May you please tell me how to make a picture above your name? Im new around here. please tell me. :(

Why do some of you keep referring to the Japanese names of DBZ characters? We aren't all DBZ gurus like you, ya know, so quit showing off. Anyways...

I am biased towards Street Fighter, and I STILL say DBZ would win. Not because I like the characters/story better (and I don't), but just because the DBZ characters are so ridiculously strong. In DBZ, for example, characters like Cell can be attacked by an entire army, shot with missiles, and not even get scratched. Do you think Ryu could do that? Of course not. Street Fighter characters can't fly, they can't move as fast as DBZ characters, and they aren't as powerful as DBZ characters. Frieza could blow up entire planets. Do you think Guile could do that? Is there even anything to debate, really? Anyone that's watched DBZ for any length of time would understand that SF characters don't even stand a chance.




Now, having said all that, I leave you with the typical DBZ battle (once you've seen one, you've seen them all)...

Krillin: Oh, no! A new foe, bent on world domination, who's even more powerful than the last one has appeared! Uwa! Uwa! Uwa! (whining in fear :D )

Piccolo: We had better train for 10 episodes straight, while this new foe destroys the planet!

Goku: Don't worry, we can just use the hyperbolic time chamber!

10 episodes later...

*Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan step out of the hyperbolic time chamber*

Bulma: Wow, you guys glow even brighter than before!

Piccolo: This... power... is unlike anything I've ever felt!

Krillin: Uwa! Uwa! Uwa!

Gohan: With our powers combined, this new foe bent on world domination doesn't even stand a chance!

Vegeta: Powers combined? You pathetic weakling. I will destroy this N.F.B.O.W.D. with my bare hands! I don't need your help, stupid boy.

*Vegeta, Goku, and Gohan fly to the scene, where our N.F.B.O.W.D. is destroying some city*

N.F.B.O.W.D.: Who are you guys?

Vegeta: I am the Prince of all Saiya-Jins, once again! I've come to destroy you. Heh, heh, heh.

N.F.B.O.W.D.: Destroy me? Mwahahahaha! I'd like to see you try, foolish creature.

*Vegeta and our N.F.B.O.W.D. have a staring contest for an entire episode, while the veiwers are subjected to pointless dialogue from King Kai, Master Roshi, Piccolo, Krillin, and others that have nothing to do with the battle, then Vegeta proceeds to kick his ass*

Piccolo: Amazing. Vegeta's moves look exactly the same as they did during the last fight with the former N.F.B.O.W.D., and yet he's kicking his ass! I guess those 10 episodes of training paid off!

King Kai: Why doesn't Vegeta finish him? He's had several opportunities over the course of the last two episodes!

N.F.B.O.W.D.: Argh! It's not fair! I'm not at full power yet!

Vegeta: You're pathetic. I'll bet even Krillin could beat you. Heh, heh, heh.

N.F.B.O.W.D.: You mock me! You wouldn't be saying that if I was at full power! Let me absorb Gohan, and you'll see!

Vegeta: Go on and absorb him then, maybe then I'll have a decent challenge.

Gohan: Arrrrrrrrgh!

King Kai: Oh NO!!!!! Gohan has been absorbed!

Krillin: Uwa! Uwa!

Piccolo: Oh no! This power... is unlike anything I've ever felt before!

Vegeta: Finally. Some decent competition. Heh, heh.

*N.F.B.O.W.D. practices some cheasy punches and kicks in the air, while Vegeta runs his mouth about how great he is*

Vegeta: Now let's just see what you can do.

N.F.B.O.W.D.: Gladly (with a huge, cheesy grin).

*Vegeta gets his ass kicked*

King Kai: Dammit, Vegeta pulls this sh!t every time! He could have finished him 2 episodes ago!

Vegeta: How could this be? I am the Prince of all Saiya-Jins!

N.F.B.O.W.D.: You are nothing.

*Vegeta goes berserk and throws countless fireballs at our N.F.B.O.W.D.*

Vegeta: (panting) Finally, it's over.

*The smoke from the fireballs clears, and our N.F.B.O.W.D. stands there, without a scratch*

Vegeta: ARRRGH!

N.F.B.O.W.D.: Hey, what's that over there?

