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Roll 06-19-2002 02:29 PM

1- Wasn't this supposed to be a ground only battle?
2-Piccolo getting bigger would only cause him to get hit easily.
3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...
4-Natuko, most of the mistakes you marked are of Spelling errors. Those aren't stupid mistakes, as some people don't know the right spelling or name of someone. So lay off.
5-Where can I find more info about Gill?

06-19-2002 02:31 PM

screw this topic ....what a waste time .......no one knows who is stronger .....4get about it damnit.... :angry:

TarkanX 06-19-2002 02:58 PM

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1- Wasn't this supposed to be a ground only battle
Yep but it got changed along the way.


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2-Piccolo getting bigger would only cause him to get hit easily
He gets hit easily, but he has more durability, and more power.


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3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...

The lava part where Goku gets hit in the anime never happened in the manga, so we don't need to bring this up.


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4-Natuko, most of the mistakes you marked are of Spelling errors. Those aren't stupid mistakes, as some people don't know the right spelling or name of someone. So lay off.
Yeah that's true, it doesn't matter how you spell the name unless it's almost accurate, like Goku, Son Goku, Gokuu, Gokou, etc....



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5-Where can I find more info about Gill?

I'll PM it to you.

TarkanX 06-19-2002 03:00 PM

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screw this topic ....what a waste time .......no one knows who is stronger .....4get about it damnit....

If you don't like this topic, then don't post here unless you have something to say that relates to this topic.

weezer 06-19-2002 03:44 PM

well, its true.....there wil never,and i mean NEVER,be such a crossover such as this one.

princevegetam 06-19-2002 03:52 PM

oh man, i can't believe the load of bull#### i just read. while i was gone for about a day, you guys posted 5 pages of stuff! and tarkan, plz, i don't have a lot of time on my hands, so it's impossible for me to read your long ass posts. the spirit bomb can absorb energy from unnatural objects, because king kai said so when goku first tried the spirit bomb on his planet. he said that the spirit bomb can get energy from the sun and molecules in the air. gohan was not the strongest in dbz because that mystic thing did release his power, but there is no proof that he is the strongest saiyan. and from now on when you guys post something. post something like a source to indicate where you got the info from. like this:

source: dbz manga

TarkanX 06-19-2002 04:22 PM

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well, its true.....there wil never,and i mean NEVER,be such a crossover such as this one.

There have been rumors of a capcom vs. DragonBall.


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oh man, i can't believe the load of bull#### i just read. while i was gone for about a day, you guys posted 5 pages of stuff!
It's a debate, so that's what you'll expect.

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and tarkan, plz, i don't have a lot of time on my hands, so it's impossible for me to read your long ass posts.
At least I have right grammar, and spelling, and this is a debate so you'll have long ass posts to read(you've never been in a real debat have you...?)

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the spirit bomb can absorb energy from unnatural objects, because king kai said so when goku first tried the spirit bomb on his planet. he said that the spirit bomb can get energy from the sun and molecules in the air.
Wow I never thought anyone would remember Goku using the genki-dama on kaio-sama's planet.... Kaio-sama said the genki-dama is gathered from organic matter, yes molecules in the air, and yes the sun.




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gohan was not the strongest in dbz because that mystic thing did release his power, but there is no proof that he is the strongest saiyan. and from now on when you guys post something. post something like a source to indicate where you got the info from. like this:

Gohan was the strongest non-fused Saiya-jin at the end of the Buu saga, but not at the end of the whole series. He was able to beat down Super Buu(with Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks), but faltered against Super Buu(with Piccolo, and Gotenks).

SSJ3 Goku said he stood no chance against any form of Super Buu, and SSJ2 Vegeta stood no chance against any form of Buu in the Buu saga. Vegetto is sthe strongest Saiya-jin, but he is fused.


source: Dragon Ball manga

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 05:00 PM

WOW me and Joe really pumped things up :D
Thanks about the spelling.
Tarkan X your a good guy so I'm not going to kill your theories but Goku has used Keio-Ken while Super Sayian it was level one it was when he was dead. Darn your right he was dead when he used it never mine...

