ok...
i think we getting nowhere since whatever we say, you're just ignoring it and go on with your arguments !

i asked a question...
WHO CREATED GOD ?
don't answer me he just appeared out of nowhere and created us !

also...
you wanna talk about the bible being true...
then why is there a BIG BIG BIG GAP between ADAM AND EVE and the time the bible start ?

really, there is that 65,000,000 million years !
the dinosaurs, why isn't any PASSAGE about them in the bible ?
if the bible is everything, then why is it only about 800 pages when clearly the history of the different country itself is way more then those little 800 pages !

don't tell m the ORAL thing, cause it just prooves that i am right about the bible not being true entirely !

also...
# - YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IDOLS (remember the commandments ? that one is the perfect IMPOSSIBLE one. we made GOD itself an IDOL, by believing, offering etc... to him)

tell, answer those questions please and see how your believes about god doesn'T even cover those gaps !

one last thing... if god created the earth, then what about the other planets and galaxies ? what about the aliens and everything else ! basically i'm talking about the whole universe !

we've been talking only about the earth and us, but notice how religions doesn't cover the rest of the universe !
if i follow the religions, then there is a whole universe but only earth is worth the talk.

bullpoop...
religions doesn't cover the rest that is constituting the universe itself !

answer those questions please, or at least try to !


and scorp... who do you think you are to tell us that USA is better then any other country ?
my country (canada) was also based off religions, all countries in the whole world have started that way.
just look at the history of the different countries and see how all countries have that in common !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]ok...
i think we getting nowhere since whatever we say, you're just ignoring it and go on with your arguments ! [/quote]
Ok, time to get things straight...
Don't just say he appeared out of nowhere? Oh wait, how'd the big bang happen, everything that comprised it came from nowhere you say?

It's actually over 800 pages (I remember) unless it's got REALLY big pages and REALLY small font..

God created the earth.. you know the story :S
A higher angel (Lucifer) rebelled in heaven.. and was cast down, along with other of his cohorts.. (Satan and the demons :S) This, as many people say (Christians) caused the extinction of earlier species (before man), the Bible you could call a puzzle, as you have to fit pieces from information from all around it into one place to sometimes figure things out. Then it goes on to say the earth was "dark and without form" or somethin' like that.. lol, don't remember the exact phrase.. then He created man..

Don't be idiotical. How can they MAKE God an idol, the PURPOSE of man's creation, as in the Bible, is for God's pleasure (last time I remember reading)
'Cuz we don't NEED to know about the other planets, we have enough trouble with OURS. AND, when the Bible was written, did they even know about ANY other planets? Hell, most of 'em didn't even know the world was a sphere!



I wasn't saying that, sorry if that's the point I got across to you..
I meant to say, compare countries like the USA, England, etc..
to countries like China, countries in South America, etc



Edited By Scorponok on June 16 2003 at 23:52

Ok Elena/ScorP, if PeoPle Passed on stories.. then what about the Dinosaur times, where there WERE no PeoPle?
Did the Dinosaurs haPpen to find Ink and write stories while takin' a craP in the woods? Where was God then!?

And about your 800 Pages long book..
Yes, PeoPle Probably just write 'em for fun, I've seen LONGER Pages Books than that.

And common, are you actually telling me you believe in a book that you've never actually exPerienced?
Oh and in one of the sections in the Bible, didn't it say that the World was gonna blow uP at 2000?
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THAT!?
Did god make a Glitch in his game..?

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]And common, are you actually telling me you believe in a book that you've never actually exPerienced?
Oh and in one of the sections in the Bible, didn't it say that the World was gonna blow uP at 2000?
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THAT!?
Did god make a Glitch in his game..?[/quote]
heh well if your refering to the book of Revelations then you kinda got it mixed up, this section tells of the second comming of Christ it also says that no man shall know the time or hour in which this will happen. However Revelations does give some of the signs of the second comming Wars and Rumors of Wars etc. If you want i could post a few scriptures if you need more clearification :)

No.. No.. Please don't!
I'd rather not read it.

But it was my Science teacher who tol dme that there's a section in the Bible that says the World was to be Over in 2000!

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]No.. No.. Please don't!
I'd rather not read it.

But it was my Science teacher who tol dme that there's a section in the Bible that says the World was to be Over in 2000![/quote]
i am soooo sorry Z i dont wanna seem like im pushing you towards Christianity or anything. I just wanted to show you that the bible doesnt give a specific date of the rapture. *sorry again*
anyways im glad that there are some people in this forum who enjoy a good debate (although this one will never be resolved) :D people will believe what they want to....In my opinion the world is roughly made up of two types of people. Those who base there lives on Religion and those who base theres on Science.......

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]Ok Elena/ScorP, if PeoPle Passed on stories.. then what about the Dinosaur times, where there WERE no PeoPle?
Did the Dinosaurs haPpen to find Ink and write stories while takin' a craP in the woods? Where was God then!?[/quote]
If you actually read what it said, He gave humans priority over the other creatures.. intelligence wise, authority wise, and he gave us a soul :S

NO THERE WAS NOT

:alien:



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 01:42

Blossom, I also resPect your oPinion, and no need to aPology.