Vegeta: What? (turning his head)

King Kai: Oh NO!!!!! Vegeta is being absorbed!

Vegeta: ARRGH!

*3 minutes later*

Piccolo: This... new power... is unlike anything I've ever felt before!

Krillin: Uwa! Uwa!

Goku: Well, it looks like it's just you and me.

N.F.B.O.W.D.: You cannot defeat me. Your powers are no match for mine!

Goku: Time to take it to the next level.

*Goku now reveals that he had the ability to go to SSJ3 the whole time*

Piccolo: Goku's... power level... is unlike anything I've ever felt before!

Krillin: Uwa! Uwa!

Yamcha: Goku sure has gotten strong! I wouldn't mind sparring with him again, someday...

*N.F.B.O.W.D. and Goku have a staring contest for the rest of the episode, while the viewers are subjected to pointless dialogue from King Kai, Master Rochi, etc.*

Narrator: Will Goku be able to defeat our N.F.B.O.W.D. with his new abilty? Stay tuned, for the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z!

:p

it only sounds gay and stupid like that cause funimation censored it and screwed up the whole thing. in the japanese version, it is way better.

i like the english version :p

Yea in that version vegeta sounds....forget it.

I'll debate this later, but there is a lot of cleaning up to do....

Did i miss sumthing ...cause u said u will never come back

[quote:post_uid0="PARADISE-X"]Did i miss sumthing ...cause u said u will never come back[/quote]
I didn't say I wasn't coming back, I just said I wouldn't post for a long time... but since Mastaq told me about the game going into a suspended animation, I had to help the game that I spent over one year of my life on.

Besides, I tried exploring life, but the people are sad(and I don't mean the frowning way).

As always good point Troy. How could a SF even contend with a saiya-jin? Especially when they are so flipin fast? MAYBE Evil Ryu could do decent damage to them. But other than that I agree with Troy. On second thought ... how would Bison fare against SSJ3 Gotenks? ???

Very true. The Japanese version has the ACTUAL character names and attack names, unlike the gay-ass English version.

The english version is the gay-ass watered-down DBZ. In case you dont' watch the Japanese versions, lemme give you some reasons why the english version sucks. First off, they change the names of various characters and attacks. Heres a few examples:

Original Japanese Name Gay English Name
Shunkan Idou Instant Transmission
Genki Dama Spirit Bomb
Room of Spirit and Time Hyperbolic Time Chamber
Super Saiya-jin 2 Ascended Saiya-jin
Hell Home For Infinite Losers
Heaven Other World
The Afterlife The Next Dimension
Mr. Sataan Hercule
Gyuu Mao Ox King
North Kaio-sama King Kai
Dai Kaio-sama Grand Kai
East Kaioshin Supreme Kai
Rou Dai Kaioshin the "other" Supreme Kai
Makankosappo Special Beam Cannon
Kienzan Destructo-Disk
Taiyoken Solar Flare
Muten Roshi/Kamesennin Master Roshi
Tenshinhan Tien
Buruma Bulma

Second off: they alter what the characters say. For example:

Japanese Version
After the Rou Dai Kaioshin is freed from the Zet Sword, Goku tries to bribe him with Porno magazines. That failing, he says he'll allow the Rou Dai Kaioshin to touch a girl's "tits and ass".

English Version
After the Rou Dai kaioshin is freed from the Z Sword, Goku tries to bribe him with swimsuit magazines. That failing, he offers the Rou Dai Kaioshin a date with Bulma.

see the difference?

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Nice point, SBYRD5. However, one of the reasons Mr. Popo was able to fend off Goten and Trunks in training is because he is immortal, he cannot die. So he isn't that strong at all physically, but i guess due to his immortality he can block some attacks. And according to my guesses, SSJGoten and SSJTrunks were prolly even in power with King Kold. But good point. That's the kind of good debating I'm looking for in this topic.[/quote]
Yes, that would explain a good bit,but remeber Garlic Jr. He was immortal,but piccolo kicked him around like he was nothing,and piccolo wasn't even fused with Kame at that time.

Now if SSJTrunks was infact stronger than SSJGoten.(At that time).Also the fact that there SSJ how could Mr.Popo even stand up to there power.He must have more power than they actually showed in the series by him being immortal he had plenty of time to perfect arts of fighting....,or it was a fluke by the creator.