SSJKarma 06-19-2002 05:25 PM

i got enought of reading by page 10 !

let say this !

genki dama (spirit bomb) can only kill BAD people, remember when gohan rebound it on vegeta cause he was good and goku saying that the spirit bomb wouldn't kill him !

next, roll your wrong, in a fight noe can be dumb cause if it was so you could be beaten even by mr. satan...(who can actually disappear from the humain eye's)

third, the only reason why SF couldn't have any chance is in the fact they DONT use enegy the same way has DBZ chars !

example:
goku can go even faster than anyone else ! bull#### he's using enegy to go at that speed !
vegeta has his final flash ! bull####, he's using energy to do it !

think of it that way, without any energy, DB chars and SF could put a great fight together cause in that case, only the best man could win and surely no one can ever know who could win cause NO movie or manga or even game has been made for that purpose !

the best answer in this case is simply...
I DONT KNOW

if you count energy then DB is simply to strong for SF cause SF use energy to their attack and has unlimited energy to do so (in games) but DBZ has limited energy and they se it to do practily what ever they want from increasing their speed to increasing the might to increasy blast density and blast power. they are just not comparable !

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

roll: if anyone who was killed by freeza were wished back, why does the planet vegeta didn't came back ?

dendy did tell that the dragon isn't bound by any dimension or any TIME !

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

for the tail regrown thing, it is true that it regrown after a while but only little gohan had that chance !

example:
when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan but when fighting again 7 month later when the ship of goku (and it is goku's spacepod) called goku but caught gohan and forced him to transform by recreating a moon (gohan at that time had regrowned his tail)

i agree with tarkan, GT SUCKS, not the same creator so not the same thought so the serie gets biazed !

wooo ! that was long enough, so i'll stop !

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 05:44 PM

Darn Karma made the best points today besides Tarkan X. ;)

weezer 06-19-2002 07:04 PM

dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 08:07 PM

[quote:post_uid6="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....[/quote:post_uid6]
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. :D

SSJKarma 06-19-2002 08:16 PM

it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do ! :D

TarkanX 06-19-2002 08:38 PM

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Tarkan X your a good guy so I'm not going to kill your theories but Goku has used Keio-Ken while Super Sayian it was level one it was when he was dead. Darn your right he was dead when he used it never mine...
The fight with Goku and Paikuhan(Pikkon in dub) never happened, it's not in the manga so it's filler.

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genki dama (spirit bomb) can only kill BAD people, remember when gohan rebound it on vegeta cause he was good and goku saying that the spirit bomb wouldn't kill him !
Yes this is true.


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next, roll your wrong, in a fight noe can be dumb cause if it was so you could be beaten even by mr. satan...(who can actually disappear from the humain eye's

Mr. Satan can't disappear, he goes as fast as a normal human would except BARELY faster. The part where they showed Mr. Satan beating Supopobitch in the tenkaichi Bodoukai(flash back) isn't seen in the manga. Mr. Satan just says he beat Supopobitchi.


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third, the only reason why SF couldn't have any chance is in the fact they DONT use enegy the same way has DBZ chars
You don't need huge blasts to win, and like I said before some SF characters would beat the DB"Z" characters.


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example:
goku can go even faster than anyone else ! bull#### he's using enegy to go at that speed !
vegeta has his final flash ! bull####, he's using energy to do it !
final flash is really strong, strong enough to destroy the earth, and By the time Dragon Ball "Z" ends(after the Buu saga), Goku can travel faster than the speed of light.


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think of it that way, without any energy, DB chars and SF could put a great fight together cause in that case, only the best man could win and surely no one can ever know who could win cause NO movie or manga or even game has been made for that purpose !

There hasn't been a cross-over between SF and DB, we can only use the SF games, and DB manga as facts. We can also use the capcom company, and Akira Toriyama as facts.


