state your opinion and give a explanation. the debate is of course, a debate between the powers of the two company's characters. my vote: SNK!!

I like Haohmaru so I'm going with SNK... :D

yes! SNK RULES BABY!! *chants* SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK..........

LOL Calm down there guy. ;)

no spammign here.

hmm i will go with SNK .. ;)

capcom :D

I'm going to have to go with capcom, because not only do they have my favorite characters in them, but they installed a larger combo system into some of their games. Plus they made great games, other than fighting games.

EDIT: I just noticed Prince's post AFTER this one, so I'm gonna write out the character thing.

I LOVE Capcom, because they can come up with very nice characters, and actually give them personalities that suit them. A great example would be Sagat, Chun-li, or Rose. They also draw the characters well, and they seem to be able to do nicely with animations, according to the series. They also made a lot of original characters, to boot.

okay... maybe i didn't make myself clear enough, i was talking about fighting game characters. if they were in a battle who would win? and ppl, don't make short gay posts, i want some EXPLANATION! for your choice.

alright, capcom rules! lol j/k

SNK RULES!! YEAH!!! lol

sure, capcom, may create original characters, but many of them are so boring.. yawn... (look at ryu, no personality at all, ken, what a clone) and then we have the cool SNK ppl:

Iori, Kyo(is it possible to get more cool than him???) , rock howard, igniz(coolest boss in any fighting game) and all the characters from samurai shodown(talk about originality).

and who said SNK characters aren't drawn well? ever visited the Neo Geo official website? the art on there is amazing.

Oh yeah? Ryu has a personality, but the only thing is that he doesn't show emotion. If you think SNK doesn't have clones, look at the characters. A lot of them are counter-parts of Capcom characters. For example: Ryu=Kyo, and Zangief=Raiden. (Remember, these are just examples)
And besides, Capcom creates DIFFERENT characters. They makes characters that very diverse, have different backgrounds, and different shades of emotion. You need to be able to see that before you can say they are "boring".
Capcom lives on...

capcom has a half man half eel, a bear wrestler, an insane yoga stretcher, and a screaming guy with claws. What a better lineup, right?

okay, here is my analysis of some capcom characters:

ryu: boring, he barely does anything, like gamegen says, just a guy in a karate uniform, if i wanted to see that, i could go to karate class.

ken: clone

Sagat: very original for a muay thai fighter, but the guy doesn't look anything like a thai fighter, he looks like a friggin pirate

Zangief: russian wrestler, i guess he's pretty original.

Guile: very original

Charlie: once again, clone

Chunli: original but not very interesting, just a chinese tomboy with some traditional clothing

cody: original, but yawn.. boring still, looks like some criminal with a pretty face

rose: pretty original, but not interesting, looks like a british women in a dress/robe

Cammy:

Vega: looks like a copy of wolverine, the guy uses weapons, not really a fighter

guy: not really interesting, nice shoes though.

akuma: the only guy that's interesting, his hair is a little gay, but everything else is okay

dhalsim: this guy is very original, but his moves are gay. what kind of a yoga master stretches limbs? yoga doesn't do weird #### like that.

Ok, first of all, you're looking to gamegen. Look to some manga's, and cartoon episodes for the true personalities.

Ryu DOES have a personality. He's a man who wishes to become the strongest fighter in the whole world. He doesn't know very much about his parent's except that they left him. Unknowingly to him, he had a little brother. When they met, he expressed a lot of emotion towards the child. He has an overwhelming sadness that will never be overcome.

ken: He is a clone, but he still does have an original personality. Look at him. A rich karate guy, that has the attention span of a rat. The only times when his skills come to use, is during a fight, or for chasing women. (pervert...)

Sagat: Ever wonder why his attacks are called "Tiger-something"? It's because he based all of his attacks on the power of a tiger (which should also explain the eyepatch). After being defeated by Ryu in a fight long ago, he swore vengance upon the boy, and trained very hard in order to defeat him one day, or maybe even kill him. Because of his training, he was practically a social outcast, besides being in league with M. Bison and everyone else. As Adon is his student, though, you can tell he has a LOT of patience.

Zangief: I'll let Jaims take care of this one. :biggrin:

Charlie: Was placed in after some talks with the whole of the Capcom staff. Guile was to be removed, and replaced by someone who looked a bit more respectable, had some sense of humor, and wasn't totally bent on armies and their stuff.