I think it was a fluke by the creator.Now Mr.Popo was to much of a coward when Nappa and Prince Vegeta arrived at earth.Now we clearly stated that all the SSJ poeple and Piccolo could defeat the Street Fighters hands down.Now Piccolo is special he is only a little stronger than the powers of a level 1 SSJ Fighter because of his fusion with Kame.

Ok, Piccolo was evenly matched Android 17.Now 17 and 18 are about the same in power.Now robots stay at the same level of oppration unless the robot rusts or something else enterferres.As you noticed SSJTrunks(Not future Trunks) and SSJGoten fought Android 18 in the Adult Tournament...secertly. ;)

With both the boys together against 18...they seemed evenly matched.Now to the point of this post.After all of that said.The boys were at the level of SSJ 1.I think they were stronger than King Cold.

Now remeber Future Trunks only hit King Cold one time with his hands and crippled him.(Note:he was at level one).Now SSJTrunks and SSJgotens should've had the power in there kicks and punches to knock Mr.Popo out of Kames lookout.

Now you can clearly see that ome point in time Mr.Popo must of went through some training.Also the fact that he's immortal he would wipe the floor with the Street Fighters.OK i'm not going to post here anymore.

Well,if your into dbz go to this forum

http://lordgrobyc.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi

Nas you goof I'm a member there.

That never happened in the manga, therefore, it doesn't count. Those were only episodes. Toriyama never wrote the Garlic Jr. Saga, they were created by TOEI animation. And since Tarkan stated that we can't refer to anything that contradicts the manga, that claim goes unsupported

Because your Garlic Jr. statement is invalid, the immortality that Popo possesses must somehow give him enormous defensive capabilities. That's the only explanation

Toriyama made no flukes. Popo didn't participate in the battle with Nappa and Vegeta because of Kame-sama's death when Piccolo died. Kame asked Popo to stay and watch over earth in his absence. Therefore, he stayed at Kame's palace.

And yes, Piccolo (fused with Kame-sama) was stronger than Vegeta before Vegeta entered the Room of Spirit and Time. Therefore, that statement is valid. :D

Yes, Piccolo was even with Android #17. However, 17 and 18 were NOT about the same in power, it was stated that 17 was much stronger than 18. Therefore, had Piccolo taken on 18 before 17, 18 prolly would have been killed and Cell never would have gone perfect.

However, 18's power level did indeed rise. When Kuririn wished 18 back to life, he wished that she wasn't an android anymore. Because she was no longer an android, her power level max could have raised, and therefore would account for her holding up against Goten and Trunks

Because Toriyama didn't give out Kold's power level, all levels regarding Kold are subject to guesses. According to my guesses, SSJ Trunks was slightly stronger than Kold, and SSJ Goten was prolly around even to Kold. After all, Goku DID state that because Trunks was a year older than Goten, he prolly was stronger.

But like I said before: since the Garlic Jr. statement is invalid, the only explanation for Popo's huge defensive abilities must be the type of immortality he has obtained.

I guess that in the DBZ universe, there are three types of immortality. The first type is normal immortality (ie. Muten Roshi), in the fact that although he can never die, he is pretty weak. The second type (if you insist on using Garlic Jr.) would be Garlic Jr.'s type of immortality. Not only is he immortal, but he has excellent offensive capabilities, with lesser defensive capabilities. Then i guess there's Popo's type of immortality, with extremely weak offensive capabilities but excellent defensive capabilities.

Then the Z warriors listed will then power up blowing E Honda away.


i kN0w dAt iS s0 k001 11111

The weakest Street Fighter can beat her.

"I fly, but I waste all my energy within a short time"

"I can barely manipulate ki, but I faint after that"


Actually... SF storyline is better than DB"Z". After Freiza was beaten by Goku, that's where it all sucked. EVeryone turned SSJ, next thing you know, Chaotzu turns SSJ.

Besides Gill can detsroy the planet without really trying, and the SFers dont need to destroy planets to beat the DB"Z" characters


The Tekken fighters are just people with highly trained skills.

And actually SNK beats Capcom if you count Orochi, since only the people who weild the powers of the crimson flames can hurt Orochi. Other than that, Capcom beats SNK storywise.

