On Twelve: Twelve is not a being of pure good (technically he doesn't even think freely), so he can't use the Genki Dama. He could change into a Saiyajin and use the Super Saiyajin transformations, though.

RoSaT argument: NO, you are wrong. You CANNOT keep on going in for 48 hour increments. Once again, if that were the case, Vegeta would have gone in and out, in and out, and been somewhere around 50 years old by the time the Cell Games came around.

Goku spent a bit in the RoSaT when he was a kid, and spent not even a year in it when he went in with Gohan. Of course he could have gone in for even longer! He still had a helluva lot of time left out of those 48 hours!

On Gill's Resurrection: You don't see a little Ki bar at the bottom of the screen during DBZ fights in the anime or at the bottoms of panels in the manga, do you? No. Resurrection is an ability that Gill possesses, and automatically kicks in when he has sufficient power and he is knocked out. It is his body's reaction to being unconscious, and his body revives him completely upon this occuring.

On the Ryu vs. Zangief comparison: Zangief has sufficient fast attacks. Zangief is relatively fast for somebody of his size, but he spent all of his free time wrestling bears while Ryu went ass-kicking world-wide against top-knotch competitors. Ryu gained more skill, and can beat Zangief with skill.

Shun Goku Satsu argument: to have the Shun Goku Satsu deal damage, the target must have done something evil in the past. The Shun Goku Satsu preys on the past evils of a person and torments them with them. To have it kill, the person needs to have done sufficient evil in the past. M. Bison/Vega was insta-killed by it. Further, though, if somebody who has done evil in the past has purified himself, such as Gen, the Shun Goku Satsu will be rendered useless.

On the Akuma being immortal argument: I know that doesn't matter here. I just through that in for the Hell of it as it came to my mind.

More on Gill: easily the most powerful attack that any Street Fighter has is the Seraphic Wing of Gill's. The Shun Goku Satsu comes close, but it is too conditional to be the best. The Seraphic Wing hits ANYTHING around Gill and does absolutely insane damage.

New Argument for Akuma: Tensou Kaireki Jin. This is the attack that Akuma learns at the end of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike. He raises his hand and lets loose one powerful chop as his signature purple energy flies from the point of impact, dealing more damage than the Shun Goku Satsu. Also, this attack is not conditional like the Shun Goku Satsu, making it his most powerful tool against the Z Warriors.

ROSAT:

you CAN go in for more than 48 hours if you come out and go back in. vegeta would not have been 50 years old because other people went in there too (piccolo, trunks, etc).

ryu vs zangief: zangief is not fast. maybe faster than he's suppose to be, but he is not fast compared to ryu. ryu beats zangief by using some ki, speed and skills.

Tensou Kaireki Jin: since it destroyed an island, i suppose it's pretty powerful, but that weakling frieza could do the same thing with his finger beam (it moves faster too, cause vegeta was the only who could see the beam move).

and dbz ppl don't use skill because they've gotten past that. a martial artist can only learn a certain amount of skill, but after they've reached the maximum skill level possible, they move on to ki manipulation. which is what dbz characters are doing.

RoSaT: THINK ABOUT IT! Vegeta said that he'd take all of the remaining days in the RoSaT, so he WOULD have been in there 'till he was reaching a mid-life crisis!

Tensou Kaireki Jin: Akuma didn't destroy the island with that. He just used a powerful, standard chop to do it. He didn't even know Tensou Kaireki Jin in SFA2.

he went SSJ2, he has lightning around him, and really spiked up hair.

Attacks that are very hard to do, you need harsh training to do them, like shun goku satsu, kongou kokuretsuzan, etc....

But I said before he can do the same in the storyline, just like in the game.

They were almost even, so it wouldn't have mattered.

It works on any soul, unless they have deity status, like Gill, or they release their soul. the Z fighters have bad in their hearts, but it's not noticeable, they have done a sin by killing people, so the shun goku satsu can be used.

His body revives himself by defualt if he is KOed, or whatever....

True

Vegeta didn't go back into the RoSat because he reached the max level of a SSJ, or very close to it, theres no point in going back to the rosat if youve reached your limit at your strongest form(at the time).

Recall that Vegeta said that he would take the remaining days before Piccolo pointed out that the room would close.

i saw that episode of dbz where vegeta talks about continued training in the ROSAT for over 5 times (just like i do with any other dbz episode) and i SPECIFICALLY remember him saying that he gets more more than the other fighters, but he never spent the ENTIRE time in there. piccolo trunks and others also spent time in there as well.

oh my god you freaks dbz would win sf is like martial arts in real life ryu and ken trained under gouken only they have energy blasts the only i could be just like ryu with a black belt in karate but not the blast now dbz does have martial arts but improoved not real life i am makeing no sense but i'll try they got the dragonballs and everything sf is real life newyork :S dbz is more advanced if you think about it .... oh and anyway tell me the sf movies out i want to go rent em who knows


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princevegetam, your lack of paying attention to logic astounds me. He, as well as the others, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR MORE THAN 48 HOURS IN THEIR LIFETIME! END OF STORY! NOW I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR PROOFS ON THE NET TO MAKE YOU LISTEN!

oh man, i made so many typos.

and how is it illogical?

if you spend more than 48 hours in there, the door is gone. but if you come out and go back in, the 48 hour time limit starts all over again.

It is illogical because it has been said that the time limit is 48 hours in a person's lifetime! That is why!