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(ShinKu_Ryu) 08-08-2005 07:13 AM
Vote If Against Cloning
yes/no/maybe/so long as it is kept safe

What do you have to say about cloning? Do you think it is something that should no be tempered with as easily as scientist are doing?

It remains today that most people are very much against the idea of cloning and think of it as [Dangerous]. Especially with the thought of Human Cloning, and thing such technology shouldn't advance any further. As for me of course i am 110% against it....the intetions of ''cloning'' does not seem like it will be a good cause in the future to come.

Below are some Cloning fact websites you may be interested in.

Fact #1

Fact #2

Group of americans to ban cloning


Fact #3


There is no doubt that whats next on the list for cloning is [ Humans ].....well if not next on their list then it sure is to be one of their goals. It stands that most people are against it....this pole will determine to see what people on this forum think of cloning and if against or not, so vote people and post your comments..hopefully this thread will be kept clean.



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Dark_Paladin_X 08-08-2005 07:30 AM
I'm against it s well. The reasons being that is the governemtn had that technology, they cold clone armies over 100x just to win wars. Which only lead to death. Then again, what if the country they were at war with had that technology as well, useless death all around, and the war would escalate to other countries, thus resulting in another world war.

People who are unfortunate in life mighht try and pay/steal the ability to clone to commit more crimes.

Gang sizes can grow at an unreasonable rate, meanign more gang violence, and more iunnocent deaths.

If someone were arrested, they could try and send a clone to do the time instead.

But who knows. The clones might not be as smart. They might be made bumb.

alamgir 08-08-2005 07:49 AM
And what if the perfect human was created? A being with the perfect traits. Giving birth may even become a thing of the past as all the government would want is a country full of perfect people.

machine1 08-08-2005 09:41 AM
im against cloning by all means.

MEGA_DRACOS_XRL 08-08-2005 10:50 AM
umm i don't care at this moment...

marvel911 08-08-2005 02:33 PM
If they want to waste time working on it, go ahead. But personally there are more important things to spend research money on

MEGA_DRACOS_XRL 08-08-2005 04:36 PM
having a billion Pres. Bushs or a billion saddam hussein! mu hahahaha
thats scary!

Virtual Fighter 08-08-2005 04:44 PM
Hell yeah i'm for cloning.

If we clone animals we could end world hunger.




BUT NOOOOO. all you fliping bible thumpers wouldn't want the world to be fed, now would you?

(~Miguel~) 08-08-2005 05:13 PM
^Yeah but What about People destroying Animals habitats???? huh. Let the world heal it self naturally like Solidsnake said.

(ShinKu_Ryu) 08-08-2005 05:18 PM
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Hell yeah i'm for cloning.

If we clone animals we could end world hunger.




BUT NOOOOO. all you fliping bible thumpers wouldn't want the world to be fed, now would you?[/quote]
Im not sure many people would think of eating a cloned animal as (pleasant)...

And tell me the reason to most animals being in danger of getting extinct, is it not humans who are responsible..or more to say [tecnology advancing] is more of the cause.

Virtual Fighter 08-08-2005 05:54 PM
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^Yeah but What about People destroying Animals habitats???? huh. Let the world heal it self naturally like Solidsnake said.

Obviously you don't really care about that as you are using the internet which everyday is cutting down trees and land to put up receptors and telephone lines.

Secondly, what about it? Just because some people are going to clone animals, more animals will die? Where's the logic in that?

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Im not sure many people would think of eating a cloned animal as (pleasant)...
Animals are animals. Dolly the sheep would have tasted just as good in lamb chops as any other sheep.

You tell me, you look at all the poverty in Africa, Asia and south America and you say "No, I won't give you food because it's cloned. Yuck!"

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And tell me the reason to most animals being in danger of getting extinct, is it not humans who are responsible..or more to say [tecnology advancing] is more of the cause.
No Animals have become extinct in a long time. If you want to blame the destruction of animal habitats, blame it on deforistation.

Since when do scientists studying in a labratory destroy millions of trees in the rain forest, killing millions of animals?

Again, if you REALLY cared, you would stop using the internet as if makes carbon dioxide, which burns the earth's atmosphere, which flips up the global enviornment.

Why don't you just stop breathing, while you're at it, since that also destroys the global enviornment.

gieandfer 08-08-2005 06:11 PM
im with virtual on this. we need them for transplants, food, and other needs. hell if we really need it, we can even clone them for war so theyd stop recruiting people who dont wanna go but are forced to. u may think its wrong cause its like playing god but just think about it. is there any other way?

