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Virtual Fighter 10-07-2004 03:52 PM

abortion.


yes, thats right, abortion.


...just post your stance and why, so we can debate each other.

i for one am proabortion. people dont "want" to be born nor choose to be. why bring them into a painful environment, a place where them might not have food, might how have care, might be nigllected, and even might not be :love: ed.

not only is this a might- but its a painful reality. most abortion-ees are in a time of crisis, and cannot sustain a human life. Why bring him or her into a place of suffering? in a place where the parents KNOW will be painful for the child? they have a choice (well, at least HAD, wear a condom, but thats neigther here nor there) go on with it, and bring the baby into a painful unwanted world, or do away with it.

babies are aborted within the first 5 months of being concieved, when the nerves system has not been developped. the federal law prohibits the abortion of babys who are in there 2nd tri-mester, and some indivudual clinics do not accept you if you are past your first.

take him away now, when he or she doesnt feel pain, or drag him or her along for a long road of suffering.

Angel-Eyes 10-07-2004 04:55 PM

please read what I wrote.....I know its a very long post, and it might take some of your time, but I would really like to get my point across.


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http://mediax.muchosucko.com/movies/512-antiabortus.mov

*warning* disgusting abortion video *warning*




yeah, if you didnt notice, I am anti-abortion/pro-life


why?

well I like to think of life as a rollercoaster.
when the baby is conceived, the rollercoaster cart is placed at the top of the hill.

potential energy......I like to call it potential energy.

the rollercoaster cart has the potential energy to go down the hill extremely fast and go though loops and tunnels giving the people on the ride a wonderful experience.

or it could turn out to be the suckiest ride youve ever gone on, slow and miserable

same with a human

the baby has the potential energy of being born, raised in loving home, growning up, being an assortment of different occupations, having kids, and affecting the lives of billions of people just by existing.

or that baby could grow up in a bad home, have a terrible life, and end up commiting suicide...

WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE HUMAN WILL LIVE THEIR LIVES

WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SNUFF OUT THE POTENTIAL ENERGY


just think.......would if george washington, einsein, abe lincoln, martin luther king jr, fidel castro, timothy Mcveih, karl marx, saddam hussein, osama binladen, lance armstrong, michael jordan, stalin, adolf hitler.....ect ect

if the the preceding had been aborted.......this world would have been a MUCH different place, partially good, and partially bad......WE HAVE NO IDEA

WHY TAKE THE CHANCE?




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dominicankid098 10-07-2004 05:02 PM

Abortion is just like snipers shooting down the innocent. It is murdering and it is wrong and so what if the society sucks? I rather live life than worry about living.

evilhadoken 10-07-2004 05:11 PM

the way people have become today....its just sad. :cry:

SolidSnake76 10-07-2004 05:28 PM

i'm pro-abortion.

-being against it is a violation of a woman's 4th amendmant rights of privacy. if they dont want the baby, thats thier business. not the gov't decision to decide what should happen to thier womb.

-i guessing some ofuthink its ok with an 11 year old giving birth. but they really, really aint ready.

-sometimes, like VF stated, it isnt the right time for a woman to be pregnant. if they aint ready, they dont need to have it.

-if they do go up for adoption, do they still need to be put through the pain of not being loved and such? moved from 1 foster home to another? being picked on for not having thier real parents around? plus, the irresponcible foster parents who wont feed, cover up or care about thier behinds. thats why some(or most) rely on crime and living off the streets to stay alive cause sum fool didnt guide thier ass.

abortion does have its good.

Angel-Eyes 10-07-2004 05:36 PM

[quote:post_uid0="SolidSnake76"]-if they do go up for adoption, do they still need to be put through the pain of not being loved and such? moved from 1 foster home to another? being picked on for not having thier real parents around? plus, the irresponcible foster parents who wont feed, cover up or care about thier behinds. thats why some(or most) rely on crime and living off the streets to stay alive cause sum fool didnt guide thier ass.

abortion does have its good.
[/quote]
so you say:

better off dead, than being in a bad position in life.


of course I feel sorry for all the kids that go though foster homes and have nobody to love them, but EVERY BABY THAT IS ABORTED WAS NOT NECESSARILY GONNA HAVE A CRAPPY LIFE!


I say: better off alive, even with a crappy life, than being dead/non existent.

Orlando0 10-07-2004 05:51 PM

I'm with Kester. It's stupid really. End the suffering before it starts? BAH! Excuses. Let it live and put it in adoption or something. Abortion? That's for wusses, losers and idiots. It's your fault if you have the baby.

Heck, it could live a good life even if you are the worst parents on earth.

marvel911 10-07-2004 06:44 PM

Abortion isnt necessary, just have the baby, then give it up for adoption, sure it might be tough but at least then you arent a murderer.