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if you count energy then DB is simply to strong for SF cause SF use energy to their attack and has unlimited energy to do so (in games) but DBZ has limited energy and they se it to do practily what ever they want from increasing their speed to increasing the might to increasy blast density and blast power. they are just not comparable !

Yes your right, but Gill has unlimited energy when doing his power, fire and ice, he doesn't have to use an inch of his power to use these techniques.


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for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !
I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.


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roll: if anyone who was killed by freeza were wished back, why does the planet vegeta didn't came back ?

dendy did tell that the dragon isn't bound by any dimension or any TIME !

You have to be dead within a year for it to work. If your dead for 2 years, and try to get wished back, then your dead forever unless something dramatic happened like when rou dai kaioshin gave his life to Goku's.


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TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)
Gohan did go SSJ2 in the time room, but only for a short while, even though this wasn't seen, Goku hints that "Gohan went into a new level of unimaginable power". Goku knew he was going to lose against Cell, but Goku didn't know Cell wasn't using his max power when they fought. And goku doesn't care if Gohan passed him, this is proven when Gohan got the power up unleashing all his potential, and Goku says to Gohan, "good luck".


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for the tail regrown thing, it is true that it regrown after a while but only little gohan had that chance
Goku when he was little also regrew his tail, then it was permanently removen.


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example:
when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan but when fighting again 7 month later when the ship of goku (and it is goku's spacepod) called goku but caught gohan and forced him to transform by recreating a moon (gohan at that time had regrowned his tail)

That moon was fake, Gohan's tail was cut off by Piccolo, and Piccolo destroyed the ship which showed the mirage(sp?) of the moon.


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agree with tarkan, GT SUCKS, not the same creator so not the same thought so the serie gets biazed !
The company that created GT was Toei.


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dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

Yeah it's pretty stupid, DB games have gotten bad reviews, and mixing a bad game with a legendary game creates chaos.

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 09:01 PM

O.K. "Final Bout"
The Graphics are good But the buttons are hard to remeber
Because it's not english. ???

Nantuko Joe 06-20-2002 05:11 AM

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Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.


Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.
What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.

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yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.
I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power

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LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million


Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million


Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.
Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:

The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future. Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.

Furiza = around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)

Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000

Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it

Goku = around 40,000,000

Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million. Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000
(because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.

That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).

It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.


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Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....
Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like :D

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Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.
You know what I mean...I'm just saying that as an example...I didn't mean it was stated that it was 5 min

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Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)
No, no no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).

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Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.
That didn't happen in the manga?

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Oro can fly too
No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

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Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore
Damn! You got me! ;)

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True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle
I said "...and counterattack!" "...and counterattack!"

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The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique.
That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)

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*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.
However, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes.

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3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...
Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

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for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !
SSJKarma, we are not saying that there are stated levels, because we know there aren't. I guessed my levels based on previously stated levels and calculated rates of pl growth.

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TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)
No. In the manga, Gohan goes SSJ2 for a couple of secends in the Room of Spirit and Time.

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when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan
No he didn't. He blew up the moon. Gohan's tail wasn't cut off until later on, when Vegeta did it.

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I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.
*Joe sends Tark to read the somewhere above post proving him otherwise*


Whew! A lot of typing. My hands hurt.

weezer 06-20-2002 05:17 AM

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....[/quote]
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&:D[/quote]
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[quote:post_uid0="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&:D[/quote]

I meant a REAL game not a made up one.........And dragonball GT fianl bout is a good game? Dude i have that piece of #### game......it has bad reviews for a reason.......cuz it sucks so bad.......The opening movie is better that the whole game.......

Roll 06-20-2002 08:02 AM

[quote:post_uid7="SSJKarma"]it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do ! :D[/quote:post_uid7]
Could I help you on that? I have a couple of characters already. They're SF though, and I'm still trying to get Sakura. @.@ And which version are you using?

