[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]------------------------------------------------------------

No, in DB, they still used their ability to sense the opponent's ki, because when they're pulling off Zanzokens (after-images) and such, they can't exactly see nor hear where the opponent is going to be next. So no, you're not correct.

If they start a battle off with a Taiyoken, the opposition would be blinded for a few seconds, and knowing Vegeta, he'd just powerup a massive attack just to kill them (IE: Bikubang or Final Flash). Or, Kuririn can hit the Taiyoken, and then use a Kienzan, and that would be HIS plan, totally independent from any other plan they would have. Same thing would go if Tien uses a Shinshin no Ken to create clones, each uses a Taiyoken, and then have each clone use a Shin Kikouhou.

And I never said exploiting Goku's weakness for food would be invalid. Hibiki did. Earlier on, Hibiki said that no character personalities are valid in this debate, so Gotenks wouldn't be so cocky, Goku wouldn't be so cautious and forgiving, etc. Hibiki did this, well, because I said that in a NORMAL fight, Kid Buu wouldn't be teaming with Goku, and Akuma wouldn't be teaming with Ryu (etc, you get the idea) so Hibiki rid us of character personalities.[/quote]


If the DBZ fighters have a better fighting power than the SFers why would they use such strong combinations on weaklings........(I mean weak compared to there strongest warriors) ...why would they use such combinations you are explaining.

THEY WOULD NEVER START A MATCH THAT WAY NEVER!!!!! The DBZ fighters would sense there power levels then fight at partial strenght to see if any of the SF fighters are holding back....then if one of them could atleast stand hand to hand with one of the weaker DBZ fighters.....Yamcha,Tien,etc......then maybe those combinations would be used....

(Note:You already know this,but..I'm just restating it...Krillen would never use his signature death move Distructo Disc. Unless his opponent is far stronger than him....(Like almost everone he has battle....he didn't use a Distructo Disc on Guldo of the ginyu force....and his power level was way lower than krillens....besides there personalities....wouldn't allow them to finish someone with a dirty tactic you mentioned....)

I still believe that Tien was far stronger in the series than he was given credit for...

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]------------------------------------------------------------

No, in DB, they still used their ability to sense the opponent's ki, because when they're pulling off Zanzokens (after-images) and such, they can't exactly see nor hear where the opponent is going to be next. So no, you're not correct.

If they start a battle off with a Taiyoken, the opposition would be blinded for a few seconds, and knowing Vegeta, he'd just powerup a massive attack just to kill them (IE: Bikubang or Final Flash). Or, Kuririn can hit the Taiyoken, and then use a Kienzan, and that would be HIS plan, totally independent from any other plan they would have. Same thing would go if Tien uses a Shinshin no Ken to create clones, each uses a Taiyoken, and then have each clone use a Shin Kikouhou.

And I never said exploiting Goku's weakness for food would be invalid. Hibiki did. Earlier on, Hibiki said that no character personalities are valid in this debate, so Gotenks wouldn't be so cocky, Goku wouldn't be so cautious and forgiving, etc. Hibiki did this, well, because I said that in a NORMAL fight, Kid Buu wouldn't be teaming with Goku, and Akuma wouldn't be teaming with Ryu (etc, you get the idea) so Hibiki rid us of character personalities.[/quote]


If the DBZ fighters have a better fighting power than the SFers why would they use such strong combinations on weaklings........(I mean weak compared to there strongest warriors) ...why would they use such combinations you are explaining.

THEY WOULD NEVER START A MATCH THAT WAY NEVER!!!!! The DBZ fighters would sense there power levels then fight at partial strenght to see if any of the SF fighters are holding back....then if one of them could atleast stand hand to hand with one of the weaker DBZ fighters.....Yamcha,Tien,etc......then maybe those combinations would be used....

(Note:You already know this,but..I'm just restating it...Krillen would never use his signature death move Distructo Disc. Unless his opponent is far stronger than him....(Like almost everone he has battle....he didn't use a Distructo Disc on Guldo of the ginyu force....and his power level was way lower than krillens....besides there personalities....wouldn't allow them to finish someone with a dirty tactic you mentioned....)

I still believe that Tien was far stronger in the series than he was given credit for...[/quote]
You apparently did not understand, or chose to ignore, when I said that CHARACTER PERSONALITIES ARE NULL AND VOID IN THIS DEBATE. As in, you can't say "DBZ would start off at partial strength yadda yadda yadda", because that is their personality. Personalities are a no-no in this debate. As in, you can't say "Kuririn wouldn't use Kienzan etc etc" because, once again, you're talking about his PERSONALITY. This debate does NOT include the personality traits of SF or DBZ. Therefore, in this debate, Kuririn can indeed use Kienzan (what you dubbies call Destructo Disc) without warning.