105-1091146135 10-07-2004 07:12 PM

i agree... my opinion...som ppl are not fortunate enuff to have a baby!! n if youhav a chance thn dont give it up!! every1 pays for their mistakes.. ofcourse u regret it later in life but still killin (maybe a perfectly good baby) doesnt make things right.. som ppl have babies born without a part of their bodies formed its really sad =( n life is not all bout pain n sufferin!!! dont tell me u havent had ur times! everything settles in the end! dont blame the kid!! teens are the ones who cant think poop before doin anything....u have to be ready for the consequences!....babies are innocent til thy come in the world!! until thy strt seeing & experiencin things!!! seriously killin a perfectly innocent baby??? how much more cruel can
human beings get?

sry but i take this matter very seriously!

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 07:19 PM

well being a girl and all i'm against it. i don't think that theres any real reason by any child should be aborted. vf look at ur signature what does it say "I rather die on my feet, than live on my knees -- Emilliano Zapata" and yet ur telling people they shouldn't even try, and as for an 11 year old girl giving birth if she can't have the baby she shouldn't be messing around in situtations where she could get pregnant anyways. u do the crime u do the time thats how is and thats the same thing with having sex. u wanna mess around be ready to take responsiblity. as for it'll be born without love without so and so if youcan't honestly raise it theres many other choices that u can turn to, and no u don't have to wait till it's born u as the parent can start searching for parents before it's even born many well educated people and finically stable people sometimes unfortionately can't have kids, and r dying to have a ####orn baby so they can have the chance to be parents. so when ur saying it'll go through mulitple foster homes thats not true. most ####orns r adopted right away for there aren't many of those most kids who r moved from foster home to foster home r those that come into the system a bit older. yeah and u guys will probably say what about rape. y should any child have to pay for the crimes of their parent just because ur father was a brutal man who abused women doesn't mean you'll grow up to be like him many people who grow up in abusive homes usually break the cycle because they grow up having to protect those close to them or know themself first hand how it feels like to be abused. no child for any reason should be aborted. yes it's the womens body she can do what she wants with it she had a choice before she went and spread her legs too y take it out on someone who had no choice in how they were concived. and abortion not only kills the child but in a sense it also effects us emotionally u men might think whatever but us women function differently we at times have emotional probs and many women will tell u they don't care after they do it but inside sometimes they question what if. so abortion isn't really healthy for anyone. many women every year need emotional help after doing it. every child is born innocent pure done no wrong no reason to be punished for crimes made before their time.



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girlNferno666 10-07-2004 07:19 PM

The Baby's Cry
By Tanya LeBlanc


It's early still, the month is one,
And my life has just begun.
I'm so small, don't have to hide,
I'm but a seed growing inside.
Four weeks later, the month is two,
I'm still small but a part of you.
You'll love me a lot, wait and see,
You'll be proud as proud can be.
Time has passed, the month is three,
Now, I'm someone you can see.
My hair is black, and my eyes are brown,
I'll be fun to have around.
Now, I'm gone, the month is five,
Mommy killed me, I'm no longer alive.
Abortion is the name they gave it,
They take your life before you live it.
I wanted to be born, the month is six,
but it's already done, it can't be fixed.
I guess my mommy didn't love me,
She went and just threw me away.
She'll never forget me,
Forever in her heart is where I'll stay.
I have a new home now, the month is seven,
Congratulations, Mommy,
Guess what, I'm in Heaven.
Mommy still carries around a frown,
Cause I'm in her memory, but not around.
You would have loved me, the month is eight,
but guess what, Mommy, it's too late.
Murdered by my mommy's hand,
I guess I'm too young to understand.
Goodbye, Mommy, the month is nine,
I could've been born, doing just fine.
Although I'm here in Heaven, I still cry,
Because of my mommy, I had to die.
Mommy, mommy, the year is one,
And my life could've just begun.
Mommy now the days have gone by, it's year two,
And I can almost tie my shoe.
Soon, I'll be three,
And you would've been too busy to mess with me.
A long time has passed, and the year is nine,
I would've been happy down there with you all mine.
Now look, Mom, it's year 18,
Oh how the time has passed,
I've become a woman,
And I wouldn't have been able to last.
Well, goodbye Mommy, it's time to go,
I love you, I guess you should know.
but Mommy I see and I know,
That always and forever in you heart I'll grow.
Forever in your memory I've stayed,
And I see now that you've paid.

mastergrim8 10-07-2004 07:23 PM

poor bastards they all die. my mom had to abort a baby once. I'm sad to think of it:(

Angel-Eyes 10-07-2004 07:23 PM

now how many of you pro-life people still want kerry to win.......


thats one of the main reasons I dont like kerry, cause he is pro-choice


kinda hypocrytical....