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 10:00 AM

Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form. O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form. I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000, But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)????

TarkanX 06-20-2002 10:32 AM

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What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.
I understand


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I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power
It doesn't say that in the manga, the rou dai kaioshin says you can't turn SSJ anymore because it's useless, and you've reached your max potential so you can't get any stronger.


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Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:
It doesn't say it, I just used theories using proportions(going into math here), and compared them with the present time. There also have been theories like, Trunks said the Androids of the present time are much stronger than Trunks's dimension.


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The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future.
Wrong, Trunks stated that the ones in the present are stronger than the future time. How can this be proven you say? Trunks can't sense the androids ki, but we compare it by how Trunks get beaten badly.

Trunks was beaten in his future badly just before he left to earth to fight the other present androids. But he was even messed up even more. Therefore the androids in the present is stronger than the future androids.


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Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.[quote]

Gohan in the manga from the future does say he wishes Goku was here with them, but then after that, he says "you get us out of jams when we are on the brink of losing". Even if Goku was alive in the future, they still wouldn't beat the androids. But they'd stand much more of a chance.

They could win if they double teamed one android, and went for the other, but the other android will ust come in the fight.



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= around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)
King Kold should be weaker than form 2 Freiza when Form 2 Freiza is almost at max. The reason why is because King Kold said on the shp that him and Freiza fought before, and Freiza had to go to form to and almost at max just to beat his father. So I'd put King Kold at 800,000. This was stated in the manga.


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Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000
Trunks isn't way stronger than Freiza, even though Freiza didn't hit Trunks, he did make Trunks a LITTLE bit winded from the fight. I'd put him at 30 million from the PL you listed.


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Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it
Goku didn't deflect it, he just blocked it with his finger, so Goku would be at 35 -40 million.


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Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million.
You mean SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Trunks had a hard time with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm toying with SSJ Trunks, and Trunks was sweating vigorously. I'd put non-SSJ Gohan with one arm in your terms at 70 million, and SSJ Gohan with one arm at 210 million, or whatever you see SSJ's power increases the non-SSJ.



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Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

the specials don't count. And in the manga, android 17 was using 50% of his power, and was almost even with SSJ Gohan with one arm, but android 17 still had the edge.


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Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000 (because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.
Again that 65 million should be non-SSJ Gohans power level, and android 17 is higher than Gohan, the anime just screwed that up. And Android 17 and Android 18 don't have a huge difference. Just put them one million to two million apart, and android 17 like you said is stronger.


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That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).
Freiza at form 4 max wasn't at a PL of 12 million or lower, he's much higher than that, probably around 20 million, but he's even with SSJ Goku when he's at max. Vegeta is only 5 times weaker than Freiza's form 4 is at max. since Freiza was at 20% when he transformed.

Vegeta never fought imperfect Cell, he fought against Semi-Perfect Cell, and Vegeta got the time room training for a year which really upped his power by a huge margin.

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It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.
Tenshinhan held Semi-Perfect Cell, because of the Shin Kikohou. It's a VERY powerful move, but strains the body really fast out of the opponent. And Tenshinhan's shin kikohou held of Super Buu(with Piccolo, and Gotenks). But Tenshinhan got tired easily and fainted.


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Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like
I don't care, go ahead.



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no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).
Oro's variable yagyou-dama can go against a really powered up kamehameha.

Oro's tengou stone can go against Piccolo's rapid fireball attack thing or whatever it's called.

That's all i know right now...

by the way what part of the series was the Ryuken attacked used?


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That didn't happen in the manga?
No it didn't happen, Form 4 freiza at max was even with SSJ Goku until Freiza got tired because of stress, then Goku laid the beat down on Freiza.



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No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

Oro can use the variable kishin riki in the sky as well....



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That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)
Freiza was an idiot, he wasn't even using his full power against Goku, only 70% of it. And Freiza didn't know Goku was doing.