Virtual Fighter 08-08-2005 06:56 PM
Cloning humans not only would be really complicated, it would really be stupid and useless. Cloning animals, well there's something we can do to feed the world.

marvel911 08-08-2005 08:48 PM
[quote:post_uid0="(ShinKu_Ryu)"][quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Hell yeah i'm for cloning.

If we clone animals we could end world hunger.



BUT NOOOOO. all you fliping bible thumpers wouldn't want the world to be fed, now would you?[/quote]
Im not sure many people would think of eating a cloned animal as (pleasant)...[/quote]
Actually I'd agree. Although cloning animals good help, I see people refusing to eat something that's be cloned. People are too fussy.

Though then again all the cloned stuff could be sent to Africa, they wouldnt complain..

Virtual Fighter 08-08-2005 10:19 PM
If you put up the argument "eww, yucky, clone", then you're REALLY spoiled and have never faced hunger (both literal and hypothetical) in your life.

machine1 08-09-2005 04:40 AM
u know, virtual fighter made a strong point. I didn't consider the fact that we could produce more food and end world hunger. That kind of changes my opinion on cloning.

I'm definitly against the cloning of humans though. But that's the main problem, if they start cloning stuff like animals, eventually that will lead to the cloning of humans,which i'm AGAINST. So even though you think about how we could benefit from cloning, I see some big negatives as well.

so it's kind of a half/half thing now. I'm half for it and half against it.

(ShinKu_Ryu) 08-09-2005 10:59 AM
[quote:post_uid0="machine1"]I'm definitly against the cloning of humans though. But that's the main problem, if they start cloning stuff like animals, eventually that will lead to the cloning of humans,which i'm AGAINST. So even though you think about how we could benefit from cloning, I see some big negatives as well.

so it's kind of a half/half thing now. I'm half for it and half against it.[/quote]
True what you said...though some only look at one thing, ''cloning animals for food to resolve world hunger". There is still way too many negatives to just put aside and deal with it later when it actually comes into effect.

History should have taught as not to neglect a situation untill it becomes a problem to deal with. Cloning cant be the last and only solution for world hunger, even if it happens i dont think it will help much..

(~Miguel~) 08-09-2005 12:20 PM
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Obviously you don't really care about that as you are using the internet which everyday is cutting down trees and land to put up receptors and telephone lines.

Secondly, what about it? Just because some people are going to clone animals, more animals will die? Where's the logic in that?
You dont care either but i use this computer for reasons. But cutting trees can be replaced by Planting trees.

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Animals are animals. Dolly the sheep would have tasted just as good in lamb chops as any other sheep.

You tell me, you look at all the poverty in Africa, Asia and south America and you say "No, I won't give you food because it's cloned. Yuck!"
Cloning is good but not natural, what if someone did a mistake and created something harmful??

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No Animals have become extinct in a long time. If you want to blame the destruction of animal habitats, blame it on deforistation.

Since when do scientists studying in a labratory destroy millions of trees in the rain forest, killing millions of animals?

Again, if you REALLY cared, you would stop using the internet as if makes carbon dioxide, which burns the earth's atmosphere, which flips up the global enviornment.

Why don't you just stop breathing, while you're at it, since that also destroys the global enviornment.
If you really cared you would protest against The ones who are cutting trees. Again i use this computer for a reason. To study find info and play a game. Actually scientists do harm the environment, They might kill us. Im not saying science is bad but somethings are just to dangerous.[/color]



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gieandfer 08-09-2005 01:36 PM
even if cloning humans did lead to problems o well. we already have enough problems. yea we could clone animals but that would also be a problem. it would mean more diseases, more animals the pound has to take care of, and other problems. its not like cloning will bring an end to all of our conflicts

Elena 08-09-2005 03:01 PM
I'm all for cloning parts. Parts of healthy humans such as hearts and kidneys for those who need it so they don't die before getting a part. Scientist could clone a part of each blood type.

MEGA_DRACOS_XRL 08-09-2005 03:01 PM
basically, when we start cloning humans... were basically saying "End Of the World" and America would be 1 reason why the world ends! b/c they have the supplies to do so...