WestSideBlood 10-07-2004 07:24 PM

It's hard to say unless you are in a situation where you have to make such a decision. Listen, let's say little vf goes out and does the deed with some lovely innocent (so he thinks) girl he has had his eye on for some time. Nine monthes later, he gets a call from said girl saying she will be giving him a son- thus the second thing she gave him, lets not forget the horrible rash he woke up with the morning after their sacred evening.

Vf is only fifteen, and the girl is only eleven, which means, they have no means of supporting this child. Oh, and Vf's parents are crack heads, so they won't be able to assume responsability for their childs actions.

This being said, is it still a good idea for her to have the child?

SnuggLes__ 10-07-2004 07:26 PM

This is sick and Unusual!!

Na im agaisnt abortion.. if you were never born then where the hell would you be... Life is a gift even if you born with an extra legs.. cant walk cant see... Cant say its easy..

Now lets say your the baby and your in this lil circle place nice and warm and your gettin all the food you want.. then a hole opens and your gettin rip out.. and the doctor looks at your ass and throws you in the garbage.. i dont think your feelin to good... and dont say babies dont feel poop cause they do. there alive when you kill there ass..

And the mothers. and wannabe but run away when they got to face it pops.. got to deal with this sh!t themselves.. cause its there own damn fault.. your bringing the baby in the world y the hell you gonna kill it. Its like killin me before i get to a strip bar.. i dont know if its gonna be sh!tty or tight, but i missed it cause i got shot.
I guess its wat you believe in.
O.O
This is where Religion steps
TOPIC CLOSED
lmao!
j/p

105-1091146135 10-07-2004 07:27 PM

damn.. honestly it teared me up!! it happens everytime i hear it! its just too sad!

Angel-Eyes 10-07-2004 07:28 PM

[quote:post_uid0="WestSideBlood"]

This being said, is it still a good idea for her to have the child?[/quote]
sure.

that child could be the the first person to walk on mars

that child could be our greatest president

that child could find a cure for cancer

that child could also be a serial killer



you just cant make a value judgement like that without knowing the future.




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coolkilla 10-07-2004 07:30 PM

Getting an abortion and then having too live with that guilt for the rest of your life...When you have kids everytime you see them you start too think about that other kid that you murdered when you got an abortion...Is it really worth that guilt too just kill an unborn child?...I dont understand why people do this or even consider it...If my gf wouldve brought up getting an abortion...Dont get me wrong im no woman beater but I wouldve smacked the poop out of her...This is a bad thing too do but if they made it illegal then people would kill the child themselves right in their own home...So whatever they do its their decision we cannot make them change their minds but they will regret it when they are older...And for the rest of their lives...
EDIT:Even if a doctor told me that the child was not going too live when its born I would still want my gf too have the baby..Because there is a chance that it might live...




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girlNferno666 10-07-2004 07:32 PM

she's 11 he's 15 they don't need to keep the child like i said she can easily enlist in an adoption plan which i forget the name for but it adopts the baby straight from the womb before it's even born and she'll go live with the family thats going to adopt her kid till it's born then they take the child and she goes back to living her life it's not hard a few signing of papers and a life is saved and changed it doesn't take much to give someone a chance

SnuggLes__ 10-07-2004 07:34 PM

i was aborted one time.. phew that was a close one... at least im with a great family...

Ooops... i MEAN APoption

Virtual Fighter 10-07-2004 07:47 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Orlando0"]I'm with Kester. It's stupid really. End the suffering before it starts? BAH! Excuses. Let it live and put it in adoption or something. Abortion? That's for wusses, losers and idiots. It's your fault if you have the baby.

Heck, it could live a good life even if you are the worst parents on earth.
[/quote]
excuse me? wusses losers and idiotS?

wait- you're talkinga bout the parents. yet you dont mention anywhere the welfare of the baby. its their

fault yes. but is it the baby's? should he or she live in a ife that was uncalled for and yet unloved

for a stupid mistake the parents made?

thats very selfish. not only do you continue to live a terrible life, but you bring another human being

with you.



fact: only 15% of all people put on adoption ever get adopted.

so, if you put it on adoption, there is a 15% chance he/she will ever find a home. there is an 85%

chance he or she will live a cold, parentless life.

people who never get adopted live terrible lives, nd if you get the luck of GETTING adopted, there is

still the possiblity of getting a terrible adopted parent, one who beats you, or even one who physically

exploits you.



