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Are you adopted by any chance? I most highly doubt it. Adoption is better than having no family

at all. I know so because one of my cousins was adopted and he knows he was adopted. And he is living

the life he likes. What if they grow up handicapped or mentally disabled by insest? Really, you are

talking about straight up Kentucky lifestyle there. And some children just die before birth when things

like that happen. Even if the blood related couple knew for a fact that they are going to have the baby

and they did not wanted, what do you think they are saying? Most likely the idiots, AND THEY ARE flipING

IDIOTS FOR SLEEPING WITH EACH OTHER, are thinking "Let's kill the bitch". The most common stupid thing

ever. And really why should they even have a baby? Insest is not even a case of wearing a condom or

having safe sex. It is wrong period to sleep with your same blood type. Come on, that is like sleeping

with your grandmother, HOW MORE SICK CAN THAT GET. So is getting an abortion from insest right? The

first question that you must have in your head is, WHY THE HELL DID I SLEEP WITH MY FAMILY

MEMBER.

you moron, i said insestual rape. not insest for the flip of insest. read my posts more closley next

time.

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People should know the right things to do and the wrong things to do. People should know what is

good and what is bad. For example, I know if it doesn't seem safe to live in a certain type of area,

which most likely you can tell right away just by the looks of it, then why are you living there? I

would rather live in a more secure place, I DON'T CARE IF IT COST ME 300 DOLLAR RENT TO LIVE IN A

APARTMENT THAT HAS THE PERIMETER OF A WALK IN CLOSET, as long as I know it is safe.

i dont know about anyone else, but what im readig is "rape? pfftt.. its their fault for getting raped."
it is NOT the womens fault, and NO one deserves to be raped.

FACT: 2/3 of rapes happen in the victims home. No, not in some dark ally. IN THEIR flipING HOME. its

your home, how more secure SHOULD you be?

FACT: 3/4 of all victims know their rapists. they could be family members, or the boy down the street.

NO ONE WANTS OR ASKS TO BE RAPED.

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You will never here about my area saying "WOMEN RAPED AND CARRYING THE RAPERS BABY" because

really, you would have to be really slick and asking to go straight to jail to try and rape a girl in my

area.

umm.. okay? that really doesnt help your post, me thinks it was just added there for the sake of adding

it.

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Seriously people should think about safety and guess what. Life is full of choices and you start

making the choice of how your life is when you first start school. Do you want life hard or easy? If you

would like it easy then you would think about to educate yourself to your fullest to get a career in the

future, and to make your parent/guardian life easier from worrying about your grades and how your future

is going to be. When you put parents through so much pressure in there lives they will never make it

through in life and they will just be making enough to survive. Making enough to survive is most likely

putting you a step closer to a shelter home. Bringing back to how unsafe areas around there can be. So

as long as their are choices in life, which there are many, and you go through the right choices, then

you should not be worried about getting raped. And not being raped would not lead to this pregnancy

adoption thing. Name me any case of raping and I will give you an answer of how the women could have

prevented from being raped. And don't give me no fliping Helen Of Troy type of raping case. That is not

realistic.

omg, what kind of shovinist bullpoop is that? you'er basically saying its the VICTIMS fault. thats why

they're victims. they are not to blame.

okay, ill play along with your game:

i saw a rape education video, telling about a story about some lady, living in a good neigbhorhood,

oppened the door to her house when it was ringing. there were two boys, one 16, the other 15. they said

"would you want to buy some video games" she said no, but they pushed the door open. she said pplease

leave, and tryed to get them away. the kicked the poop out of her then raped her. she lived with nobody.

what, should she have got a gun and shot whoever was on the other side? where did this women "ask" to be

raped?

shovenistic pig.

Condom Breaking. This really where it gets to me. This is what probably makes me think that iplay2win is

alive right now. Born a mistake. Hold on lol I am not going to give her body punches on a debating

topic.

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Well really I was raised at all times in this saying "You are responsible for your own stupid

actions, deal with it."

but should the BABY DEAL WITH IT. IS IT THE BABY's FAULT? NO. it is not. i've seen all of you so called

"prolifers" say this, but not one ever give a flip about the well being of the child.

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And really That is all I can say about condom breaking. I for one, if that was the case, I would

love to keep the baby because I really like children. I play football with 7-9 year olds everyday and

really if I don't find the "women of my dreams" then I am so adopting but anyways. If the condom breaks

then straight up that is your own fault and you are responsible for whatever comes to you. If the baby

is coming, then he is now your responsibility NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if you hate children, if you

never wanted kids, whatever. You can blame the one who bought the "smaller than it suppose to be" size

condom and you can cry about it, but as long as you have a life inside you besides the one you have in

your heart, you are carrying one and now it is your responsibility to go through birth.

again, not once did you bring up the well being of the child. just how the parents should have to deal

with it. -_-'

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560 dollars a month.

my brother lives in a one room apartment, and it costs him 600 a month. his eating costs him 120 a

month. he makes 800 a month BECAUSE he is working as a college proffescorst assistant.

not, lets say we add:
100 for a stroller,
50 for a baby sitter
300 in food
100 in clothes
and around 100 in miccllaniouse/health care

now, add bills, bills, and more bills.

of fliping snap, you no longer have ANY money, and if you penny pinch alot you might have an extra

couple of dollers to whipe the drool off your baby's mouth.

can a 17 year old really handle this preasure?

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"Better to live life than worry about living."

let me rephrasie your quote:

better to live life then to worry about things that are flipnig it up.