You also apparently did not understand, or chose to ignore, when I said that THIS IS AN EQUAL-POWERLEVEL FIGHT. If this was not an equal powerlevel fight, DBZ would win within moments. The Z fighters (minus the humans) have powerlevels in the high hundred millions, a couple in the billions, while, judging from the power of the attacks of SF, the SFers have powerlevels far below 10,000 (Vegeta, with a power of 24,000 while using his Gyarriku ho, had the abilit to blow up the earth. None of the SFers have this kind of power.

Because of that, this is an equal powerlevel/range type of fight. As in, all of the fighters are about a few hundred million normally, and then they can increase in power with any transformations they might have. This includes the abilities to go Super Saiya-jin, and whatever power increase abilities that SF possesses.

You should carefully read that post, realize your big misunderstanding/mistake/whatever, and then post again should you choose.

DB"Z" wins, we can all give up now.... SSJ2 vegetto would be way too fast before Gill can heat the weather or freeze it. The other SF chaarcters can't do much except buy some time.

8 months jeez.... DB"Z" has one, and so has the people who supported it.

And just so this topic can end, I'll show you what the SF characters can onyl do against DB"Z" characters.


Adon: nothing

Shin Akuma: The DB"Z" characters are faster and have more chi power, even though Akuma split Ayers Rock in half, the DB"Z" characters can do much more.

Alex: nothing

Hugo: even with their great defense, he's just like Rikuum, and Rikuum was beaten.

Balrog: nothing

Birdie: nothing

Blanka: nothing

Cammy: nothing

Charlie: Though his sonic booms are as fast as the speed of light, and are like the slice of a kitana blade, and the fact that he can chuck so mmany without wasting much energy, the DB"Z" characters that are faster than the speed of light will take him down.

Chunli: nothing

Cody: nothing

Dan: nothing

Dee Jay: nothing

Dhalsim:

Dudley: nothing

Eagle: nothing

E. honda: nothing

Elena: nothing

Fei Long: nothing

Geki: nothing

Gen: his assasin techniques wont work since he's not fast enough to tuch the DB"Z" characters.

Gill:

Guile: he's a lesser version of charlie

Guy: nothing

Ibuki: nothing

12 dolls: nothing

Joe: nothing

karin: nothing

Ken: nothing

Lee: nothing

Maki: nothing

Makoto: nothing

M. Bison: he'll put up a tough fight, but not one that the DB"Z" characters would have to try their hardest

Necro: nothing

Oro: he's like the DB"Z" warriors, though I doubt he'd win if he was teamed up against, especially since theres a lot of many strong DB"Z" characters, and a few strong SF characters

Q: he has self destruct, but I doubt its powerful enough

R. Mika: nothing

remy: nothing

Retsu: nothing

Rolento: nothing

Rose: though she has powers of reflection, and illusion, she can easily be taken down, VERY easily, as easy as Charlie.

Evil Ryu/Ryu: nothing

Sagat: nothing

Sakura: nothing

Sean: nothing

Sodom: nothing

T Hawk: nothing

Twelve: He's like Buu, but a weaker version(powers wise, and speed wise)

Urien: He has the powers of wind/lightning, and earth. His body is made up of Iron, he can also make a reflector, still the DB"Z" characters won't have much of a problem beating him, though he would put up a better fight then Charlie.

Vega: nothing

Yun and yang: nothing

Zangief: nothing

basically, it'd be Dhalsim, Gill, Oro, and Twelve vs the rest of the DB"Z" cast

Twelve can be beaten since he's a lesser form of Buu(any Buu, doesn't matter which).

Dhalsim is really strong, since he can teleport, control minds, and destroy them, but he doesn't have experience in fighting, so he'll lose

Oro like I said before is like a DB"Z" characters, but whats good if theres a lot vs a few?

and Gill... well the DB"Z" characters will beat him with their swift movement


So there, DB"Z" wins......

dragon ball would definitely win. if they could destroy a planet they could easily kill them

[quote:post_uid0="Disasta"]dragon ball would definitely win. if they could destroy a planet they could easily kill them[/quote]
That's been said a hundred times already..

I meant sound, not light... my mistake.

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Yep, DBZ's won. [/quote]
98 pages....I'd say it's about damn time.

No... this... can't be...