If Goku did throw the Genki-dama at Bison, Bison would just teleport, if he tried to throw it at twelve, twelve would disappear, and Goku can't sense or see him, so he wouldn't know where to throw it. If he's charging it up against Evil Ryu, Evil Ryu would just shun goku satsu him... It won't work against Gill, or Oro since they're good.


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, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes
But what's well aimed if the opponent keeps on moving that you can't get a good direct attack.



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Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

Like I said, the lava part didn't happen, it wasn't in the manga, and Goku can't make a shield around himself.

TarkanX 06-20-2002 10:40 AM

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Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form.
Freiza was at 1,060,000 at max in form 2, he was never at max in form 2 though, he was using 90% of his power before he transformed into form 3, well at least close to 90%.


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O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form.
That's not true, they didn't match blow for blow, reiza, and Vegeta just grappled hands, after the grapple, Vegeta was just plain warned out, and Freiza was like nothing happened.


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I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000,
Freiza double his power from his max in the forms, but Vegeta wasn't at 500,000, and Freiza's max in form 1 is 530,000, which freiza was never at max in form 1, or form 2, or form 3.

Vegeta was probably 80,000, but he wasn't at 90,000 or over because Goku was stronger than Vegeta at that time.


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But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)?

Goku's max wasn't at 180,000, it was at 90,000, he just went kaio-ken to get to 180,000, because Ginyu was roughing Goku up, and Ginyu's max was at 120,000. Goku's max was stronger than Vegeta's max, but then vegeta received a HUGE power-up when he was healed by Dende.

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 11:14 AM

Thanks Tarkan X I was a bet lost there.. ;)

SSJKarma 06-20-2002 11:15 AM

TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?

i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !

in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !

he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !

he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !

as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

and for dbz games, it is simply cause they cannot do the same thing as the TV or the manga, the rythm would be impossible to follow !

Hyper Dimension was a great game and those botouden were too and i believe that UB22 was great. Final bout is good but it has sluggish movements so it is hard to fight and if you had learn those hyper combo thing you would find the game going at the pace of the TV show !

anyway like i said the real answer to that question is:
I DONT KNOW !

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 11:24 AM

[quote:post_uid10="SSJKarma"]TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?

i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !

in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !

he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !

he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !

as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

and for dbz games, it is simply cause they cannot do the same thing as the TV or the manga, the rythm would be impossible to follow !

Hyper Dimension was a great game and those botouden were too and i believe that UB22 was great. Final bout is good but it has sluggish movements so it is hard to fight and if you had learn those hyper combo thing you would find the game going at the pace of the TV show !

anyway like i said the real answer to that question is:
I DONT KNOW ![/quote:post_uid10]
VERY TRUE SO you Know how to do the hyper Combo's and the Blast challenges thats what makes that game good. But normal Combo are slow when there done but look cool.
Have You trianed a Person on that game.Oh and when your training there is a serect box after Block7 there is the Strongest fights ever in The Unoffiacal GT series. Try the secert Box First you have to put a code in the converter But tat is the funniest Part of the Game besides playing with Golden Uzauru.(Check it out Karma) :D ;)

TarkanX 06-20-2002 11:44 AM

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TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?
I didn't say that, you think that all this info from the manga is getting makes you think I'm the only person who knows about DB"Z"?


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i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !
Yes they are the same, but the anime screws up a lot of things like power levels, and they add in filler stuff that doesn't need to be there.

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in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !
Well that's the anime, in the magna Mr. Satan gets shot, and Buu kills the robbers, then Buu heals Mr. Satan.

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he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !
read what I said above, and Mr. Satan can't dissapear!! No one can in the DB"Z" world! dissapearing is when you cloak yourself so no one can see you.



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he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !
Mr. Satan is just BARELY above the average human. He doesn't show any super strength like captain America, and moves just as fast as a normal human would(but a bit better). Mr. Satan's strength is just above the average human, he can probably bench 300 lbs. but that's about it... The only strength he shows is winning the tenkaichi bodoukai, but the past tenkaichi bodoukais were with normal fighters who train.