That is game play wise, some SFers arent even at their best in the game... Akuma, Oro, Gill, Urien, and some others. And many times, or at least if the character is really powerful, comparably close to them, or above them, DB"Z" characters power up for a moment, and blast them.

I didn't say SSJ3 Goku moves faster than the speed of light, though he's close to it.


SF can increase ki too. Look at Akuma, and Oro, and Gill, and many others.

If their ki reaches 0, then they die, Goku's PL was above 1 which is for sure, he was just badly injured.

Why does everyone bring up Ryu losing to a character, when everyone should know Ryu is no where near the strongest....

That would be pretty dumb to self destruct against someone, even what he did against Nappa was dumb. Besides Ryu would just Denjin-Hadouken Chaotzu to stun him, then when its almost going to explode, Ryu runs away.

Nappa's PL wasn't given, though his max was near 7,500(which is what most experts put it at.)

Krillin beats Ryu, Taiyoken(blind eye attack), then Kienzan, but he never does it since it'll ruin the manga. Tenshinhan blasts Ryu with his Kikohou, Ryu's defense is as good as a buff(not VERY buff) martial artist. Even Yamucha can beat Ryu. Not sure abotu CHaotzu, he has bad defense, and he isnt fast.

I doubt Chaotzu ever passes 10,000, and the humans don't pass 100,000 IMO, except maybe for Krillin. And what do you mean by if Capcom gave PL's to SF, they would be 2000-3000? Gill crushes anyone with a walking stick.

take an english course.

Chaotzu never passes 10,000 in general.

He'd lose against the top tiers easily, don't know about the rest of the tiers(not including characters like Evil Ryu, Urien, Dhalsim, Rose, etc..)

Never happened in the manga.

He never trains in the DB, and DB"Z" saga ever.


Mr. Popo against little SSJ kids is filler. And King Kold is weaker than Freiza's second form when he just transforms.

SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten are almost even, and SSJ Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta a hard time, which SSJ Vegeta was strong as SSJ Goku in the Cell games, since Vegeta, and Goku reached the limit in power of SSJ, so the kids will dispatch of King Kold.


Troy88: well put, that is so true

He tried wishing that, but it didn't work, the he wished for the explosives to be removed in her body. She did give birth to Marron, but onyl because she has some biological parts in her, her PL though cannot rise.

my god... please, please... STOP THIS TOPIC!!!

and tarkan... heh, dude.. you watch too much T.V. ???

I'm merely using the power to destroy planets as a measure of their power. Most DBZ characters, SHOULD THEY WANT TO, could destroy a planet without even really trying. SF characters, on the other hand, prolly don't even have enough energy, SHOULD THEY WANT TO, to blow up North America

I say that Nappa's pl was around 4,000. His (max) of 7,500 you put him at is a tad high. However, I could say that he could have powered up for his mouth beam he shot at Goku, and therefore had a pl of 7,500 while shooting hte beam. But not during fighting. Goku owned Nappa during the normal fight itself

Chaotzu prolly did pass 10,000 by the end of DBZ, due mainly in part to North Kaio's training (though he didn't get far past 10,000). And I'm pretty sure that even IF Kuririn was the strongest human, that Tenshinhan would be very close to Kuririn in pl. Hell, I even think that Tenshinhan would defeat Kuririn in a fight

Thanks for clarifying that for us. I was suspecting that it didn't happen in the manga, due to the unexplanation of Popo's power increase in the anime

Tenshinhan stated that he felt Furiza's ki, then a ki even greater.

If you ask me, I'd peg SSJ Trunks at around 40,000,000, and SSJ Goten at around 37,000,000

Then how do you explain the fact that Android #18 successfully defended herself and held off both SSJ Trunks and SSJ Gotend during the Tenkaichi Budoukai?

It was never stated in the manga that Nappa's PL was 4,000, that's Daizenshuu, and Nappa didn't do a mouth beam. He was very close to 7,500 against Goku's max which is about 8,100. Even Vegeta said this would take days.

Let's see.. his PL was not too much over 1,000 when he came to the planet, he doesn't train in any specific motives(kaio-ken, Genki-dama), his PL doesn't get a high jump as comparably to the others.... If Goku got a 19x increase on Kaio's planet, Chaotzu should get much weaker, even though he spent more days. Kaio-sama didn't rigurously train them like he did to Goku, because he knew they weren't needed, I give him a 5x increase on average.

