@roll.....threatning me saying i will get hurt really doenst prove any thing....dont care either

Here are my reasons why i think same sex marriges are wrong..

1:God created a man and Woman
2:but gay ppl think that god created adam and steve..its eve..!?not steve.!!
3:they keep saying they where not born that way but thats some stupid excuse gay ppl are using to be gay......i mean there is always a choice in life and thats what gay ppl are choosing,its not that thats how they where born..!
4:im sure many ppl have said that to gay ppl cant have a child..thats true,and the main purpose there is a man and women is so they can produce a child...i didn't say that there should be more ppl being born...
5:it just doesn't work with to gay ppl
6:and two gay ppl adopting a child isn't right.....that child wont have a very happy life having to pl of the same sex as parents....it will fave an effect on that child..!
7:ppl keep saying why do u care of they dont come to you wanting to be gay with you....well it is disturbing being aware of this and just letting it pass.....and some gay ppl are to hard to ignore..they are just to gay.!!
8:and some ppl say that its kind of racisim against gay ppl....what im saying is they can be gay ppl in the word.....but they want more than just to be gay and sit like that....1-they wanna mary each othere
2-be able to adopt a child
3-and all this freedom of being gay..!??

think ill leave it to that... ???



Edited By (ShinKu_Ryu) on July 08 2004 at 13:57

well if by your logic then you are much too stupid for me to ignore

grrraahhh die you !

sajjin ryu along with others previously have hit it right on the nose.
marriage is about love and commitment. to every man and woman his/her own

@italy I knew canada won it's independence but I wasnt sure if it was at the same time as america's, I think my post came off as "well atleast we won and you didnt". whatev I dont know much about canada and im sure canada could care less about me. I'll leave it at that

Point out where I threatened to harm you, Shinku, and I'll believe that all of your statements have at least a little stature to them.
In the meantime:
In many religions, yes. but what about the people who think god does not exist, or that a god, if any, didn't make one? Then where's your argument?
Who in the world fed you that lie? Or was it your own little bogus idea? Either way, that thought is what made me ask you to leave topics like this alone.
You know, you need to read over what you write before you post it sometimes. So you're saying here, that gay people are saying they're not born gay, but it's just an excuse they're using to be gay, but there is a choice in life, and they're choosing to be gay, and it's not because they were born that way. I don't see the part in here that's against gays, and shockingly enough, I believe it's a good thing.
And... your point being? Maybe some people don't mind not having children. Marriage does not always mean children, or even sex for that matter.
What?
It's as right as a sister taking care of her younger siblings when they have no other living relatives. It doesn't matter who a person is, if they want to take care of a child, and if they do a good job, then they're a good parent and more than qualified to take care of the children. You can't say the child won't have a happy life because they'll have a father, and another father, or a mother and another mother. For all you know, that could make it a whole lot easier for the child. And with all parents and things, of course it would have an effect on the child. but just because you think it would be negative, doesn't mean it will be. I'd give the parents the same 50/50 chance that I give all parents, as to the chances they would make their child happy. It's all dependant on treatment, not on sexuality. If you don't understand that, then you need to talk to your parents, or grandparents, because they'll tell you that all children need, are good health, love, care, and people who love them, regardless of who.

