies and how do you treat us ? like we were nothing ! sorry, but i dislike that kind of acting and you know your country is doing it ! i understand that you take for your country, i admit that my country is far from perfection ! but you just talk your country was the best country of them, all and you never made mistakles or you never will do in the future sorry but that ####### war is probably the worst stupidity your country can do ! |
[quote:post_uid0="DA_VIPA"]sadam and his organisation have 2 go down and fast a war is unavoidable but it must take place where there are no civilians or it ruins the 'just war' theory
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Must take place in a place where there are no civilians? How pathetic. It might've at least sounded better if you would've put, "It would be better for not many civilians to die," but that still sounds stupid. You don't "arrange" war. "Just war" theory? |
Karma, how the fcuk was I threatening you, you paranoid son of a biotch? And learn to read my posts correctly: yer misinterpreting EVERYTHING I'm saying.
1.) Yeah, we were just gonna sit back on our asses and WATCH Russian communists overrun a free democratic nation? Are you mad? If you were the president at that time instead of JFK, you're saying you'd just let Communists overrun a Democratic nation? And we DID let Vietnam do its own thing after the war was over...the DEMOCRATIC Vietnam, not the COMMUNIST Vietnam. 2.) I never said America was PERFECT. I actually said that America was NOT perfect. Get yer ######## straight, you dumbass 3.) I never said America DOESN'T have hidden agendas. What I said was that America DIDN'T have hidden agendas DURING THE VIETNAM ERA! It helps if you actually READ my posts before submitting half-ass replies that make no sense, genious. 4.) Yes, we apologized. But what did you expect us to do for you? Raise them from the dead? The japanese bombed us, and we bombed them, and we're friends now. There's no more hostility between us anymore. 5.) Yeah...a war to oust a psycho dictator leader with nukes and biological and chemical weapons is "the worst stupidity my country could do." I strongly suggest you pull yourself out of the debate until one of the following happens: 1 - You pick up a book on US history...and read it 2 - You read posts before you reply to them, so I don't have to correct dumbass mistakes By the way, do you happen to listen to Rage Against the Machine? Anti Flag? Just wondering...maybe THAT'S the reason for your hatred of the US and your total disregard for the facts... |
diregard of the facts ?
see how stupid you were talking in the other thread about those nukes ! no i'm not listening to any musics ! MUSICS is MUSICS nothing more, it doesn't say a single thing about life ! facts, you want facts... VIETNAM : YOU vs RUSSIA both have been saying the other started it, so who helped who ? no, the US only wanted that DEMOCRATIC stays in place just to KEEP their ####### ADVANTAGE over the russian empire ! now, your denying this fact ? that's exactly what i was saying ! US always put their nose in all WORLD's affair ! if they could have kept their nose for themselves then those ####### wars like VIETNAM wouldn't have been that big ! no, your governement wants to control TERROSIMS in the WHOLE WORLD which makes the crisis way bigger then their suppose to be ! after that you wonder why everyone wants to bomb you ! let me give you the answer to that simple question... because you don't keep your ####### laws for yourself... you always try to apply them in countrys that doesn't even belong to you ! its like that UN that supposedly control TERRORIST attacks all over the world ! if you didn't have been knowing it already, its you that putted that damn thing up ! not any other counrtys ! all i'm saying is that if US would have always been keeping their own country not everyone at the same time, a lot of wars could have been a lot less bigger ! |
SSJkarma said..."the US always keep their noses to other nations affair"
true.... US was too busy looking in the outside world, meddling other ppls affair THAT they forgot to watch their own turf the result?... one fatal mistake of being TOO CONFIDENT (like saying being the best among others) resulted the death of many ppl including my own countrymen working in WTC .... GOLDEN RULE: dont be too over confident, foolishness can kill :buttrock: |
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And once again, you have to look at the long-term effects? Or do you have that little insight? If South Vietnam fell to communism, all surrounding nations would fall soon thereafter. This ENTIRE THING was not "not our business," because it dealt with the growing threat of COmmunism. If we hadn't stopped Communism then and there, it would have conquored South Vietnam and all surrounding areas. Again, see DOMINO THEORY. And once again: Terroroists from the mideast want to bomb us because they hate our freedom. Not because we butt into other people's business. When "other peoples business" consists of overthrowing free democratic nations, and invading other countries for resources, than it's NOT "other peoples business," it's the WORLD'S business. Quote:
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Golden Rule: We HAVE to get rid of Saddam, because a psycho fascist leader with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons can kill. |
oh boy, i love this debate
better than any stupid kiddy stuffs :biggrin: makes utter sense (besides its relevant) :thumbsup: |
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