And i'm reallyglad you called me by my name "Z" ;], instead of saying asshole, my real name is "Zora", just incase you didn't know!


Oh and ScorPo, that's what I've heard!

be real will you...
that's writen in the book, when actually none of those who suposedly wrote the book at first weren't even in that war who hapenned around the dinosaurs era !

you mean to tell me that this is what you believe in ?
sorry, kinda hard to believe. according to the bible... it was writen around the time jesus died crusified for man kind !
anything before that time is considered legend cause there was nothing to proove that what was heard was real !

people just needed hell to happen and a way to make it happen so they created that ANGEL war so it can make sens !
in the bible, the one i always saw when i was young, it never had any passage about that war, hell it it was just about a few persons who hapenned to had met jesus !

so you tell me, that your life is to serve god while he laught at your puny little life ?
you tell me that we are existing so the god itself can look at us and laugh his ass off while you have all the hard work ?
even worst...
you tell me that we are the pets of god just we have dogs in our house !

sorry, i don't buy that #### !


it just prooves my point... so the whole god thing is centered around a simple planets when there are actually thousands of millions in outer space. don't you think that if god SUPPOSEDLY CREATED UNIVERSE we know (actually writen in the bible) then we would have stories about what happens on other planets as well ?

no we don't... because its HUMANS who wrote that damn book !
and if i remember right, humans tend to AMPLIFY things by many times !
they also commit mistakes, none is perfect, not even those who wrote the book(scrolls) or anything related to all that. knowing all that you believe in a book writen by humans for humans ?

how about the fact that at that time most of the people (as you said it) didn't know #### !
you believe that they would have writen such a book while many others from that era aren't even close to stories like the one in the bible !

sorry, if the bible is the only book to have stories like that, then it is clear that we have nothing more then a FANTASY TELLING BOOK.

it still don'T change the way you're saying it...
you mean that all countries have wrongfully started cause they didn't start like your !

noticed how we all are different using different culture, of course they didn't were similar. that's what makes us who we are !




just one more quetion to ask !

why is there many many many religions if the real one is the christians one ?

because we all have your own view of the events...
for all i know, humans cannot see things the same way others do. so why would th ebook be all real when you know the humans that have seen it haven't even seen the same things !



Edited By SSJKarma on June 17 2003 at 12:22

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]be real will you...
that's writen in the book, when actually none of those who suposedly wrote the book at first weren't even in that war who hapenned around the dinosaurs era ![/quote]
God dictated to the writers....

Excuse me? NO. The NEW TESTAMENT WAS, because it related directly to him. The Old Testament was written BEFORE, not all at one time, but books were written as time and events happened.. it states in the New Testament about Jesus reading the Old Testament books to people in Jerusalem..
So Noah's Ark is fake? People say it landed on Mt... damn, what was it again? Atrat.. er.. Arfat.. err.. forgot, but I think it's somewhere in Asia Minor (It's what people think) but nobody's been able to get up there and check.. that doesn't really prove anything, but what about that layer of water they found..
Oh and here's one. GO THROUGH THE BIBLE, and compare the dates/events mentioned WITH dates/events in various history books. Look how they relate!

It's funny how it says the Beast and all will be chained down in the earth.. and hell and everything.. and that you'll burn in eternal flames... you know what else is funny.. that you can't deny.. THE EARTH'S CORE is MOLTEN! MATERIAL


No, if you'd READ the things he asks you to do AREN'T DIFFICULT at all. HE DOESN'T ASK YOU TO DO THESE CRAZY TASKS FOR HIM.. just simple things, like.. don't go around raping people, lol. He gave us a soul to think for our own, think of being on Earth as a test.. to see if we can keep on acknowledging him as our Creator.. lots of mankind's failing it now:S



Yes GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, THE EARTH WAS AROUND AFTER HE MADE IT FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT THEN HE MADE HUMANS ON IT, IT!, THE EARTH, in his own image :S dubya tee eff is the point when there is NO OTHER HUMAN LIFE



I've read some Indian stuff that had similar stories..
THE MUSLIMS, until just recently, considered Jesus real.. Israel is God's chosen people.. why do you think that little as hell country is prospering economically even through a WAR?



No, I just simply brought up how this country started, and how it's changing.. for the worse :S

Yes, the Bible mentions the splitting of races :S
I never said anything wrong with having a different way of life, but I'm saying.. look at the living quality of other countries..

Oh yeah, China, their government is GREAT! Don't you just LOVE the way they kill their daughters!!
Oh yeah! Don't you just love the way Muslims treat their women!






It's 'cuz people went astray.. made up their own stuff.. or modified since they couldn't help not doing bad things.. or they found stuff they were appaled by (Gold, etc) and as generations went on.. they forgot :S



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 14:25