Not the Human debate again.... Krillin is stronger than tenshinhan at the end of DB"Z". Tenshinhan stopped training after Cell was detsroyed, he said he would never see them again.

Tenshinhan never said that.

Even though those PL's are very low, they are too far apart % wise at least make SSJ Goten 39 million by your PL's.

She defended herself against regular Trunks, and Goten(and was considerably winning), when they turned SSJ, she threw a Kienzan because she knew who they were.

Basically the only thing on TV I watch is CNN, and sports, I read the Dragon Ball comics... I only watch it on TV to see what funimation or Toei did wrong.

Then the mouth beam must have been anime-only. All I know is that when Vegeta said Gohan was at 2,800, Nappa reacted surprised. ALMOST afraid that he could get that high.

So did Kuririn. After the Cell Games, Kuririn stopped training.

Well, since there were no stated PLs, and considering the fact that Android 18 held off both goten and trunks during the Tenkaichi Budoukai, I'd have to say that each of them prolly were over half as strong as her, with Trunks being stronger than Goten. What would YOU peg Goten and Trunks at?

Same here. at least with the english version. the jap version is so much more accurate

dbz would win for sure streetfighter doesnt even have a chance goku and all the other saiyans can move faster than the speed of light and make huge kame hame ha waves 100 times bigger that a hadouken they wouldnt even have to go super to destroy streetfighter. :D :p

[quote:post_uid0="kingofhearts"]dbz would win for sure streetfighter doesnt even have a chance goku and all the other saiyans can move faster than the speed of light and make huge kame hame ha waves 100 times bigger that a hadouken they wouldnt even have to go super to destroy streetfighter. :D :p[/quote]
I'm kinda going against what I've been debating about, but whatever...

Just to let you know about Tarkan's knowledge concerning your post:

--none of the characters can move faster than the speed of light. In the Buu Saga, SSJ3 Gotenks can move at about the speed of light, but not faster

--it's called a "Kamehameha", not a "Kame Hame Ha Wave". the "wave" part proves that you just watch the english version on cartoon network and don't know about the japanese version or the manga

--the fact that they wouldn't have to go Super Saiya-jin is true...for some of the SFers. However, Tarkan has made some extremely powerful points proving otherwise concerning some of the Street Fighters and their attacks.

Just be careful what you say, because Tarkan will rip you apart

He trained for a little while during the 7 years, onyl for a little while, Krillin taught 18 the Kienzan attack.

I haven't gave PL's for them yet, I'm having trouble giving a PL for Semi-Perfect Cell. If someone can get me info to how much Cell increased by when absorbing 17(going by how Goku was shocked, and how 16's rampage didnt face Cell), please tell me.


dbz would win for sure streetfighter doesnt even have a chance goku and all the other saiyans can move faster than the speed of light and make huge kame hame ha waves 100 times bigger that a hadouken they wouldnt even have to go super to destroy streetfighter.[/quote]

Like Joe said, I'll go easy on you, next time don't do this.

I guess it's interesting to know this topic is still alive.

Well, like I've said before, you can't count on the animation. Wehn you see it on tv, Radizt could move faster than light. I say that because of the blur and then the sudden appearance in a different spot. It took me a while to hear that no one could move faster than light until the Buu saga. Krillin/Kuririn should be able to handle almost any Street Fighter. I don't know as much about Street Fighter than the experts here, so I can't really tell you who Krillin/Kuririn can't beat. Make a list of characters who would win against a list of SFers. Like this:

Gotenks: Everyone.
Gohan: Everyone.
Goku: Everyone.
Krillin/Kuririn: Ryu, Ken, many others.

Something like that. Just make it more accurate.

i think akuma or bison would probably stand a chance against kurillin

Dude, Ryu could own all the DBZ people, Ryu uses an attack thats like, 100x stronger than the spirit bomb Goku uses to fight Freza... Im pretty sure, that he could blow them up good:) and Ryu uses concentrated energy, its not all uber huge.

And if xmen were in teh fight, none of the dbz people would have a chance, only ryu... because Gambit can control all raw energies, so therefore all the DBZ peeps would die, and the Hadouken would be left standing.

