Temperature changes would be instantaneous. A slow change is me putting my applesauce into the refrigerator. The molecules gradually slow, gradually lowering its temperature. An instantaneous stop of all molecular motion is instantaneous Absolute Zero.

Gill CAN'T be sent to the afterlife. Akuma tried to use the Shun Goku Satsu to send Gill to Hell, but it couldn't do it. Gill CAN'T be sent to the afterlife.

Bibidi is DEAD. You can't use him in this debate. You can use Babidi, because he is alive during the actual events of DBZ.

I mean keep form as in they retain their appearance when they were alive. Those little puffs lined up to see King Enma are helpless and without their original form.

Because Gill is a God, he can still change temperatures and control the elements, but he can't physically interact with anything, e.g. touch or punch.

Forgot about the milk ball incident. If Vegetto could put up a fight still, then Gill could still defend himself using the elements.

Joe, your lack of common sense is annoying me. Gill can lower the temperature AROUND THE LAB, AROUND THE BUILDING, THROUGH THE GROUND AROUND THE BUILDING TOO to Absolute Zero. NOT THE INSIDE, BUT AROUND THE OUTSIDE.

Goku can lock onto any ki signal, yes, but he CAN'T know which ki signals are the lab technicians. NO way.

Now for the points you raise...

1. Gill can't go to the afterlife. Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu attempt is enough to prove that. 'Nuff said.

2. I am so damn tired of this King Enma crap, so let me set this straight. King Enma does NOT get involved in ANYTHING unless it is the end of the universe. The battle between the DBZ fighters and Street Fighter is NOT a battle for the sake universe, so King Enma couldn't care less. He would do NOTHING.

3. If you have Buu in the equation, then Cell is already perfected. Perfect Cell can't do that.

And I'm telling you, instantaneous is the same as instantly, and that means WITHOUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME. Now, to have the temperature lowered from room temperature to -273*C WITHOUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME is not physically possible. You can't have an INSTANTANEOUS stop of all molecular motion, it would take some time. Even if it's a half a second, it can be done, but for something natural such as temperature changes to occur INSTANTANEOUSLY is not physically possible. Sorry to burst your bubble

The Shun Goku Satsu KILLS both the body and the spirit. It didn't affect Gill because although Gill's body COULD have died, his spirit would have lived on.

However, if you want to get technical with it, lemme use another example: Kaiobito can use the Kai Kai to teleport Gill to the Kaioshin's Planetoid (where Gohan pulled out the Z sword), then teleport away. Since the planetoid is in another dimension, Gill would be unable to get back to the fight. Same concept, different dimension

I know. I said it would be cool...

Even so, the spirit cannot interact with the real world. Goku, while in his spirit form, cannot go back to the real world and use a Kamehameha or any other powers. Therefore, Gill's spirit, even though it's in the real world, cannot use any special powers (even temperature changes) regardless of his level of deity

...and though Goku can't fly towards the "Absolute Zero Wall" lest he be frozen, he'll still be outside the lab, and be able to lock onto any power inside the lab, teleport inside, and blow it up.

Yes he can, even from far away, though it would take a long time. However, if he tails Gill to the lab, and even if Gill makes an Absolute Zero Shield, Goku will be very close to the lab (pretty much on its doorstep), and can easily lock onto a power that's inside the lab (after all, he'll be right there). Once he does so, he can teleport inside, then destroy the lab.

Fine. He can use another dimension. For example, Kaiobito can teleport Gill to either the ROSAT dimension and leave him stranded there (the door IS gone, after all), or to the dimension where Kaiobito's planetoid is located. Either way, Gill would be stranded there with no way out. (Kaiobito's Kai Kai does not need a ki target, unlike Goku's Shunkan Idou. Therefore, he can teleport to a random dimension)

Not true. Enma allowed Goku to travel Snake Way to receive training from North Kaio-sama. Technically, he should have just sent Goku to Heaven, but he allowed Goku to go past Snake Way anyway. Same as Tenshinhan, Chaozu, and Tenshinhan. He let them travel Snake Way, but wasn't supposed to. He was supposed to send them to Heaven, but didn't.

True.

And as long as we're talking about special powers, I've got another special power for you...

Though this never happened, it CAN happen...

They can send ppl like Buruma and Chaozu to gather the Dragonballs, then make a wish for one or more of the following:

-They can wish that Goku is immortal
-They can wish for the Dragon to revoke Gill's god-status
-They can wish that any of the Z fighters can be immortal
-They can wish that any of the Z fighters be given the same god-status as Gill

So technically, the Dragonballs could (and prolly WOULD) win the fight for DBZ

i just have one question.

do you have any proof that gill can use his powers in his "spirit" form? or any proof that gill is a god or immortal? cause that txt file tarkan provided me with doesn't say anything about that.

F**cking computer glitch... I typed up this whole page of proofs...

