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Okay, another thing i've been wondering/researching.
i think illegal immigrants should be accepted into the USA, and given full rights like residents. This nation was founded by illegal immigrants, persecuted because of their views from their other country, and yet, 300 years later, we have changed out ways, and patched up the constetution and changed our laws. why? immigrants are still as much a part of the united states today as they were 300 years ago. ill post some facts later. first, i wanna hear what you guys think. Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1098151990 |
why should they be accepted here ? i have a couple of reasons saying why they shouldnt.
-They'll take up so many jobs that other people might want to have. -They'll of course start getting homes ( which i dont blame them, they do need a roof over there head.)but other than that what if some immigrant takes the home of what your family always wanted and they just come and they take it, or any other homes ( not by force i mean, paying actually :D) - what if they'll cause problems in the community that they will be staying at ? you never know what might happen. - thats why they have Green Cards. -Other than that thats all i got, ill post more information i'll soon get. |
YEAH! lets just make it easier for them to smuggle even more drugs.
btw the pilgrims that settled here came over because their king was forcing his religion on them. if the illegal immigrants came to our borders because of a lack of freedom from their home county, then so be it......let them in. after thats what were all about.....spreading freedom |
My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish!
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aztecs got killed by the spainish.....blame them, not us "vickings" left by themselves......cant blame us for that (not saying you did) "chirstepher collumbu" (lmao) was like italian or somthin.....not one ofus. (personally, I also think he was a fool) pilgrims (christians persecuted by the king of england)....nah I doubt they killed any indians, I dunno Quote:
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First of all, I don't think drugs play as big of a factor in illegal immigration as you guys might think. Even if we outlaw all immigration drugs will still find there way into America.
And another thing, I came here from Russia because my mom married an American guy so I actually know alot about this stuff. I know alot of people who are here illegally. America grants student/work visas to people from other states. They allow those people to stay here for a certain amount of time, depending on why they came here. Alot of these people end up never leaving and that is what an illegal immigrant basicly is. And not some terrorist dude swimming over an ocean with a bag of coke on his back. These people are harmless and just strive for a better future for them selves and most likely their children. I feel very bad saying this but I think that, if anything, they should stop allowing this much immigrants to enter. America strives to seem as the richest and most successfull country in the world but the fact of the matter is we have more than 180billion dollars in trading debt. How do i know this? I take an economics class and let me tell you guys what I've learned has me tossing and turning at night. We owe to almost every single country that we are allied with! Their is an EXTREME deficit in work placement. We are in a very bad shape and if you don't believe me just try going out and finding a job that will atleast give you your basic needs. And do you know what one of the major causes of all of this is? The fact that America simply can not take any more people. Think of it like this. We are a balloon. That ballon is being filled every day. Did you know that an airplane sets in America every 45 seconds? Now lets imagine that latleast one person per every two planes is an immigrant. How many people is that per 24hours? How about 24/7? We are like a balloon. And as a ballon we are running out of space. Edited By Windarossa on 1098159719 |
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I hate them and its not because I'm republican its because I'm legal, the fact that they came here just to leave there country is bs to me, my mom went to america for 6 months so I never saw my mom for 6 months. We left our country because of many reasons mainly for better living conditions. So I am as you say a illegalist. If they want to work here, fine but they better do it legally.
Or here's a better way okay Right now there are millions that live in U.S. correct. but with an increase in population does many things. For instance if there are more ppl here then don't you think U.S. would be in the billions by now. Too many people = too much resources for them. Including, medical, foods, clothing, land, etc. Its not that its not a bad idea VF, but its too costly and too chaotic for a any country to keep up with. And the whole they'll work for less stuff, that would be useless because then they would be citizens which means they can just get better jobs instead of crappy ones. |
Illegal Imigration should not be allowed in the United States. Then that would be called "legal". Seriously, what is the point of a whole mess of people coming out of god knows where trying to make money in the United States just to go back to their poor ass country and give them the money they had made. Or even if they are trying to "start" all over again, how many of them come with a REAL degree to start all over again in the United States? Most of them cause trouble, here in Miami is full of cuban imigrants. And almost all of them just end up drunk off there ass and get themselves months in jail.
