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Toon-Ryu 10-30-2002 02:33 PM

this just came to my mind they cant destroy gill but he can still go to the world of the dead. If goku just uses his IT to take gill there and the just come back gill couldnt come back.

princevegetam 10-30-2002 02:59 PM

gill would still be alive cause he doesn't have a halo over his head

Nantuko Joe 10-30-2002 06:37 PM

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it's not possible for gill to die, even if his body is destroyed his soul still lives. no other dbz character can compare to that.
However, that doesn't matter, since we're just talking about KO, and not kill

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Taken from the SF plot canon guide

What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not.
They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.


Guess that answers your question.
Bada-BOOM. Therefore, all the DBZ characters have to do is say "Onore wo mu ni suru" and they're scott free. Thanks tark

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this just came to my mind they cant destroy gill but he can still go to the world of the dead. If goku just uses his IT to take gill there and the just come back gill couldnt come back.
Goku can't use his Instantaneous Movement to go to the afterlife. Only two people can do that: Uranai Baba and Kibit. But yes, that is INDEED an interesting point/strategy.

Tarkan, could that work?


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gill would still be alive cause he doesn't have a halo over his head
Yes, but he'd still be stuck in hell, and no way to teleport between dimensions to return to the fight.

Toon-Ryu, I think you've just found a way for me to win this debate. Thank you SOOOOO much!

TarkanX 10-31-2002 05:54 AM

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Bada-BOOM. Therefore, all the DBZ characters have to do is say "Onore wo mu ni suru" and they're scott free. Thanks tark
They don't know the words(at least most likely)

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Goku can't use his Instantaneous Movement to go to the afterlife. Only two people can do that: Uranai Baba and Kibit. But yes, that is INDEED an interesting point/strategy.

Tarkan, could that work?
No, you just said the answer

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Yes, but he'd still be stuck in hell, and no way to teleport between dimensions to return to the fight.

Toon-Ryu, I think you've just found a way for me to win this debate. Thank you SOOOOO much!
Only Kaiobito, and that old woman could do that, but Gill would probably find a way to evade it, you'd have to grapple to the opponent, then Teleport, instead of simply touch him.

Nantuko Joe 10-31-2002 06:04 AM

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No, you just said the answer
You didn't read the rest

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Only Kaiobito, and that old woman could do that, but Gill would probably find a way to evade it, you'd have to grapple to the opponent, then Teleport, instead of simply touch him.
NO YOU DON'T! When Kibito brought Gohan back from the East Kaioshin's planetoid, did he have to grapple him first? When Uranai baba brought Goku back to the afterlife when his time on earth was up, did she have to grapple him first? When Goku teleported the exploding Cell to North Kaio-sama's planetoid, did he have to grapple him first? No. All they have to do is touch them and teleport, and the person they're touching will go too.

And I figured out another way to get rid of Gill: Buu's Henka Beam. If Gill was distracted by another fighter, Buu could hit Gill with his henka beam, turn him into some sort of food, then eat him and power up. Done. Gone

Toon-Ryu 10-31-2002 01:29 PM

actully Goku can. in the cell seriers he teleports cell to after life so gill will be stuck in hell therefor Goku, Vegeta or Vegetto could defeat the rest of the sf characters.

TarkanX 10-31-2002 05:27 PM

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You didn't read the rest
Then to fully answer your question, it depends.

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NO YOU DON'T! When Kibito brought Gohan back from the East Kaioshin's planetoid, did he have to grapple him first? When Uranai baba brought Goku back to the afterlife when his time on earth was up, did she have to grapple him first? When Goku teleported the exploding Cell to North Kaio-sama's planetoid, did he have to grapple him first? No. All they have to do is touch them and teleport, and the person they're touching will go too.
That is because Gohan didn't want to get away from East Kaioshin, he wanted to go, and he was near him, not trying to run away. Goku didn't have to grapple Cell, because there was n way Cell could move since he was bloding himself from a kamikaze, Gill could just use his hands(or whatever) to prevent teleportation.

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And I figured out another way to get rid of Gill: Buu's Henka Beam. If Gill was distracted by another fighter, Buu could hit Gill with his henka beam, turn him into some sort of food, then eat him and power up. Done. Gone
Did you see Thin Buu(Evil Buu) vs. Mr. Buu(Fat Buu)? Thin Buu directed back the beam. Gill could probably do the same with seraphic wing(yes it's seraphic Wing again). And about distraction, though Gill is a powerhouse, he isn't stupid enough to get distracted and then get hit, he always keeps an eye on his opponents.

Gotenks13 10-31-2002 08:09 PM

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Did you see Thin Buu(Evil Buu) vs. Mr. Buu(Fat Buu)? Thin Buu directed back the beam. Gill could probably do the same with seraphic wing(yes it's seraphic Wing again). And about distraction, though Gill is a powerhouse, he isn't stupid enough to get distracted and then get hit, he always keeps an eye on his opponents.
I'm sure that you know that the some of Saiyan/Saiyajin fighters could distract Gill for a while. Besides, if Vegetto came and KOed Gill, he would be too busy trying to heal himself, leaving him open to the Henka Beam.

Nantuko Joe 11-01-2002 04:44 AM

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actully Goku can. in the cell seriers he teleports cell to after life so gill will be stuck in hell therefor Goku, Vegeta or Vegetto could defeat the rest of the sf characters.
He didnt' teleport to hell. He teleported to the North Kaio-sama's planetoid.

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That is because Gohan didn't want to get away from East Kaioshin, he wanted to go, and he was near him, not trying to run away. Goku didn't have to grapple Cell, because there was n way Cell could move since he was bloding himself from a kamikaze, Gill could just use his hands(or whatever) to prevent teleportation.
WHERE does it say that you have to grapple an opponent before teleporting them? All you have to do is touch them. Unless you can give me PROOF stating otherwise, the teleporting Gill to the afterlife is a winning strategy. He'd be removed from the fight, and therefore would not be able to participate.

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Did you see Thin Buu(Evil Buu) vs. Mr. Buu(Fat Buu)? Thin Buu directed back the beam. Gill could probably do the same with seraphic wing(yes it's seraphic Wing again). And about distraction, though Gill is a powerhouse, he isn't stupid enough to get distracted and then get hit, he always keeps an eye on his opponents.
First off, that was Fat Buu. I'm talking about Ma-jin Buu and/or Kid Buu. If Gill was grappling an opponent (I'll use Toon Ryu's idea and say he's fighting SSJ2 Vegetto), he could be distracted. Therefore, Buu would be able to hit him from BEHIND with the beam. Also, Buu could do what he did to SSJ3 Gotenks: sneak off some of his putty, then have it rear up and envelop Gill, absorbing him and gaining Buu his energy

Dan Hibiki 11-01-2002 09:48 AM

The one being sent somewhere using IT needs to concentrate on where they are going and/or be a willing participant for it to work. All Gill has to do is not want to go and it is so.


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