Virtual Fighter 08-09-2005 05:21 PM
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True what you said...though some only look at one thing, ''cloning animals for food to resolve world hunger". There is still way too many negatives to just put aside and deal with it later when it actually comes into effect.
All those "negatives" come from bullpoop science fiction. They're pure "What ifs". Here's an even better what if. What if we do this,feed the entire world, bring nations out of poverty and lead to a more ballanced, more prosperous world for everyone?

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History should have taught as not to neglect a situation untill it becomes a problem to deal with. Cloning cant be the last and only solution for world hunger, even if it happens i dont think it will help much..
Good logic. Millions of peices of food will not solve world hunger.

You get the "logically stupid" award.


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Cloning is good but not natural, what if someone did a mistake and created something harmful??
Using condoms isn't natural eigther, but you have to do what you have to do.

I bet if it was up to you, you would let the billions of starving people DIE instead of trying to find a solution.

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If you really cared you would protest against The ones who are cutting trees. Again i use this computer for a reason. To study find info and play a game. Actually scientists do harm the environment, They might kill us. Im not saying science is bad but somethings are just to dangerous.
Like what? What science has killed us?

This isn't the eugenics study. This isn't the study for the automic bomb. This is the study of replecating items to 1) Cure people from deseases or 2) Feed starving nations.

This isn't a problem. you're watching too many science fiction films. Stop.

alamgir 08-10-2005 08:14 AM
There probably is enough food in the world to feed everyone. The thing is there are people who are so greedy that they only feed themselves. I mean look at your usual first world country, you can get food whenever you want. The stories completely different for third world countries, so how can we be so sure that cloned animals will be handed over to the poor?

(ShinKu_Ryu) 08-10-2005 11:34 AM
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All those "negatives" come from bullpoop science fiction. They're pure "What ifs". Here's an even better what if. What if we do this,feed the entire world, bring nations out of poverty and lead to a more ballanced, more prosperous world for everyone?
The cause of famine around the world cannot be solved by cloning alone! not like that as simply as your trying to say...there is alot of problems, not just poverty but war, human rights (in some country's) , disasaters that occur, goverment..etc.

I havent read any articles or heard, stating that they plan to use cloning to end world hunger or use for human parts which have been the strongest argument people who have been supporting cloning (in some way) have been saying. Those remain only "facts" which are being considered.

Though the attempts of many people to try and stop cloning, it likely seems that will be the outcome...highly because allmost the same number of people take side to cloning..that i cant understand.

marvel911 08-10-2005 11:53 AM
[color=#660099:post_uid8]Has anyone realized that the animals that have been "cloned" already look similar?
I mean sheep, come on. Have you ever seen 2, 3, or even 4 sheep next to each other in a field. They all look the same, you cant tell them apart. So when some scientist comes out and says "See, this sheep is a clone of that one, they look exactly the same." It's just kind of iffy to me.
Then what else do we have. We have cloned mice, goats, pigs. You know, just a whole list of animals that look so different to begin with.

Anyway, just a thought.[/color:post_uid8]

(~Miguel~) 08-10-2005 03:57 PM
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Using condoms isn't natural eigther, but you have to do what you have to do.
Theres other solutions to that. simply not have sex. Unless you want a child or out of love. Not supposed to talk about that ^^

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I bet if it was up to you, you would let the billions of starving people DIE instead of trying to find a solution.
I really do care who people who dont have money and food. but instead of giving them cloned animals. You can plant food or do whatever you can but cloning is not the solution.

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Like what? What science has killed us?

This isn't the eugenics study. This isn't the study for the automic bomb. This is the study of replecating items to 1) Cure people from deseases or 2) Feed starving nations.

This isn't a problem. you're watching too many science fiction films. Stop.
Theres other solutions, studying the diseases and harvesting food. But Cloning animals is unatural. Could something go wrong with cloning?? yes, But if its natural its better. Science is a good thing but it takes somethings too far.

mastergrim8 08-10-2005 07:11 PM
better to clone humans especially men recent studies show that the Y chromosome is getting smaller meaning the man population may die out and without men to fertilize women the humans are doomed

gieandfer 08-10-2005 07:41 PM
[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]There probably is enough food in the world to feed everyone. The thing is there are people who are so greedy that they only feed themselves. I mean look at your usual first world country, you can get food whenever you want. The stories completely different for third world countries, so how can we be so sure that cloned animals will be handed over to the poor?[/quote]
yea he has a point. what makes it so sure that prices wont change and the food will be free? it will still be priced and poor people wont be able to buy it. what makes it so sure it will be given to them?


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