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Safety and Health beats the crap out of condom breaking, insest, and rape.

i erally dont know howbeing safe and healthy will prevent a condom breaking, getting insestualy raped,

or just flat out raped.

only if there was some super hero CALLED "safe and health" man. which there isnt. -_-

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WOO! I OWNED THIS POST!

no, no you didnt.

Seriously like any other debater would say, your insults just shows your lackness of knowledge in a debate and shows that you are being proved wrong. Quoting everything I say is pretty pathetic. And I say this because bush quoted almost every word Kerry had said and look who won that debate? Yep, Kerry had the upper hand on it. Kerry didn't need quotes. That debate made some republicans turn into democrats. So is your post lacking? Yes, yes it is. And I already been in many debates on abortion before. And like every debate there is always going to be that one loser who starts the insults, using the insult a way of showing that they are "bigger and more right" than the opponent. And in this debate, which you had created, you are becoming that loser. Think before you make a debate again. Showing insults against others in a debate is an act of weakness. This is why debates in this forum have been pointless the past, 2 years?

What insults? what insults did i say? the only one that can i can think of is the "shovenistic pig" insult, which really, you did deserve. you were saying that the victims of rape were ASKING to be raped. that angered me alot because i have some personal experiences with rape, and its a very fliping touchy subject.

and i didnt "quote" you, i just refferenced in simple terms (it being stated above) what i am reffering to. so, instead of giving one huge parragraph with many gramical errors, and one large run on sentances i break it into parts.

and why all of a sudden are you proclaiming yourself the winner? seems to me you are just jumping on the ball quickly, proclaiming yourself the winner so people will beleive you instead of the facts.

seems to me you are just making excuses so you can quit arguing.

do you want to end it, ill get someone like NJ to come and review, and score the debate.

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you moron, i said insestual rape. not insest for the flip of insest. read my posts more closley next

Just shovenistic pigs? Don't think so.

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And who said I was proclaiming myself a winner. When on debates there will never be a person who says "I surrender" and there will always be a 50 percent chance of people who agree on one side and 50 percent who disagrees with the other 50 percent. There is no winner in debates. It is nothing but a clash of egos going after each other with each fact that they got unless one shows a convincing fact that would lead the opponent to start seeing things in his way. Which in this topic, it doesn't seem like none of that is happening. but if now you are going to question me about the Kerry/bush case, my answer why there is a winner is because you can easily can tell by the stuttering and the sweat of bush's face that he is losing it. And you can also tell about the smile and confidence that Kerry shows. Insults will lead to flaming in this topic. And if moron and shovenistic pig is the beggining, then just wait for the future of this topic.

Gorrilaz985 : hey, joe
joeballz0000 : yo
Gorrilaz985 : hey, i need a favor from you...
joeballz0000 : wazza?
Gorrilaz985 : i need you to read an entire thread, (debate thread), and tell us all who won me, or everyone against me.
Gorrilaz985 : its only 6 pages.. would you be able to do that for me?
joeballz0000 : -_-
Gorrilaz985 : :(
joeballz0000 : what's the debate bout?
Gorrilaz985 : abortion
joeballz0000 : which forum?
Gorrilaz985 : sfo forum
joeballz0000 : you won
joeballz0000 : you're points were much better, theirs were just a bunch of long subjective rants
joeballz0000 : why? you guys still using the "great nantuko joe" as reference material?
Gorrilaz985 : i did it in the you-style. where i quote every passage and amke rebultles about everything, illimiating their resisting arguments.
joeballz0000 : YES! That's the way to debate
Gorrilaz985 : lancerpx got all insulted when i called him a "shovenistic pig" >=/
joeballz0000 : hehe

there, thats proof enough.the master debater himself, NJ said i won.

not only that, but he was ANTI abortion. he saw through his bias to note i won.

so ha!

im all debated out, and im sure you are too.

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so your not going to answer my question vf

Do you really think I care about what Nantuko got to say? I don't care if you consider him your "DEBATE GOD". That is just one person on your side and nothing but a person. Just like his vote on the presidential election isn't any bigger than Bill Gates. I can careless what nantuko got to say. Your little convo to him and using him as a way to have the upper hand is pretty much useless to me. He is nothing but a person.

And since when was he ever a great? HAHAHA He is as great as his crappy malarky thing he had going on years ago.

VF, don't make me debate against you...

On a lighter note, lancer, I find it hilarious that your last post says that there are no winners in debates. In the previous one, you said Kerry won the debate... You just controdicted yourself... Furthermore, quoting people is a very good strategy for winning a debate. When you quote, you then force others to see fact instead of wrongly accusing you of spewing out opinions...

right, right. first you claimed you won, then you claimed you didnt, now you claim "there is no winners".

just face it, you're beat.

oh, and ssjdan:

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Let's assume that the adoption process took roughly one year to go through, and had good results in finding parents who aren't abusive and can and WILL provide a good environment. Under these circumstances how can you say yes to abortion?

for every rule there is an exception. this, is the exception. abortion in this case would be wrong. just how abortion for a 20 year old whore who doesnt LIKE bearth control is wrong. just how a women with 7 kids is wrong.

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I was just informing you about the implied premise not saying the premise is good/bad/right/wrong

i know. in fact, i know all sorts of contredictions and loopholes i made which i was supprised no one every mention. if i were to debate with myself, i would probably kick my own ass.

I already explained that blaze and virtualfighter. Read the posts carefully.

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