Chun-li: You have to look at her past to know a lot about her. Her mother died a few years (?) after she was born. She was still a normal girl, however, and played and ran with the other children. But this only lasted until her father disappeared (probably dead, but capcom doesn't specify). It happened during a holiday, which was to be honored by the colors Blue and pink. All the other children marveled at the sight of all the costumes, the activities, festivities, etc. But only one girl wasn't enjoying anything. She walked around wearing grey clothing, which was the most unliucky color to wear at this time of year. People shunned her away from them, and later, she found some parentage under her Master, Gen. After being taught how to fight, and how to use her speed, she left and became a soldier. Afterwards, though, she became an interpol policewoman, and since her fathers disappearance, Chun-li hopes to find the man responsible for the disappearance (murder) of her father, M. Bison. After knowing this, you should see why she is bit of a tomboy. But she still shows off a very large feminine style and acting.

Cody: Now I notice you're basing everything on looks. Cody was supposedly a hero, until he was convicted for doing something very bad. He was thrown in jail, but unable to accept that life, he attempted to break out, which was, as you can see, successful. He has an over-confident personality, along with a large attitude.

Rose: Holder of the soul moves, and soul illusions, along with the ability to literaly be a fortune teller with her tarot cards, she can bend minds, and invade a lot of thoughts. Her abilities make her a very fearful person to face. She has a very mysterious personality, and hides a lot about herself. Little is known about the woman.

Cammy: What, couldn't think of anything to say about her?

vega: There's more to him then the claws. The claws, btw, are for scratching up people's faces who he thinks may be superior to his. That is why he wears a mask. He thinks he has the most beautiful face, and is considered a psycho-path.
He reall is one, though, and hates it when people even touch his face. He holds many deep problems within.

Guy: A bishounin ninja. His Technique is an ancient ninja style, that is used normally for assassinations. He disguises his identities and feelings to the world, in order to keep enemies off of him, and finding a weakness.

Akuma: He is interesting, but the hair is a trademark of him. It represents the burning desire to destroy all of life in order to be the strongest.

Dhalsim: Yoga is the art of streatching. People CAN streatch their limbs, and can be taught to do many things. You'd be surprised what training he had to go through to be able to streatch like that. He is simply amazing, and holds a calm and peaceful environment where ever he goes. The only time I don't like him is when he dances, and/or chants.

want to try again, Prince? :biggrin:

ok, lets just start off with this... no one cares about the personalities, it's a fighting game, not an RPG, if i wanna see personality, i'll play something else... ####, even sports games have more individual personalities now.

next... all companies have clone characters

i think SNK has more clones... but who cares?

two of my favorite characters are clones (ken, dong hwan)


back to the subject... it depends... if you're talking SNK fighting vs series capcom characters... SNK is no match. Alpha vs any SNK game, pretty even.

Personally, i think they should have made Street Fighter Alpha 2 Vs Garou: Mark of the Wolves. that would make an awesome game (with ALL characters in tact), heh.

heh, or Samurai Showdown Vs Vampire Savior.... :laugh:

SNK Is Beter,Cause They Have More Chars Than Street Fighter,Cause Street Fighter Makes Clones Like Charlie Was Cloned From Guile And That Other Wrestler Was Cloned From Zangeif,And So on And So forth.

SNK Is Much Beter Then Street Fighter.

i've studied every single 2D fighting game character to the bone, i don't need you to give me a history lesson on all of them, just argue against my point, we are talking about the game, not manga or cartoons(they're not official, as tarkanx would say):

ryu: he certainly does NOT have a brother. that SF movie was NOT official. he certainly doesn't have any personality. sure he maybe sad, but it's nothing out of the ordinary for a hero.

ken: some personality, but not original, just a rich spoiled boy who learns karate but doesn't have the talents to keep up with the main character(ryu)

sagat: Sagat's eyepatch came from a attack from ibuki's father(forgot name) and his eye was badly damaged. sagat later killed ibuki's father. he certainly doesn't look ANYTHING like a muay thai fighter(but his pupil, adon sure looks like one). if you just met him, you would never be able to tell he's a muay thai fighter if someone hadn't told you.

charlie: he does not look like a military personnel, he looks like a nerd with a pretty face. his looks doesn't say anything about his personality or his past.

chun li: her personality is really confusing. she's like half tomboy, half girlish. her moves aren't anything like chinese martial arts. just a chinese tomboy, i can find them everywhere at my school.

cody: sure he has a history, but does his looks tell you anything about it? his moves certainly makes him look like a criminal. picking up rocks throwing them at ppl, taking knives off the ground and doing cheap shots. capcom did not do a good job of showing his true personality.