I think it was more like Cell x .5 of Android 17's energy. But thats still prolly way off

First off, I don't understand why everyone thinks Ryu is the best SF. We've got ppl in here saying "ryu this" and "ryu that". Does Ryu have enough energy to be able to blow up a planet (if he wanted to)? I sincerely doubt that. If Ryu focused all his power into one attack, it may be enough to destroy Texas, but not a planet.

And X-Men mutant powers and Dragonball Z ki are two totally different things. The energy in X-Men are the energies produced by each person's specific mutation. The ki in Dragonball Z is a measure of a person's internal spiritual energy. When the Z Fighters shoot lazers, they're merely extensions of the user's own ki.

can't goku teleport anyways anyway at the beginning of dbz Gokus brother the one with long hair dodged one of gokus fireball and Goku and Piccolo said that he moved faster than than the speed of light and they are now way beyond him in power so i would guess they move faster than the speed of light. :D


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[quote:post_uid0="kingofhearts"]can't goku teleport anyways anyway at the beginning of dbz Gokus brother the one with long hair dodged one of gokus fireball and Goku and Piccolo said that he moved faster than than the speed of light and they are now way beyond him in power so i would guess they move faster than the speed of light. :D


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That's a false statement. Goku couldn't teleport until after he beat Furiza on Namek (he learned the Shunkan Idou from the Yardratt-jin).

Piccolo only said that Radditzu moved faster than the speed of light in the English version of the anime. As we all know, the English version sucks major ass. In the manga, Piccolo didnt' say anything, he was just shocked.

So, they can't move faster than the speed of light.

And I remember that a while ago, someone said that Gotenks can move faster than the speed of light because he circled the planet eight times in less than a second. I don't remember who you were, but that's also a false statement. He didn't do it in a sec, it took him 29 minutes, Piccolo says so himself. When Gotenks finished circling the earth and Piccolo tried to stop him from fighting Buu, he said he had less than a minute before the fusion wore off. And since we all know that the Fusion only lasts for 30 minutes, we can asume that it took Gotenks 29 minutes to circle the earth eight times

come on now sf wouldnt stand a chance they would be wiped out with 1 hit each it would only take vegeta or goku or gohan to destroy them alone goku ssj3s power level is 950,000,000 and if ryu had a power level it wouldnt even be over http://www.geocities.com/saiyanjinradditz/wgens095a.zip

i knew that i didn't say when he began to teleport ,but did not know about the english version being wrong :D


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this is my web page http://www.geocities.com/saiyanjinradditz/wgens095a.zip

Yeah...the english version renames everything. see my post at the bottom of page 33

Your site doesnt' work for one, and for two, why did you post that?

no


Do you even know how fast the speed of light is?


Yes almost any SF character.


Krillin is right, Gotenks is wrong, Gohan is wrong, and Goku is wrong.



ROTFL


every X-men character except Jubille would kill Ryu.


ehh... I think you meant 1.5x, anywho, I put him about 1.2x above Android 17 in his first form after absorbing the humans, but I know I'm wrong, I havent put a lot of thought in the Cell saga.



Texas is way off, his Shinkuu Hadouken fully charged should be able to maybe... destroy a car.


That was from the dub...


Argh I missed that page in the manga, so I guess Gotenks can't go at the speed of light, and that means that no DB character can go at the speed of light(except maybe SSJ2 Vegetto). Thanks Joe for pointing that out.


SSJ3 Goku's PL is not 950 million, don't know where you got that from.

:crazy:dbz because broly can destory everything when he turns ssj4 and goku,gohan,gotenks,goten,trunks,vegta,vegto,gogeta ,can all turn in to ssj3 or 2 or 4 or just ssj :D

Was Brolly even in the manga's?

So, who exactly are those few SFers that would stand a chance besides Gill? I'm so curious to find out...

Well, Tarkan, I do know how fast light is, well, not exactly, but its like 800,000 m/s...something around there. I'm saying that you can't count on the animation. I know that Radizt can't move faster than light...now. I was pointing out that the English version makes it seem the all of the Z Fighters move faster than light by the way they have the animation. You dont have to put almost in bold Tarkan. I'm not as SF dumb as you might think. As for the list, I asked for a more accurate one. That is nowhere near a good one to go by. PLease try to understand my posts better when you quote me, and watch the spelling...you make me look stupid. :biggrin:

Exactly. There are no stated Power Levels after the Furiza Saga. Who said that anyway?

