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[quote:post_uid0="Bunmi"]lock this topic[/quote]
Shut up

Joe, GOKU'S reaction time isn't instantaneous either. That evens out your argument on reaction time. Seraphic Wing overcomes Kame Hame Ha, and you are back where you started. Seriously, you ought to just give up now. There's no conquering Seraphic Wing.

[quote:post_uid0="Gokan"][quote:post_uid0="Bunmi"]lock this topic[/quote]
Shut up[/quote]
yah he's right.........shut up.........I learn a lot of things from this topic about DragonballZ and Street Fighter and not arguing either with Dan Hibiki and Nantuko Joe :biggrin:

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]Joe, GOKU'S reaction time isn't instantaneous either. That evens out your argument on reaction time. Seraphic Wing overcomes Kame Hame Ha, and you are back where you started. Seriously, you ought to just give up now. There's no conquering Seraphic Wing.[/quote]
Dan, you STILL don't understand. Goku is ON Kaioushin's planetoid, where he charges the kamehameha. He BEGINS to fire it (beginning to yell the "Ha!") while still on Kaiousama's planetoid. Then he Shunkan Idous BEHIND Gill, and the Kamehameha beam that BEGAN to be fired on Kaiousama's planetoid FINISHES the firing at Gill's back. Goku's reaction time has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have to do anything but float in the air with his hands out so the beam hits him.

Plus, how can you honestly say that NOTHING can break through a Seraph Wing? You act as if the Seraph Wing is unstoppable, and there's NOTHING that can combat it. Maybe in the SF universe it's unstoppable, but we can't apply those rules here.

Either way, Goku's reaction time has NOTHING to do with it. The MOMENT Goku appears behind Gill is the MOMENT the beam is being fired. Gill would have to sense Goku's presence behind him, and since Gill doesn't have any ki-sensing abilities, he won't know that Goku is behind him until the Kamehameha is disintegrating his body.

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Actually, if you read back a few pages, you'd see that we eliminated all personality traits.

Plus, we're talking about IF THEY DID fight. No one cares that they actually would NEVER fight, we just want to see that IF they fought, who would win.[/quote]
Oh then sorry for that useless reply earlier then.

Umm I've been pondering what are the ages of the DBZ fighters and the Street Fighters.

Hmm Joe may be the only one in this thread that knows the answer.

SBYRD5, you need to specify what time in DBZ for the ages.

Joe, Goku and company won't even have a chance to react to teleport to the planetoid. Seraphic Wing! Instant death. They'd never realize that they should've gone to the planetoid. Also, even if Goku et al teleported to the planetoid, Seraphic Wing can be done infinitely, so if Goku showed his face on Earth again he'd die instantly.

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]SBYRD5, you need to specify what time in DBZ for the ages.

Joe, Goku and company won't even have a chance to react to teleport to the planetoid. Seraphic Wing! Instant death. They'd never realize that they should've gone to the planetoid. Also, even if Goku et al teleported to the planetoid, Seraphic Wing can be done infinitely, so if Goku showed his face on Earth again he'd die instantly.[/quote]
Who's to say that the Seraph Wing is an instant-kill attack? Who's to say that a kamehameha cant break through it, or a Z fighter can't break through it? Remember, we're dealing with two different universes here. Goku could break through Gill's shield and/or form a shield against it.

Now YOU'RE getting desparate. Seraphic Wing IS a one-hit kill attack. If Tarkan were still around, he'd back me up. Kame Hame Ha can't break through it, because it disrupts ALL energy attacks that it hits.

I'm not getting desperate, i'm getting pissed. I want YOU to give me a link, which would DIRECTLY STATE that:

-Gill is a god
-Gill NEVER runs out of energy
-Gill can launch Seraph Wing INFINITELY
-Seraph Wing can be launched INSTANTLY
-Seraph Wing disrupts ALL energy attacks
-Seraph Wing is a one-hit kill

Unless you can prove all of that, I won't accepty any other explanations. It's quite possible that the reason no one in Street Fighter has survived a Seraph Wing is because they're too weak to. Who are you to say "Seraph Wing will instantly kill SSJ2 Vegetto"? Hell, we can't even measure the SF powerlevels. For all we know, Gill's PL could be weaker than Nappa!

It <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>IS</span> possible for a DBZ character to form a shield against Seraph Wing. It <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>IS</span> possible for a Kamehameha to break through a Seraph Wing (since Ki is different from SF "energy") But you CAN'T say "well, in SF, it kills them instantly, so obviously it would kill them instantly in DBZ!"

Let me ask you a question: In the SF storyline, does Gill EVER use an INSTANT Seraph Wing? In the game, does Seraph Wing ONE HIT KILL the opp? Does Gill EVER launch it infinitely? In the storyline, does it ever DIRECTLY STATE that Gill has unlimited energy? Unless it DIRECTLY says "Gill can instantly launch an infinite number of Seraph Wings because he has unlimited energy", then he CAN'T. Let me use an example:

In the DBZ storyline, Goku HAS the ability to perform the fusion dance with Vegeta. Tien HAS the ability to use Potarras and fuse with Yamucha. SSJ3 Gotenks HAS the ability to use Potarras to fuse with SSJ2 Vegetto. However, do they ever actually do it? NO! Therefore, can I use these wacky fusions in this debate? NO!

Now, same goes for Gill. In the SF storyline, unless he ever actually DOES instantly launch a Seraph Wing, unless he ever actually DOES do it infinitely, unless he ever actually DOES state that his energy never runs out, then it does. But you can't say "Well, he has the ABILITY to, so he can and I can use it in this debate."

This is what I'm getting down to:

If Gill never launched an INSTANT Seraph Wing in the storyline, then he cannot do so in this debate.

If Gill never launched INFINITE Seraph Wings in the storyline, then he cannot do so in this debate.

If Gill never was STATED that his "deity position" gives him UNLIMITED energy in the storyline, then he doesn't have Unlimited Energy

If Gill's Seraph Wing never ONE-HIT Kills an opponent at the beginning of a fight in the storyline, then it can't one-hit Kill someone in this debate.

And if you insist that he can do so without it being stated somewhere in the SF storyline, then I can legally (legally, in terms of this debate) incorporate the use of the Dragonballs, make use of wacky, never-before-seen fusions, and include characters from movies and specials and fillers that were not in the manga.

Now you've done it. You've sent him on a 6 month search.