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of course I feel sorry for all the kids that go though foster homes and have nobody to love them,

but EVERY BABY THAT IS ABORTED WAS NOT NECESSARILY GONNA HAVE A CRAPPY LIFE!
have you ever heard of a multi millionare putting her baby up for abortion? no. but, what you do hear is

the countless teen pregnacies, unprotected births, and rapes.

what is the basis behind abortion? to give up a fetus you cant care for.

its not "because i have the money, have the time, have the space, and have the love, but just dont want

to give it."

its not like that.

fact: 38% of teen mothers give there baby up for abortion.

i didnt say millionare mothers, i said TEEN mothers. what this implys is under 18, unable to work and

still in school.

THAT IS NOT THE LIFE YOU WANT TO LIVE. thats not the life you want your child to live, eigther.

adoption? i already explained that.

kester, i do beleive you are a bible beleive, no?

so, you would beleive in the devine after life... right? think of it this way.

you can eigther bring the baby down to earth, or he/she can chill in heaven for a bit longer.

:plain:

Fact: 54% of all abortion-ees are under the federal poverty level.

that meens they're poor. now, when you're a poor teen mother, what other option is there? adoption? i

already explained that.


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WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE HUMAN WILL LIVE THEIR LIVES

WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SNUFF OUT THE POTENTIAL ENERGY

we have no idea? wrong. we do have SOME idea. if you're a poor teen mother with few family and no where

else to go, chances are your baby will be flipED UP.


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fidel castro, timothy Mcveih, saddam hussein, osama binladen, stalin, adolf hitler
i dont know about you and you're crazy right winged theories, but i'd be fliping glad if those mass

murderers were never born.

NOTES I CONJECTURED:

kester, you're a bush supporter, right? i find it ironic how he's pro life, yet giving tax cuts and

buget breaks to the rich, making the poor poorer.

why is that ironic? because the poorer a society is, the more likley you are to have an abortion.

its been proven. here in east LA, the abortion level is like 1/7, which is pretty fliping high. (if you

couldnt deduce the info, east la = poor)

you see, kester, imo the reason you probably are pro-"life" is because you havent had these experiences.

you're not in the position of a potential abortionists. you're not a poor teen parent, and probably

you'll never have an experience remotly close to it. you dont have that bind, and you DONT know what

they've been going through. you cant judge, because you've never lived what they've gone through. i

have, i have some clsoe relationships with abortionists and i KNOw what they went through.

its not enough to talk about things you read about but to live the things you know about.

DarkKen 10-07-2004 07:57 PM

it just depends on what situation the people are in...
that's all there is to it..
their situations.. their desire... their decision..
nothing els to say about it..

Virtual Fighter 10-07-2004 08:05 PM

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n if youhav a chance thn dont give it up!!
so what you're saying is if you can, do because others cant? thats retarded. i can, but im not. why?

because im only 15, i CANT SUPPORT A CHILD. and neigther can most abortionists.

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ofcourse u regret it later in life
just like when you're child gets into drugs and joins a gang, you regret ever having him/her?

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(maybe a perfectly good baby)
no, NOT a perfectly good baby, becasue as i have already explained, babies put up from abortion are from

the poorests areas, in the worst conditions. NOT a perfectly good baby.

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babies are innocent til thy come in the world!! until thy strt seeing & experiencin things!!!

seriously killin a perfectly innocent baby???
yes, babies are innocent. but if you PUT them into a bad environment, which you do in cases of most

obortionists, they grow up with the experiences of the neigborhood and area. its not the baby's fault

you grow up in the ghetto and your mother has to be a prostatute to put cereal on the table. but hey, at

least you can spend all your time in the back room huffing paint, right?

:plain:


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"I rather die on my feet, than live on my knees -- Emilliano Zapata"
omg that quote is about mexican pesants rising up against the spanish republic. NOT about baby's rasing

up against impossible odds.


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and as for an 11 year old girl giving birth if she can't have the baby she shouldn't be messing around in situtations where she could get pregnant anyways.

u do the crime u do the time thats how is and thats the same thing with having sex. u wanna mess around

be ready to take responsiblity.
RAPE

its not the womens fault, nor the child. you're only 11, right? is it the baby's fault you cant sustain it? no.


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most ####orns r adopted right away for there aren't many of those most kids who r moved from foster home

to foster home r those that come into the system a bit older.
posts some facts backing up that BS.

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now how many of you pro-life people still want kerry to win.......


thats one of the main reasons I dont like kerry, cause he is pro-choice


kinda hypocrytical....
yeah, whats even more hypocritical is when you vote for a "pro-life" person who spends most of his time and money plotting on how to kill other people.