Gill's temperature changes are as close to instantaneous as something can be. He's a God with complete control of the elements, and can do whatever the heck he wants with them however fast he wants. Molecular motion can be stopped the very next instant after he commands it. In any case, it is so fast that the DBZ fighters would not be able to react in time. (That make ya happy now?!)

princevegetam, this has been stated so many times. The fact that Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu, which sends the SOUL to Hell, could not affect Gill in any way PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an immortal.

Now onto the Shun Goku Satsu and what it REALLY does. The Shun Goku Satsu does not KILL the body, to say. It sends the soul to Hell, and if the target's soul doesn't return from Hell when Akuma comes back (for he is sent to Hell for the duration of the attack too), then the body dies from a lack of connectivity with the soul. It failed on Gill because Gill's soul couldn't be sent to Hell in the first place.

Joe, what was it that Goku was doing during the first part of the Buu Saga? Oh yeah, he was a SPIRIT INTERACTING WITH THE REAL WORLD TO BE IN THE TOURNAMENT. NO BODY. JUST SPIRIT. Smack. If he had a body, then he wouldn'tve had the halo over his head. By this stroke of logic, Gill can interact with the physical world at the very least through elemental manipulation when in his spirit form.

Joe, what were the Saiyans doing that the time that King Enma allowed Goku to travel to Snake Way? Oh, that's right, they were DESTROYING ENTIRE PLANETS. Hmm... looks suspiciously like taking action to save the universe...

If you're going to pull that, "Summon Shenlong," crap on me, then I'll lay it out for you. Seven Dragonballs are scattered about the planet. At least one can be found by a member of Gill's organization, and have it shattered on command. No SEVEN Dragonballs, no Shenlong.

Just because he's an immortal doesn't mean he's a godly deity. But as far as the temperature thing goes...whatever you say.

Right. His soul can't be sent to hell. However, I abandoned the afterlife thing and went on to specify different dimensions that Gill can be trapped in with no escape. IE, the ROSAT dimension, Kaiobito's dimension, etc

Wrong. When Goku was allowed back to the real world, he was given 0a temporary body with a set amount of energy. When he went SSJ3, instead of draining away life energy, it drained away the energy given to him for being on earth. Also, that is why he was able to exist in the dimension where Kaioshin's planetoid is located: he had a temporary body. The problem was, Goku's body was dead in that dimension. When the Rou Dai Kaioshin gave his life to allow Goku to return to the real world, he didn't give his body, but his LIFE ENERGY, and that is what allowed Goku to return for good. But when he was allowed to return for the tournament, he was given a temporary body. Same as Vegeta when he was allowed to return to fight Buu.

Umm...no. The Saiya-jins were merely going to go to earth to get the Dragonballs. The only planet they destroyed was Arlia. And the only reason Vegeta wanted the balls was to wish for immortality so he could overthrow Furiza, who at the time was the tyrant of the universe. Therefore, Enma allowed Goku to go through Snake Way so he could receive training to PREVENT THE SAIYA-JINS FROM GETTING THE DRAGONBALLS, not from DESTROYING THE GALAXY

First off, the Dragonballs are unlocatable without the Dragon Radar. That is why Goku had to delay Buu so Trunks could get the Radar--without the Radar, you can't find the Dragonballs. And who is the only person with the Dragon Radar? Is it "Gill's organization"? No. Is it Buruma and the Z-gang? You guessed it.

Second off, I don't believe the Dragonballs can be destroyed. The only way to render them useless is to kill Dende (who will probably go into hiding the moment the fighting begins).

Third and lastly off, Kaiobito or someone else can easily make contact with the Nameks on New Namek and use their set of Dragonballs. And no one from "Gill's organization" can get in a spaceship and blast off to New Namek in time to stop Porunga from appearing and granting the wish.

Other forms as in Frogs, Bunnies, CHOCOLATE... etc...http://www.boomspeed.com/sakura/sly.gif

Probably.... and he may not be more powerful. He may have created Buu, but remember, Tessa is from a different world than Babadi & Bibidi. So they're all the most powerful casters in their world.

Yeah.... if he is revived.

What's to stop them from finding him and killing him?

Proof, please! :biggrin:

BTW....do you like the new smilies? ^-^ I'm dying to know! *giggles*

HOW DO YOU QOUT SO MUCH LIKE NATUKO :D

Joe, how do you think the Red Ribbon army found the Dragonballs in DB? The first few were found without the Dragon Radar. Gill's organization could easily spot just one of them and shatter it. The Dragonballs CAN be destroyed, because why would Kullilin try to shatter it when the Ginyu Force arrived?

If you're going to keep on saying that the Dragonballs can't be destroyed, then we can just say Gill > Dende, and that Dende is killed.

Roll, that new smilie scares me...

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Aww... I got others though. How much do you want to bet Nantuko's gonna wake up in the morning and think about this?
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