Rose: mysterious women, well isn't that just original. so original that we don't even know her true personality.

Cammy: okay, i was gonna say something about her, but i guess i forgot to write it down. anyways, she is pretty original, but nothing more than a female version of guile. now, why would Bison's love be some chick in a military uniform? that is certainly BORING!

vega: a pretty face psycho path, well, that's original, i'll tell you that. the guy sucks as a fighter. he has to use claws to defeat his opponents and he can't fight good in a large area (he utilises the roof and walls very well).

guy: his looks doesn't say anything about how he is a ninja. his moves doesn't either. nothing about him reveals anything about his roots.

akuma: he's fairly cool,so not much to say.

dhalsim: this guy does not look like an indian guy. he looks like some cannible freak out of the amazon rainforest. the guy is bald(very unusual for indians) and he wears face paint(another indication that he's one of those south american indian type ppl). and he also wears that necklace of skulls on his neck(yoga is peaceful, wat are the skulls suppose to mean?). basically, that guy does not look human.

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]back to the subject... it depends... if you're talking SNK fighting vs series capcom characters... SNK is no match.[/quote]
how would they not be a match?

oh yeah, and btw ppl, i'm also talking about who would win if they were in a fight, personality has different opinions to it. still, SNK characters can kick capcom's ass anyday.

I dont like it just like all street fighter games. It is just to slow for me. I need a fast paced game like marvel vs capcom 2, slow games bore me. I dont mind playing 3rd strike for fun though.

because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...

also, why is akuma cool? because YOU LIKE HIM?? you know what, your "facts" are based on your personal opinions, and nothing else... you keep saying, "oh this person is REAL original (sarcastically) but, you don't back it up at all, without anything that is opinion based. and anyone can say the same sh!t about SNK characters.

figure 1.0 :biggrin:

ken - short fireball
ryu - large fireball
dan - small fireball
akuma - regular fireball


iori - long fireball
terry - long fireball
rock - long fireball
geese - long fireball
kyo - long fireball

lol... exactly my point... the longer SF progresses, the more the "clones" become complete opposites, unlike with KoF, where they stay the same, and Garou had better graphics, and smoothness by far. and why does everyone say that dan is a clone? because he has an uppercut? 80% of SNK characters have dragon punches, or did at one time.

Garou, and Samurai Showdown is where it's at for SNK, dump the KoF, it's getting old... because when they get new chars, no one cares... ( no pun intended, lol ) but in SF, everyone welcomes new chars with glee... because more than likely, it's not just another lame a$$ clone like in KoF.

and, are you gonna see more people at the KoF2002 box, or the MvsC3 box?

how bout the KoF2002 box, or the Garou 2 box? Garou.... why? it's a better quality game... just like... Showdown 2 was tons better than Showdown 3, why? SNK gets too far ahead of themselves, TAKE YOUR TIME... they don't need a new KOF every damn year!! make one GOOD one every two-three years.

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...[/quote]
and who said SNK characters couldn't do that? they do that in capcom vs snk

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]also, why is akuma cool? because YOU LIKE HIM?? you know what, your "facts" are based on your personal opinions, and nothing else... you keep saying, "oh this person is REAL original (sarcastically) but, you don't back it up at all, without anything that is opinion based. and anyone can say the same sh!t about SNK characters.[/quote]
:hmmm: akuma is cool cause he is powerful and evil. originality is based on things you don't see everyday.

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]lol... exactly my point... the longer SF progresses, the more the "clones" become complete opposites, unlike with KoF, where they stay the same, and Garou had better graphics, and smoothness by far. and why does everyone say that dan is a clone? because he has an uppercut? 80% of SNK characters have dragon punches, or did at one time.