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Vf is only fifteen, and the girl is only eleven, which means, they have no means of supporting this child. Oh, and Vf's parents are crack heads, so they won't be able to assume responsability for their childs actions.
its like you're reading into my memoirs! no wait-

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that child could be the the first person to walk on mars

that child could be our greatest president

that child could find a cure for cancer

that child could also be a serial killer
that last option is bold for a reason.

but more then all of those, the baby will grow up being a poor low life living off the government going bad deeds done dirt cheap.

tell me the name of one great leader/person who was born in poor/ghetto environemts. cant do it, can you?


i would quote and rebutalize your posts but most are just "aww... its just a baby! how sad." or just redirect already posted and rebutalized by me, or just usless and retarded.

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 08:25 PM

natured or nertured is the question here ur being sterotypical when u say someone from the streets will grow up and be a ganster or thug on the streets because thats where they came from not true u get ur rapper straight out the hood never had a cent in his name and he's now a multi millionar yeah highly not likely to happen but it does not every child born in the ghetto ends up in the streets were all different we all see the world differently and that quote i don't care where i came from what it impiles is to try u rather try then live a life with choices made for u and that relates back to the baby issue of not giving them a chance and u don't know that they'll not want to live thats their choice and most who don't want to live commit suicide by themself no need to help them out but thats up to them wether they live or not no one should have the power to rob another of life and u think i don't knowbecause i come from a good neighbor hood and stuff like that i worked for everything i got from nothing i came from nothing like everyone else and yes i know what it's like to come into close contact with abortion my sister nearly made that choice once i didn't let her my neice is the best mistake my sister ever made and it doesn't change anything some school nights i'd have to stay up till 2 am because she's crying and my sister stressed out tired of her crying but every time i look at my neice i'm glad that she's there and things weren't always all good but being a parent has it's rewards it's not an easy job but it has it's ups and downs just like life so don't tell me i don't know how it's like to come from a ghetto i came from a place thats worse then what u guys call the ghetto no stores no electricity no running water to a country i didn't speak single word of the language and i'm doing fine u live u learn u make ends meet

coolkilla 10-07-2004 08:27 PM

Vf abortion has nothing too do with being poor...Some teen mothers that come from good wealthy families still do have abortions..Are you saying that you are against a rich person having an abortion but you are not against a poor person having an abortion?..isnt it still the same thing...Arent they both still killing a human being...If you cant give that child a good life then you put it up for adoption just so it can have a chance too live its life!...When the child is 18 he is able too leave those adoption agencies so he can start his/her own life..THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT TOO ABORT A CHILD JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SUPPORT IT SIMPLY FIND A FAMILY FOR THE CHILD BEFORE YOU HAVE IT
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girlNferno666 10-07-2004 08:38 PM

u want proff of how many parents of waiting for a ####orn baby to take home u have a whole search eangine of it go ahead and search all u want i'm sure theres over thousands waiting to take home a baby be my guess to search all u want :P vf :P thoustands upond thousands :P no need for abortion

http://adoptionnetwork.com/waitingfa...cid=C13083x019

Virtual Fighter 10-07-2004 08:51 PM

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here ur being sterotypical
no, im being factual. fact is, if you're from a poor neigbhorhood, you're life'll suck more. i know this, i know it because i've experience it.

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when u say someone from the streets will grow up and be a ganster or thug on the streets because thats where they came from not true u get ur rapper straight out the hood never had a cent in his name and he's now a multi millionar yeah highly not likely
note, you say the word rapepr. so the flip what? rapping now days is so text book, all you gotta do is say bitches, hoe, and "got shot 9 times" to make a selling record. if you were to say "some of the most brilliant phycologists come from ghetto neighbor hoods" okay, now you have a point. but you dont. you just have a rapper who made it. if that rapper were dead (which he might just be in a while, since rapeprs do promote violence in thier lyrics) the world would be the same place. the only rapeprs i know who made a difference were public enemy. and those are the one who "died on their feet" instead of all the others who are gonna "live on their knees" since you insisted in bringing an outside nonrelative quote into this.