So it's disturbing to you to find out people can and will make love to another member of the same sex? Well, here's some advice. Take a nice mug of cocoa, step outside, smell a rose or a flower, and look around your neighborhood. Think about all of your friends at school... now think of all the children at school. At least 30% of those kids will have become bi, if not completely homosexual by their Junior year. So, yes, we're going to let it pass, because there really is no way to stop a person from loving another.
First, it's not racism. I just discussed that with Karma.
Now.. what's wrong with them wanting to marry? They want to be together with each other forever, in a bond. Ooouuu, scary. *scream* Also, they can and should get those rights, because there should be nothing wrong with this. Nothing at all. If you can give me some good, hard evidence that homosexuals gaining the right to marriage will destroy the planet with some nuclear explosion, then perhaps I was wrong. but saying it's wrong because it goes against god, or because they can't make a baby is like saying you can't have a pet because you might eat it, or because you'll try and have a baby with it. Think before you speak and make your decisions.
And I think I'll leave it at that for now.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Point out where I threatened to harm you, Shinku, and I'll believe that all of your statements have at least a little stature to them.
In the meantime:
In many religions, yes. but what about the people who think god does not exist, or that a god, if any, didn't make one? Then where's your argument?
Who in the world fed you that lie? Or was it your own little bogus idea? Either way, that thought is what made me ask you to leave topics like this alone.
You know, you need to read over what you write before you post it sometimes. So you're saying here, that gay people are saying they're not born gay, but it's just an excuse they're using to be gay, but there is a choice in life, and they're choosing to be gay, and it's not because they were born that way. I don't see the part in here that's against gays, and shockingly enough, I believe it's a good thing.
And... your point being? Maybe some people don't mind not having children. Marriage does not always mean children, or even sex for that matter.
What?
It's as right as a sister taking care of her younger siblings when they have no other living relatives. It doesn't matter who a person is, if they want to take care of a child, and if they do a good job, then they're a good parent and more than qualified to take care of the children. You can't say the child won't have a happy life because they'll have a father, and another father, or a mother and another mother. For all you know, that could make it a whole lot easier for the child. And with all parents and things, of course it would have an effect on the child. but just because you think it would be negative, doesn't mean it will be. I'd give the parents the same 50/50 chance that I give all parents, as to the chances they would make their child happy. It's all dependant on treatment, not on sexuality. If you don't understand that, then you need to talk to your parents, or grandparents, because they'll tell you that all children need, are good health, love, care, and people who love them, regardless of who.

So it's disturbing to you to find out people can and will make love to another member of the same sex? Well, here's some advice. Take a nice mug of cocoa, step outside, smell a rose or a flower, and look around your neighborhood. Think about all of your friends at school... now think of all the children at school. At least 30% of those kids will have become bi, if not completely homosexual by their Junior year. So, yes, we're going to let it pass, because there really is no way to stop a person from loving another.
First, it's not racism. I just discussed that with Karma.
Now.. what's wrong with them wanting to marry? They want to be together with each other forever, in a bond. Ooouuu, scary. *scream* Also, they can and should get those rights, because there should be nothing wrong with this. Nothing at all. If you can give me some good, hard evidence that homosexuals gaining the right to marriage will destroy the planet with some nuclear explosion, then perhaps I was wrong. but saying it's wrong because it goes against god, or because they can't make a baby is like saying you can't have a pet because you might eat it, or because you'll try and have a baby with it. Think before you speak and make your decisions.
And I think I'll leave it at that for now.[/quote]
clap ppl roll just gave anoher good good speach good thing we have roll in the community she makes every thing better and she is right they ant born gay its a choice same thing wit a ### a ### wasnt born a ### he chose to be a ### :D

Chill back cause

Might as well have fun `cause your happiness is done and your goose is cooked!
Flip that smile upside down now!
Might as well have fun `cause your happiness is done and your goose is cooked!

dubya tee eff is up w/ everyone... ofcourse it SHOULDN'T be allowed
It's just not right, god didnt create men to sleep w/ men why do u think there are 2 DIFFERENT SEXES ?? for fun ? no because men and women were ment to reproduce
anyway that aint no opinion it's a fact