Garou, and Samurai Showdown is where it's at for SNK, dump the KoF, it's getting old... because when they get new chars, no one cares... ( no pun intended, lol ) but in SF, everyone welcomes new chars with glee... because more than likely, it's not just another lame a$$ clone like in KoF.

and, are you gonna see more people at the KoF2002 box, or the MvsC3 box?

how bout the KoF2002 box, or the Garou 2 box? Garou.... why? it's a better quality game... just like... Showdown 2 was tons better than Showdown 3, why? SNK gets too far ahead of themselves, TAKE YOUR TIME... they don't need a new KOF every damn year!! make one GOOD one every two-three years.[/quote]
what lameass clone? 95% of all KOF characters are unique. and the all new KOF 2002 characters are original. the only SNK characters that have dragon punch is ones that has ryo's style of fighting. the only reason SS2 was better than SS3 is cause there were less characters. that was all. the fans wanted to see more like in SS2.

I have to go with both cause both companies did great jobs.........I mean forst let's look at capcom........they got great characters........well xcept for some games like Star Gladiator(I'm not sure if they did t but the characters really sucks) they got differents type of fighters sure there's lots of clones(ken,dan hibiki,sean,akuma.....)but they all have differents attitudes when U fight with them.........SNK........I love those guys because of Samurai Showdown.........I mean look at all the fighters.........they all have clothes and attacks, none of them are really clones........I mean,Genjuro,Earthquake,cham-cham,haohmaru,Zankuro.....now none of those characters look the same.........and there is other games.........I mean look at Rock Howard,Geese Howard,Terry Bogart,........they are all original.........so I have to go with SNK because they have more original characters and I have to go with Capcom cuz they have unusual fighters too........look at Roll, Megaman,sakura,(they came up with the first school girl fighter)......so both are good and when they united for Capcom Vs SNK, it was even Better!!!!!!!!!! :biggrin:

Haven't you, Vegetam, noticed that the SNK characters are somewhat related to Capcom characters? Doesn't THAT explain enough already? Also, Akuma isn't the only one who is powerful and evil. Look at M. Bison, Dark Sakura, Evil Ryu, Vega, Balrog, and all the other people in Shadowloo.

Nice explanation, Ludacris.

brininging things back to the topic please !
you said CAPCOM VS SNK not all the other fighting games !
i will have to go with capcom !

in the VS series except for akuma who is a complete rip off of ken and ryu... they all have their fighting style !

Ken = not a clone anymore, has his moves are based off hand-to-hand combat
Ryu = not a clone has his moves are based on long range combat
Akuma = i agree, a rip off of both ken and akuma with evil intension... come on CAPCOM you can do better than that
Dan = perhaps he learn the same style but he used it in style too !
Chunli = the stori is good and her background too. she is using a kung fu style not seen in any other chars in any other vs game !
Zangief = bear wrestler, see that style in any other vs game ?
guile = pretty cool as a chars !
charlie = normal he has the same moves, who in the army doesn't get the same training ? and i think he has the style to do the moves too as they are different in some ways !
rose = very unique
bison = very unique
cody = i love the FINAL FIGHT game and now in a fighting game... man so unique
guy = again very unique
cammy = very unique (they say she has the same style as bison, but i don't see any resemblance)
balrog = at least we got a boxer !
vega = very unique

anyway, i won't go for all chars in CAPCOM vs SNK, as i don't know much about the game itself. i never really loved SNK KOF games as they have only one story and that's the stupidiest ever ! how much time has the FIGHTINJG GAMES being a story of a TOURNAMENT i think its dumb to make a KOF94,95,96,97,98,99,2k,2k1,2k2 with the same story over and over again !

has for CAPCOM, they sussesfully make a good story in their fighting games. and i love a good story. i don't mean to say SNK didn't make any good game, as i love the samurai showdown 1 & 2. but if you make me choose, i love capcom better.

simple question:
if CAPCOM is so dull, why isn't it them who are out ?
SNK is dead man !

roll: SNK characters are a LOT more different than capcom characters (except for a few retards like ryo). name one character from capcom that resembles any character from Last Blade or SS. SNK characters are unique. Their personalities show through their moves and clothing.