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to happen but it does not every child born in the ghetto ends up in the streets were all different we all see the world differently and that quote i don't care where i came from what it impiles is to try u rather try then live a life with choices made for u and that relates back to the baby issue of not giving them a chance and u don't know that they'll not want to live thats their choice and most who don't want to live commit suicide by themself no need to help them out but thats up to them wether they live or not no one should have the power to rob another of life and u think i don't knowbecause i come from a good neighbor hood and stuff like that i worked for everything i got from nothing i came from nothing like everyone else and yes i know what it's like to come into close contact with abortion my sister nearly made that choice once i didn't let her my neice is the best mistake my sister ever made and it doesn't change anything some school nights i'd have to stay up till 2 am because she's crying and my sister stressed out tired of her crying but every time i look at my neice i'm glad that she's there and things weren't always all good but being a parent has it's rewards it's not an easy job but it has it's ups and downs just like life so don't tell me i don't know how it's like to come from a ghetto i came from a place thats worse then what u guys call the ghetto no stores no electricity no running water to a country i didn't speak single word of the language and i'm doing fine u live u learn u make ends meet
okay, this one time i went to the store and i was like buying some cheetos, and i like payed the guy. me and my frreinds, we like were chilling for hours, just talkign about stuff we've beent hrough and stuff. my freind had to go home, so we did. we went home and started playing nintendo. my freind robert kicked my ass at tony hawk! i later found out it was because he put in a cheet code. we then ate pizza and we went to sleep. when i got up for school the next day, i put on my clothes and i was out the door. i turned in my homework, which was kinda hard.

hmm... i notice that had little to do with my argument and was neigther here nor there... im gonna try not to burst out into stories that have nothing to do with the topic...

maybe you should follow my lead.


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Vf abortion has nothing too do with being poor...Some teen mothers that come from good wealthy families still do have abortions..Are you saying that you are against a rich person having an abortion but you are not against a poor person having an abortion?
yes, i am against that. becasue those who are rich are just lazy mother flipers living off their parents and flip but dont want children. they're not in a crisis, they can support a child but just dont want to. dont get me started on the rich.

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for adoption just so it can have a chance too live its life!
didnt i just fliping go through this?! i already stated reasons WHY adoption isnt this miricle option you people deam it to be. read my posts, and read them more carefully next time, you might learn why you're wrong.

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...When the child is 18 he is able too leave those adoption agencies so he can start his/her own life..
and work at burger king for minnimum waige, go home to his appertment for the holydays, have few freinds and very few people that love him/her. why? because he/her have NO family, NO money, and NO where to go. do you still think adoption is such a great thing?

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THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT TOO ABORT A CHILD JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SUPPORT IT SIMPLY FIND A FAMILY FOR THE CHILD BEFORE YOU HAVE IT
oh yes, "find" one. liekt hey just come out of thin mother fliping air?


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oh yeah, you totally beat me, jackass. -_-'
is it just me or is this what people say when they realize they are too dumb to continue debating?

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u want proff of how many parents of waiting for a ####orn baby to take home u have a whole search eangine of it go ahead and search all u want i'm sure theres over thousands waiting to take home a baby be my guess to search all u want :P vf :P thoustands upond thousands :P no need for abortion
do you know how long on average it takes to adopt? 5 years. 5 years of filling out paper work and going through lawyers.

i saw a story on 20/20 about a family who waited 13 fliping years to get their adopted child. 13 YEARS! the dude was fliping 17 by the time the papers went through.

yes, there are "thousands upon thousands". but think... how many want YOU? are they looking for a child, or are they looking for a child based on hight, weight, race, age, and so on. because i've seen a documentary stating that white children get adopted quicker then minoritys. now, think which race is the richest. white people, no? now, think which economic demographic has more abortions. minorities, no? now, if we were all to give them up for addoption, there would be many more minority children then white children, where the children are on the top of the list.

not only that, but just how there are "thousands of thousands" of applicable parents, there is (as stated in the census 94,000 children needing a home. now, if we were all to give up abortions, (there is 1,200,000 fetuses aborted every year) the number would be 1,294,000 children waiting for lets say- 10,000 parents to give them a look.

thats a 12:1 ratio, there are 12 children waiting for adoption for ever 1 person looking to adopt.

still think we all have a place to go to when we are put into adoption?

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 09:02 PM

umm vf some families take home more then one :P so it doesn't matter if it doesn't add up a family consist of more then one child per family and as for minorities being wanted less thats not true for some families intentionally want a white baby but after spending time with a black or hispanic baby get attached so minority babies do get adopted just as much

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 09:04 PM

and as for the time consumming of taking up to 5 years and stuff not really it all depends on what agencey u go through and stuff and thats y u start before the babys even born and while the paper works being finalized the baby or kid thats being adopted is already living with their adopted parents so ur 5 year statment doesn't really matter yes adoption papers take 5 years to complete but during the process of it the kids already living a good life with the adopted family

Virtual Fighter 10-07-2004 09:09 PM

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so it doesn't matter if it doesn't add up a family consist of more then one child per family and as for minorities being wanted less thats not true for some families intentionally want a white baby but after spending time with a black or hispanic baby get attached so minority babies do get adopted just as much
oh REALLY? show me some articals, or proof. because seems to me you are just reporting what you THINK is what is happening and not on what you know.