[quote:post_uid14="Roll"]Point out where I threatened to harm you, Shinku, and I'll believe that all of your statements have at least a little stature to them.
In the meantime:
[quote:post_uid14]1:God created a man and Woman[/quote:post_uid14]
In many religions, yes. but what about the people who think god does not exist, or that a god, if any, didn't make one? Then where's your argument?
[quote:post_uid14]2:but gay ppl think here create adam and steve...eve not steve[/quote:post_uid14]
Who in the world fed you that lie? Or was it your own little bogus idea? Either way, that thought is what made me ask you to leave topics like this alone.
[quote:post_uid14]3:they keep saying they where not born that way but thats some stupid excuse gay ppl are using to be gay......i mean there is always a choice in life and thats what gay ppl are choosing,its not that thats how they where born..![/quote:post_uid14]
You know, you need to read over what you write before you post it sometimes. So you're saying here, that gay people are saying they're not born gay, but it's just an excuse they're using to be gay, but there is a choice in life, and they're choosing to be gay, and it's not because they were born that way. I don't see the part in here that's against gays, and shockingly enough, I believe it's a good thing.
[quote:post_uid14]4:im sure many ppl have said that to gay ppl cant have a child..thats true,and the main purpose there is a man and women is so they can produce a child...i didn't say that there should be more ppl being born...[/quote:post_uid14]
And... your point being? Maybe some people don't mind not having children. Marriage does not always mean children, or even sex for that matter.
[quote:post_uid14]5:it just doesn't work with to gay ppl[/quote:post_uid14]
What?
[quote:post_uid14]6:and two gay ppl adopting a child isn't right.....that child wont have a very happy life having to pl of the same sex as parents....it will fave an effect on that child..![/quote:post_uid14]
It's as right as a sister taking care of her younger siblings when they have no other living relatives. It doesn't matter who a person is, if they want to take care of a child, and if they do a good job, then they're a good parent and more than qualified to take care of the children. You can't say the child won't have a happy life because they'll have a father, and another father, or a mother and another mother. For all you know, that could make it a whole lot easier for the child. And with all parents and things, of course it would have an effect on the child. but just because you think it would be negative, doesn't mean it will be. I'd give the parents the same 50/50 chance that I give all parents, as to the chances they would make their child happy. It's all dependant on treatment, not on sexuality. If you don't understand that, then you need to talk to your parents, or grandparents, because they'll tell you that all children need, are good health, love, care, and people who love them, regardless of who.

[quote:post_uid14]7:ppl keep saying why do u care of they dont come to you wanting to be gay with you....well it is disturbing being aware of this and just letting it pass.....and some gay ppl are to hard to ignore..they are just to gay.!![/quote:post_uid14]
So it's disturbing to you to find out people can and will make love to another member of the same sex? Well, here's some advice. Take a nice mug of cocoa, step outside, smell a rose or a flower, and look around your neighborhood. Think about all of your friends at school... now think of all the children at school. At least 30% of those kids will have become bi, if not completely homosexual by their Junior year. So, yes, we're going to let it pass, because there really is no way to stop a person from loving another.
[quote:post_uid14]8:and some ppl say that its kind of racisim against gay ppl....what im saying is they can be gay ppl in the word.....but they want more than just to be gay and sit like that....1-they wanna mary each othere
2-be able to adopt a child
3-and all this freedom of being gay..!??[/quote:post_uid14]
First, it's not racism. I just discussed that with Karma.
Now.. what's wrong with them wanting to marry? They want to be together with each other forever, in a bond. Ooouuu, scary. *scream* Also, they can and should get those rights, because there should be nothing wrong with this. Nothing at all. If you can give me some good, hard evidence that homosexuals gaining the right to marriage will destroy the planet with some nuclear explosion, then perhaps I was wrong. but saying it's wrong because it goes against god, or because they can't make a baby is like saying you can't have a pet because you might eat it, or because you'll try and have a baby with it. Think before you speak and make your decisions.
And I think I'll leave it at that for now.[/quote:post_uid14]
Excellent points, Roll. :thumbsup:

[quote:post_uid0="PSYCHO"]dubya tee eff is up w/ everyone... ofcourse it SHOULDN'T be allowed
It's just not right, god didnt create men to sleep w/ men why do u think there are 2 DIFFERENT SEXES ?? for fun ? no because men and women were ment to reproduce
anyway that aint no opinion it's a fact[/quote]
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Its their god damned choice if they wanna be gay or not........and how would you know!?

A fact!? Religion is an opinion not a fact!</span>



Edited By ledmonkey on July 08 2004 at 14:27

why should anyone care? no one should care whos gay cuz if you care youd care for nothing.... most likely theyd get aids and die....