Not only that, but the United States already allows like 250,000 immigrants a year. That is more than enough. We can not have an overpopulated country especially if most of the immigrants are just going be poor as hell "the usual", with limited rights, (since they are not citizens), but with alot more freedom. And freedom in the United States has a whole different meaning than what the dictionary says it is. Now I think it is wrong for an Immigration bus to pick up some immigrants while they are waiting in the bus stops to go to work, but I don't see why they just don't go through Nationalism. It is not that hard, my family are from the Dominican Republic and they got here just fine. The United States is not like before, this is not a NEW COUNTRY. There are laws and they are trying to be more secure about who to let in. Lots of spies out there from different countries trying to see what we got. This is mostly for the country's safety. Even though we spy as well, I think it is more secure this way. And like I said before, going through Nationalism is not that hard. I don't really care what anybody got to say but this is how I feel. Edited By dominicankid098 on 1098159711 |
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]If the country is running out of money, get some more money, manage it better![/quote]
Get the money where? The government taxes us 30%, we owe unbelievable amounts of money to everyone! Where do you suppose we get this money!? I also don't think that the immigrants that are here should be granted citizenship. As citizens of America we are intittled to certain rights. These rights are being payed for by our Federal government such as welfare, SSI and workfare. We aren't doing to grand in that department either. Lets just say that all the people that work for check have to pay about 30% to the federal government for all the funds. What if all of these people became citizens... our government will end up taxing us 50% maybe even more. In order to pay for all of these people. Are you willing to pay 50% from your hard work to pay for some guy who came here, doesn't know the language and instead of having to go out and work munches off the welfare? I honestly don't think you would. We are already getting into wars with Iraq.. What do you think that whole thing was about? Well let me tell you it was money. This government is working its hardest and its still not managing. Its easy to say just find the money. Why dont you give a suggestion? Edited By Windarossa on 1098160045 |
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And like I said before. I don't care what you got to say because that is how I feel. You always think that what you got to say is "RIGHT" but not others will feel the same as you. Get real, no one revolves around what you have to say. Always trying to argue over the net. LMAO non social life bitch. Got anything else better to do besides sitting your ass down trying to debate than actually trying to make a difference?
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Hey if you think that everyone that looks at you thinks your illegal then that's your personal problem really not anyone else's.
Meh so what if the american's took texas it's how the world works in the past and present. Spain beat the indgenous people in Central America. Then the people took it back. Spain went to Philippines did the same thing but then they get kicked out then the American's tried it and then they get kicked out. Same with most of the other countries. It's how it works those who are willing to fite will keep going. Can you find jobs that can't work there because of the amount of workers. With an increase in population there will be a decrease in the amount of hours that people work (not a bad thing) but then that gives people less money because they have to pay all the other people to work, which is bad, unless there is a great decrease in prices for everything, which is good. Here comes the bad parts, jobs would be harder to get because of the amount in people that apply for it, a rise of taxes to pay for most things, education, and blah blah blah. Agricultural resources would soon go down because of top soil, prices would escalate, since U.S. makes alot of the food that is sent to other countries the money that comes from import taxes there has to be a balance somewhere. As of right now the U.S. can't do it unless the relations with Canada, Mexico are balanced. U.S. is trying to balance the cost of living in Mexico and other countries so that people won't have to come here for work instead they can stay where they came from. Hell if you can find a way that makes everyone happy the go for it but can't find a way too bad oh and here's the site for the amount of people can come into any country Immigration Act of 1990 PDF format http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/abo.../IMM99text.pdf |
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Actually to be honest.. My views are.. This is nobodies land.. It's Earth itself. If someone wants to go to a different coutnry, let them, as long as they Pay for it and do it tha right way.