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and as for the time consumming of taking up to 5 years and stuff not really it all depends on what agencey u go through and stuff and thats y u start before the babys even born and while the paper works being finalized the baby or kid thats being adopted is already living with their adopted parents so ur 5 year statment doesn't really matter yes adoption papers take 5 years to complete but during the process of it the kids already living a good life with the adopted family
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. you CANNOT live with someone before they legally adopt you. you CANNOT fill out an addoption for for a person who is not born yet.

PLEASE, quit making up facts and start giving some PROOF.

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 11:51 PM

vf i know more about this then u ur what some 15 year old thinking u know what ur talking about i know what i'm talking about all u need for them to legally live with u is the birth parents signature on a few documents as for the adoption to be finalized that might take time to be processed to show that the child is now a part of the family and stuff so they can be claimed under the new parents insurance and all that other stuff but thats about it so yes the adoption won't be finalized for a while but legally with the birth parents signature on the cusdity papers they're allowed to live with the adopted parents

girlNferno666 10-07-2004 11:52 PM

and the only one making up stuff as they go along is u no where have u posted up any links or anything just a bunch of stuffutyped up back ur ur proof with more then ur typing vf and don't say u copied stuff i want to know where u got it from just like u want to know where i get everything i read from so give me some ofur proof too or stop ur bsing with me too i aint got time for ur bs poop :p so stop wasting my time and everyone elses that is aint abortion

--(- 10-08-2004 12:14 AM

[quote:post_uid0="Orlando0"]I'm with Kester. It's stupid really. End the suffering before it starts? BAH! Excuses. Let it live and put it in adoption or something. Abortion? That's for wusses, losers and idiots. It's your fault if you have the baby.

Heck, it could live a good life even if you are the worst parents on earth.
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dubya tee eff? do you even know what your talking about?

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Abortion? That's for wusses, losers and idiots.
look fool, not every family is the fcuking brady bunch, do you know what its like to be brought up in a broken family? into a place where security and the neccesities of life can not be provided? a place where a loving and caring eviroment may not be garunteed? and yet you wonder why people go around schools with guns shooting down other innocent people because they never felt the correct nuturing needed or were never taught morals and whats right from wrong? pffft look at everyone saying "no dont kill that energy you have no right you cant do thaT blah blah fcuking blah", having a baby is a hella lot more then just saying "yep im going to keep it" end of story, theres so many things to consider and think about its only natural some ppl may not want it, and abortion is there chance to not.


....pro-abortion.

limbei 10-08-2004 05:46 AM

I am a strong supporter of prolife activities. Man can never accomplish God's will by their actions 100% succesfully and never will...
Many experts believe that abortions have evolved a long way from the sacrificial rituals. The spilling of innocent blood becoming increasingly widespread may be reason for the increasing influence of the Paganistic Movements. In any case, this is bad...
I believe an embryo once formed is the smallest form of living materials with the capability to specialise into Humans. Hence, they should have equal rights as any ofus, yes even with the woman's 4th amendmant rights of privacy as stated by SolidSnake76. We have not attributed less rights to mentally handicapped ind. hence why should embryo have not rights to live their own life?
Even if the situations are very harsh on the parents, many believe that abortions should be avoided so as not to destroy a sacred life so easily. Instead, the best alternative is to give the child up for abortion.
If we allow abortion, can anyone be responsible if future generations have abortions as commonly as divorce cases are presently?

Virtual Fighter 10-08-2004 08:25 AM

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Instead, the best alternative is to give the child up for abortion.
you're damn right.

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ur what some 15 year old thinking u know what ur talking about
so? so what if im 15? i sure as hell know alot more then most people, and as i have stated before, i know about this subbject. i have close relations with abortionists, AND i know my research. i've taken this subject 3 years in a row as my debate team project, and won every debate. i KNOW my facts, and i know them well.

ill give you the title of a book which i memoriezed most of my statistics from:

"Double sided blade: abortion in america" by david lopez
"the abortion debate" by doress vinez.
and i forgot who wrote it, but it was called "the hsitory of abortion"

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that might take time
like 5 years?

did you know that legally, you can invite the adoptee for a visit to your house. but, if you take him or her out of the try county area, like if you wanna go to sea world, but you live in LA and its in san diego, you lose the chance to federally adopt the child.

i saw this story in 20/20, exactly like this. the parents have been filling out papers and such for 2 years already. they invited the child for his first visit, and they took him to sea world. they lost the chance to adopt him because they took him out of the try county area.

its NOT as easy as you think it is. i knwo this for a fact, my cousin adopted. yes, adopted succsessfully, but it took her 4 years to find a child, measure it up to her expectations (which was fliped up) and fill out forms.

oh, and next time try to make your post more grammer effective, because im having a VERY hard time reading/analyzing your posts.