[quote:post_uid0="azncat"]why should anyone care? no one should care whos gay cuz if you care youd care for nothing.... most likely theyd get aids and die....[/quote]
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Acutally....aids is more common in hetrosexual ppl then homos......if you've ever taken global issues..you would know..</span>

all there has been mostly is flamin' so this topic should be closed..!cause there has ben so many debates like this before and they all didn't end up very freindly.......

if you can't take it dont dish it out my friend... ???

and I do beleive discriminating against homosexuals is a form of racism or at least a hate crime.



Edited By El Emo Caliente on July 08 2004 at 15:05

It is a hate crime, but not racism. However, the hate crime can only be achieved if a homosexual in question is constantly harassed.
dubya tee eff is up with you? Of course it SHOULD be allowed. It's not right to say that a religion should alter the courses of all lives and choices made. Besides, how would you know that god didn't make two genders just for fun? I mean, if he's so all powerful, he could have just made men, and then make it so they could reproduce with each other. With that in mind, it isn't right for you to say that men and women were meant to reproduce indefinitely. THAT, my dear friend, is a fact and an opinion. Quite a deadly combo, if I do say so myself.

And do you know why they never end up being very friendly? Why don't you look at what everyone said, but do it as if you were reading it for the first time, and you had no preference against homosexuals at all. In fact, forget everything you've heard about them, and just think of them as an average, everyday person. Now, read all of the posts that are against them. Can you now see why people who are defending them are getting so hostile? It's not right to say that a person can't do something... it's really not fair at all.

:S ... read my post carefully


ur sayin that either because u dont have a religion or because u are gay urself. we all know men + women = children and men +men = bullpoop so w/e
lol like i said we should put all them ###gets on an island, give them everything the other people have and see how they do in 50 years time.
thats my point anyway

.................................................. ...........................


homosexual marriges should be allowed i guess..... they do what they want we cant control their actions personalities etc... they get homosexaul its not our problem... tell me... why do we care so much about homosexuals not or having same gender marriges?

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]And do you know why they never end up being very friendly? Why don't you look at what everyone said, but do it as if you were reading it for the first time, and you had no preference against homosexuals at all. In fact, forget everything you've heard about them, and just think of them as an average, everyday person. Now, read all of the posts that are against them. Can you now see why people who are defending them are getting so hostile? It's not right to say that a person
can't do something... it's really not fair at all.[/quote]
We are against gay ppl because in our point of view we think that its wrong...and looking at the post's ppl have posted i would have to say more ppl are against gay marriges.....even if i didn't belive in religion its obvious to see here why this is so wrong in many ways...! ??? and those who are defending gay ppl i think that they look at this the way gay ppl are because you dont think that there is nothing wrong with it......

[quote:post_uid0="(ShinKu_Ryu)"][quote:post_uid0="Roll"]And do you know why they never end up being very friendly? Why don't you look at what everyone said, but do it as if you were reading it for the first time, and you had no preference against homosexuals at all. In fact, forget everything you've heard about them, and just think of them as an average, everyday person. Now, read all of the posts that are against them. Can you now see why people who are defending them are getting so hostile? It's not right to say that a person
can't do something... it's really not fair at all.[/quote]
We are against gay ppl because in our point of view we think that its wrong...and looking at the post's ppl have posted i would have to say more ppl are against gay marriges.....even if i didn't belive in religion its obvious to see here why this is so wrong in many ways...! ??? and those who are defending gay ppl i think that they look at this the way gay ppl are because you dont think that there is nothing wrong with it......[/quote]
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>It's obvious that your homophobic and can't accept the fact that sexuality doesn't have a right or wrong answer....</span>

[quote:post_uid0="PSYCHO"]ur sayin that either because u dont have a religion or because u are gay urself. we all know men + women = children and men +men = bullpoop so w/e
lol like i said we should put all them ###gets on an island, give them everything the other people have and see how they do in 50 years time.
thats my point anyway[/quote]
I am supposedly christian, as I have been baptised. However, I do not reach into the christian religion, for the very reason that it indirectly calls me and my family evil. I will not accept that, nor will I subject myself to those laws.
And so what if a man and a woman can make children, and two men cannot? That's not the point, and you know it.
Tell you what: why don't we stick you on an island, give you everything other people have, and see how you do in 50 years.