And for ILLEGAL Aliens..? That'.. I don't know.. they're doing illegal poop, so they KNOW they're tha bad guy. but if they have enough money to get them a ticket to tha USA, then let them come in.. without any questions or Problems! And all you American suPPorters.. learn your facts before you tyPe! |
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its me against the government, all becuz of da' president // im messagin' these messages from texas to Republicans // they say the pigment of my skin in cases are irrelavant // the HELL it is, im hella pissed - they screwin' ova' Mexicanz // im tellin' them these jealous men aint bein' fair with hispanic men // A white-man trend ? No- Racist men, hatin' them for every-thing // Every sin us "spics" commit is no different then white man's sh!t // but White-man's pissed cuz mexicanz takin' jobs for less than them // bless them then.. they blinded fools - and they know not what they do // then again.. they ignite duels - and they show us hatred too // Hate dem' dudz', da' racist onez - that track us and harass our kind // MasterMinds are Neutral minded and plus they know wrong from right // Stop both kinds from taking sides, we aint no differnent deep inside // realize that hatred lies in people that jus hate they lives // they dont even know what the f*** they hatin' about me // all they know is we da' biggest minority and surrounding // over crowding the U.S of america with a quickness // Racists' better quote this, " I AINT OFFENDED AND I WONT QUIT THIS" // .....keystylez....bitch Holdin' it down fo' that $outh$ide... =) @Dominican ...dumbass you were gone for like what 2 years you just came back not to long ago so most ya damn posts are from a couple months ago...and you can ask DMX your on the forum 24/7 then i ask tekken does ur bro have a life?? ...he is like he just leaves the computer on while he is on the forum..:S Edited By MorpheusX on 1098214915 |
i think illegal immigrants should be checked till there is nothing more to check on their backgrounds. I mean the thought of people coming to american and not even being questioned, and living in america and going on with everyday life is pretty screwed up. I mean people should earn the right to be a citizen instead of barging into the country and starting over.
Now on history terms many civilizations were taking over or adapted to the superior countries. The Spanish got mexico and florida, later on the English go into China and start trade, the English go into India and give them technology but anger them by taxing.And the U.S. went to Japan and gave them technology but really didnt try and settle down or take any land. Basically immigration was taken regularly when Ellis Island and all those places were operating. but as we went on immigration occured less . However it was sorta different after World War II ,and Vietnam. Japanese americans were takening to what the government called" relocation camps" where they were kept because america had a stereotype that all japanese people were spies etc. After Vietnam , many people from South Vietnam fled to america because the communists took over. However when they came many americans had a similiar view on them like the Japanese americans during world war II. People come to america, to escape violence, lack of jobs, or just the freedom in america. |
can someone tell me what is meant by "illegal immigrant" and "green card"
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Mexican make da ###in economy :) without us it would be da great depression all ova... :laugh: and americans are just bitchin bout how how us mexicans are takin all da jobs cuz da ###in americans are just 2 LAZY us mexicans are hard workers biatches :cool: lets just say we are goin to be runnin things :buttrock:
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True, immigrants should come here without needing a greencard or any kind of bolony *not to say a badword*. My family came here from Mexico legally. Still even if they were unlegal I still think other should have a chance. We work more! Let me ask you this who's 60 year old grampa works as a mechanic? The war is the one to blame for having less money. While the other rich people bought their matha-trucking cars and stuff, the poor got poorer. Oh and VF has more posts than you dominican kid at least he makes a good point and is sometimes helps you unlike that Iplay2win thats just posts poop.
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can one of you tell me how or why someone is considered an illegal imigrant in the states and how they get a green card and what the green card does?
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ok i think i get it, more similar to canada than i thought.
ok so if your an illegal immigrant can you still get a job, own a home and so on and do you pay taxes? I think that they way it works whether people want to believe it or not it is like this. If you want a state to protect\govern\allow you to have rights, you have to become a citizen. In essence the state/country and the individual must meet halfway both agreeing on certain terms. For example: the governemt will enforce law, give you rights, protect those rights and so on, in return the citizen or person wanting to become a citizen must follow the set rules of that society, i think also the individual has to be productive in that society as well.The individual has to have a job pay taxes. I think what it comes down to is that if the individual and the government don't establish the rules and meet half halfway the individual in essence has no rights or protection and the government losses the productivity that that person can add to the whole. The question now is this, if the illegal immigrant doesn't meet half way regardless of the reason, should the government uphold any part of its end of the deal? |
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