imbei, you're post was alright. it gave good points! it gave a good outlook on life.

buT, not everyone is like you. not eveyone loves their children, and not everyone will care for them. not EVERYONE CAN care for them.

picture this:

you grw up in the ghetto all your life, dropped out of college. your father beat you as a child so you are violent twords men. the only man you really love is your boy freind, and wht better time to prove it! he inpregnates you. you have no money, no job, no education, and the only thing you have is your boy freind. you give him the news! two days later he is in another state, in an undiscloed location.

not only that, but you figure out your baby is a boy. its the first try mester, what should you do?

a) put it up for adoption. you just know it'll get adopted quickly. (like in his first 15 years of life)
b) live with it, and ruin both his life and yours.
c) dump it in a dumpster. no one has to know.
d) abort is before it is ever bon, before it has a chance to experience your life and your problems, and before you ruin yours even worse.

i would choose D. you KNOW life is gonna be rough, and you KNOW it'll be even rougher on you. you have read up on abortion. no pain on the baby's life, and it is before the baby has permanent nerves and before the brain has fully developed. it is not an official human yet, it is a fetus. this is not killing the president here, this is giving the baby back before you and your terrible world currupts him even more.

for many people, this IS the only way out. im not saying it's easy, eigther. its really fliping hard on you. but i think, if it was up to me i would rather let me suffer a bit then let the aby suffer alot.

Saijin_Ryu 10-08-2004 09:16 AM

Seriously, i cant believe some of you are so opinionated about abortion,

some of you are what 12-14, and even tho discussing between yourselfs is nice, but whats the point?

None of you know all the technacalities that would come with having a child aborted..

So your just rambling on things you have little substance for.. basically smart rambling.

Im not trying to stop this nice parade ofunimportant discussion, but would'nt it be nicer to talk about games/exc..

LoL, aportion, you kids..

--(- 10-08-2004 09:22 AM

^^ obviously this topic is uncomprehendable for him.

Saijin_Ryu 10-08-2004 09:32 AM

^^ obviously, you lot know nothing of this subject, and it can be VERY personal to some people..

oh and shhhh..

blanka09 10-08-2004 11:43 AM

Well, here's how I see it. Abortion is a quite unhealthy practice and it's very dangerous for the woman performing it. And as VF would say.. I too know the ropes of this so-called termination process... and from what I can say, it's not a very wise choice to go with. Too many things could go wrong from just one abortion.

but does that mean I want a bill passed by the legislature that calls for every doctor, nurse or hospital in general that practices abortion to be closed down and members put in jail?? I don't think so.

Everyone has his/her own reasons for doing one thing or the other. You can't actually say why a girl would want this fate for herself.. but I believe every action isn't without reason. As AND1 put, it might be the fear of having to race the child.. or the prospects of being alone.. or one reason or another that might cause a girl to perform this act. However stupid and unreasonable her reasons are, I believe it's up to her and those around her to either help.. or in any case make the decision. There are many who don't know the details and as the bible says, "My people die because of lack of knowledge" (from the Supreme Being himself)... it's this lack of knowledge that would actually allow them to put themselves in a situation to make a decision of either giving birth, or committing murder (even though it's still a foetus.. that "thing" might grow up to shake the world).

Unfortunately, this is not an "ideal" world. Everyone isn't living in a happy go luck neighborhood where things flourish and everyone's happy.. not everyone can be sure of tomorrow sunlight.. or having food by the table to eat. I've lived in a situation.. yes... me, where I had to use water from the well and toothepaste to feed myself. So I darn right know what I'm talking about when I say this world can be very harsh.

but saying that there should be no abortion allowed is just like forcing ur religion on others. Everyone complains when christains try to witness to unbelievers (heck I try to witness to.. but I'm not that good at it.. so yeah :biggrin: )... and if we rely on the principle that every man/woman has the power of choice in his/her hands (even God doesn't mess with the free will of a man - to an extent) then I believe this should be left in the hands of the woman.. or whoever is thinking of doing the abortion.

All we can do is tell them why this process is dangerous and not adviceable.. we're in no place to force our views on people who commit this act. It may cause a lot of complications.. but to some people, experience is the best teacher. And unless they actually experience the hardship of abortion and see how vile and disgusting the results are, they may never understand our preaching.

I can't actually say I'm a pro abortion individual or what not.. or pro life.. or whatever groups they have out there. I think abortion is a wrong process.. but I also believe every individual has the right to choose. That's what makes us who we are... our choices :biggrin:

Abdoun_bacK 10-08-2004 12:30 PM

i jsut got simple words to say...thier human not choices so treat the babies like humans because...THEY ARE!


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