Actually, I meant it was prolly like this:

Semi-Perfect Cell = Cell + .5 Android 17

Lol

No problem

dubya tee eff? First off, Brolli doesn't exist in the manga, so he isn't a valid character. Next off, SSJ4 was only in GT. Since GT was not made into a manga format by Toriyama, it is not valid in this debate. Gogeta was also only from the Movies and GT, and therefore is not valid in this debate

No, he was not. And I think Tarkan thinks that Bison would also stand a chance.

When you can't see them fight, just see blurs, that doesnt' mean that they're going the speed of light. The human eye can only see like 24 frames per second. Therefore, the characters in DBZ could be moving at 12 frames per second, not the speed of light.

and don't worry, Tarkan makes me look stupid sometimes too. His superior genious does that sometimes :D

himself(planet namek listed SSJ3 Goku at like 450 million, which is wrong for various reasons.

hmm.... I don't know what power up to give Cell after absorbing Android 17, there isn't nothing stated or something that gives me a good clue, other than ROSAT facts.


Gill, Bison, Oro, Akuma, Dhalsim, Urien(maybe), Charlie(maybe), Gen(maybe).

That list is not potential wise since Gen would be way up there at the top fighters, it goes by the ki manipulation or the "death" power the character has. For Example:


Gen hardly has ki manipulation, he's an old geezer, but his speed, agility, and reflexes make up for this, he knows which parts of a body to attack(since he's an assassin of course).

Dhalsim has a whole lot of ki manipulation, he can meditate your brain and then destroy it, he can destroy buildings by just thinking, the only problem is that he doesn't have fighting experience.

Charlie might be just another powerful air force member, but he has a lot of ki manipulation. If you get hit by his sonic boom, it's like the slash of a kitana hitting your body. He also has the power to throw out as many sonic booms as he wants to without wasting a lot of energy(unlike the kamehameha).

Urien is a maybe. He has the power of wind/electrity, and earthly elements. his body is harder than iron, he can make a mirror that protects himself(from most projectile attacks).


Shin Bison is VERY powerful, a whole lot of ki manipulation, he's like a mutant, his attacks hdarly take up any of his energy, because he himself is basically energy manipulation. he can levatate(so no need for walking), he can fly, power up, teleport to whereever he wants to, he can do what most of the DB"Z" characters do.

Akuma is not like any other martial artist. His attacks are very damaging, even a gou hadouken has the power to kill someone(his regular fireball). His special moves can kill someone. he can teleport(but not where he wanst to, his teleportation is more like how you see the DB"Z" characters in the anime(though that's just speed). His shun goku satsu(raging demon) kills the opponents souls, and sends them to hell, his kongou kokuretsuzan had the power to destroys Ayers rock(the biggest monolith mountain in the world located in Australia. His Tenshou Kareki Jin shown in his endings completely destroyed a huge ship.

Oro has a whole lot of ki manipulation, maybe even more than Bison. He had the power to live up to 150, and is still alive right now(Krillin 10 years after the Buu saga is growing grey hair). He has to use one arm to not accidently kill his opponents, and when he uses two arms(shown in his EXed supers), they create a whole world for power. His EX kishin riki grabs you, then while he's holding on to you, he jumps up to the clouds.... then drops you like a war bomb. His EX Yagyou-Dama creates an orbed fireball so hgue that they had to shorten it due to gameplay rules(like Akuma's horrible defense). His EX Tengou-stone
gets all the debree(papers, beer bottles, soda cans, rocks, etc...) in the world, and it gets all around him, much like how Piccolo has rocks swirling around him like atoms, though the game play weakens this.

I'm not that smart, I just like to pay attention to specific things that require a lot of thinking.

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]Goku's mom was never seen, and I don't know if Goku's father fought dodoria, since we never saw how planet vegeta was destroyed, it was just talked about.


Please slow down on the questions, if you want to know a lot about DB"Z", make a new topic.[/quote]
goku's father was killed by frieza his name was bardock ;)