Why don't you enlighten us about why Homosexuals are really bad? How about something smart? And, yes, that rules out religion and belief reasons.

And this topic just shows that people like you and Psycho tend to just mouth off in disrespect of people who actually deserve to be loved. I don't know what pushes you to do so; do you think it's funny, that you can oppress people with other people? Do you find it fun to harass people? Do you think it's a lovely idea to tell people that they're sleezeballs, because they love someone? Are you so much of an asswipe, that you would go up to someone, and tell them that they're stupid/idiotic/mentally retarded/wrong, because they like someone of the same sex? What gives you that right? What in hell's name gives anyone the right to do that at all? Nothing, that's what. Only a demonic person, or a dark soul would say that love is not supposed to exist between some people. Only a fool would question love because of something so stupid as a few physical details.

haha...

roll why waste your energy typing so much ppl r too stubborn to understand 1 because they are immature
2 they are just masking their own faults by drawing attention to others who are seen as lower forms of life rather themselves
3 its just plain annoying to read!

psycho's opinion is come from his roots i understand he is against homosexuals for the fact that our religion beleives its a great sin almost taboo well it is to our types of stubborn dated traditions.which naturally gets converted into anger and leads to discrimination and violence.
we all got to admit we can not have the same opinions about things but judgeing and treating someone different not for the person but about their personal agenda is wrong in ALL religions.

topic closed !

1 - love is love, you cannot go against it, whether you like the idea of marying another man or another women or not... it is none of your concern and it is even ;less tolerated to say its fliping stupid and deny anyone who has the same right as you to love anything else !

2 - these kind of topic always brings to flaming and dissing so i will close these kind, actually i think they should be prohibitted from now on.

the community is too young for it..or just plain immature.

Karma, if you prohibit these kinds of topics, then you'll only make the forum worse. If you don't believe me, then fine. but you'll start to see what I mean within four months of the beginning of any prohibiting.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Karma, if you prohibit these kinds of topics, then you'll only make the forum worse. If you don't believe me, then fine. but you'll start to see what I mean within four months of the beginning of any prohibiting.[/quote]
shes got a point....

time for my 2 cents

I saw at least one post that said society would fall if it was allowed cause there would be no reproduction.

WRONG! Homosexuals wont mate with the opposite sex just because theyre denied the right to marry the same sex; it will have NO effect on the birth rate


Another post stated that theyd rather have gay men married than on the prowl....thats an ignorant thing to say..."gay men" arent more likely to be predators; if you wanna get statistical, im willin to bet that theyre less likely to become predators, since many gays are effeminate and thus less agressive.


Many of you say "no cause its nasty"...thats really besides the point. Drinking from the toilet is nasty, but it aint illegal, and any law making it illegal would be a HUGE infringement of personal rights. What people do is their own damn business.


HOWEVER....i PERSONALLY cringe whenever this topic is brought up; is it correct to call it a marriage as opposed to a union? isnt the term marriage, biblically at least, reserved for a man-woman union?

but again, i feel that its really not the governments place to make that call, just as its a little silly for some states to prohibit alcohol sales on sundays--what in the hell is the justification, if church is truely seperated from state?

don't know hwy its still open, maybe i forgot to push the damn close button... but now is last post i mad ehere, and so are everyone else !

to be hnest i dislike those post and reguardless of what roll says, these kind of topic shouldn't be made at all, for its not your damn business to judge anyone for what they do or want to do. if it doesn't touch you, then its not your damn business, as simple as that !

for my part i love is love you cannot go against it, even worst to be against something just because you don't like it !

anyway... this is closed...