SSJKarma: the KOF series don't have the same storyline. they all have to do with the KOF tournament, but the storyline is very different in each one. some are continuations of the previous tournaments and some are just new stories.


anyways, ppl, what i really meant was who would win if characters from these two companies fought against each other. my pick: still SNK

[quote:post_uid4="princevegetam"]name one character from capcom that resembles any character from Last Blade or SS.[/quote:post_uid4]
Vega- He uses claws like that short green guy.
There. I named one for SS. Happy?

holy crap, i was wondering how there were so many replies. Vegetam and others: stop re-posting!! holy crap you're supposed to use the "edit" button, remember. so, stop spamming. Anyway, stop focusing on clones of the two companies. Think of the originality each has. Honestly, i just like capcom better because there's more than just people with differnet fighting styles, there's people with weird abilities (and im not talking fireballs). It's like, id rather use wrestling moves and electric shocks, and claws and a pimp with a hairdo than just karate fighters. True SNK has some of these, but i dont think as many.

P.S. - Roll, thank you for remembering my dedication to Zangief, so here's the short personality description she was leaving to me: He's a russian politician who practices wrestling bears in the woods and has cool scars all over him from those bears. Original enough? He is strong, yet not extremely slow, and has a powerful super. (Plus, it feels so great beating guile with him in SF2 when Zangief was the biggest joke character alive)

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"][quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...[/quote]
and who said SNK characters couldn't do that? they do that in capcom vs snk[/quote]
key word: capcom

.. i'll admit snk USED to be better than capcom in the 1990s but not anymore ...

but anyway capcom would win :D

roll: no their weapons are a little similar but totally different. gen-an's claws are attached to his fingers like extra long nails. this means his claws are more mobile and have a greater range of motion than vega's claws which are like wolverines, just 4 blades coming out of your knucles.

jaims: SNK has WAY more of those characters than capcom, to show their uniqueness here are some very original characters:

gaira: a person that fights with giant buddhist beads, how original can you get?

basara: a person who fights with a giant blade thing attached to a chain

kyo: his rushing punch combos are more very unique for a character

whip: the name says it all, a girl who fights with a whip

kim kap hwan: a person who uses tae kwon do

k : a person that fights with the style of violence

athena: utilises kungfu and psychic powers

mai: authority on Shiranui-style Ninjitsu

anyways, that's all i can think of right now, haven't played any games in ages so don't really remember.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]roll: no their weapons are a little similar but totally different. gen-an's claws are attached to his fingers like extra long nails. this means his claws are more mobile and have a greater range of motion than vega's claws which are like wolverines, just 4 blades coming out of your knucles.

jaims: SNK has WAY more of those characters than capcom, to show their uniqueness here are some very original characters:

gaira: a person that fights with giant buddhist beads, how original can you get?

basara: a person who fights with a giant blade thing attached to a chain

kyo: his rushing punch combos are more very unique for a character

whip: the name says it all, a girl who fights with a whip

kim kap hwan: a person who uses tae kwon do

k : a person that fights with the style of violence

athena: utilises kungfu and psychic powers

mai: authority on Shiranui-style Ninjitsu

anyways, that's all i can think of right now, haven't played any games in ages so don't really remember.[/quote]
yeah but Capcom still came up with great unique characters.........some of characters from snk were inspired from capcom.......it's all relative........SNK got great characters and Capcom too......

Geez, vegetam, you're never going to admit that they are even the tiniest bit alike, are you? Well, I'm still sticking with capcom, because they drew their characters a bit nicer than SNK in the game Capcom vs Snk. They made Zangief and Cammy, and a the whole lot of SF people look wierd! But capcom made EVERYONE look great. The capcom characters had a larger fighting combo-ability in there, not to mention that the Capcom groove is easier to use, and easier to understand than the SNK groove.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]The capcom characters had a larger fighting combo-ability in there, not to mention that the Capcom groove is easier to use, and easier to understand than the SNK groove.[/quote]
she got a point there Prince......

prince ur just not getting the point, snk does have original chars, so does capcom..
ex.

strider - ninja with his own video game
megaman - robot with his own video game
captain commando - hero with his own video game
son son - monkey princess with her own video game
hayato - star war like guy with his own video game
felicia - cat ?
morrigan - vampire ?
adon - original character
sakura - student with unique style of the shotos
etc.

its obvious why snk SEEMS more unique
its because A LOT of people play capcom A LOT of times more than snk

and prince why are u comparing vega with wolverine, wolverine wasnt invented by capcom, he was added in a vs game, just like ryo was added in cvssnk ...

DBZ would win this bout...lol...i'm not sure who wood win...unless u added DBZ...DBZ wood crush NEthing...