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as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

Fat Buu seperated himself to release all the bad in himself, when Fat Buu seperated, there was Good Buu which looked like fat buu, and evil buu whcih was really thin. Thin Buu ate good buu and turned into super buu.




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dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

In the manga you can see the movements of the characters, but they go really fast, and state that they are moving at fast speed.

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 11:50 AM

Sounds magna fast(whistles) :D
Tien tied with Goku in a tournament,
But I never got to see how Goku beats Chi chi in the World Martial Arts Tournament in Magna DB series.
Tell me Tarkan X. ;)

TarkanX 06-20-2002 11:57 AM

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Tien tied with Goku in a tournament
They were pretty even, but Goku landed on the ground barely before Tenshinhan did, so Tenshinhan won.

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But I never got to see how Goku beats Chi chi in the World Martial Arts Tournament in Magna DB series.
Tell me Tarkan X.
Boring fight... Goku beats chi chi, nuff said. I don't even call this a fight.

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 12:13 PM

Who told Piccolo about the tournament and how did he end up at the martial Arts tournaments. In the BBZ series who is the guy in Bulma's flash back about poeple who spoke Namek besides Piccolo ???
Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek. :0

TarkanX 06-20-2002 12:16 PM

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Who told Piccolo about the tournament and how did he end up at the martial Arts tournaments.
He went on his own will.


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In the BBZ series who is the guy in Bulma's flash back about poeple who spoke Namek besides Piccolo

I don't know what your talking about here.

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 12:19 PM

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Who told Piccolo about the tournament and how did he end up at the martial Arts tournaments. In the BBZ series who is the guy in Bulma's flash back about poeple who spoke Namek besides Piccolo ???
Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek. :0[/quote]
Answer the rest of my quote please. ;)

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 12:21 PM

Do Ryu and Ken ever seriously fight each other and who wins... I must know???

TarkanX 06-20-2002 12:30 PM

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Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek.
Goku's mom was never seen, and I don't know if Goku's father fought dodoria, since we never saw how planet vegeta was destroyed, it was just talked about.


Please slow down on the questions, if you want to know a lot about DB"Z", make a new topic.

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 12:32 PM

Sorry about that How do i start my own topic ???

TarkanX 06-20-2002 12:37 PM

Ryu and Ken fought seriously before, but Ryu won each time, Ken won once, but Ryu wasn't concentrating.

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Sorry about that How do i start my own topic
.....*sigh* to start a new topic, go down all the way to the bottom of the page, then click new topic, and then you know what to do from there(I hope you know).

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 12:52 PM

Well I made two of the same thing but besides that I did ok.

06-20-2002 01:33 PM

man .......Now u r flooding SBYR2.......... ???

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 02:14 PM

[quote:post_uid6="wrestlemania"]man .......Now u r flooding SBYR2.......... ???[/quote:post_uid6]
Yeah I'm making way to many mistakes.

SSJKarma 06-20-2002 05:05 PM

TarkanX: it is in the manga, im sure of it since it's a big part of story !

he's talking about Kami over taking a body to fight evil piccolo then using the bottle techniques that get Kami being sucked in then goku make trash talk so piccolo grows then goku get in and out with the bottle then break them to free Kami...

sorry got caught by my typing, you what i mean !

about chi chi in the fight it is simple !

23rd tenkachi budokai... every fighters get's in !
piccolo too (revenge on goku beating him last time)

here is what they had at final:
goku vs anonymous hope (english name, dont know the japanese one)
Piccolo vs krillin (pretty good fight i think)
Tien vs ... (a guy not known and not important)
Yamcha vs Shen (who is actually kami overtaking a body)

goku came in and the girl who was in front reconize him and start telling him that he made a promess to her... but when goku did not reconize her at all she gets mad and attack him, blows were exchange (about 2 or 3) then i dont know what happen after that (blank in my memory) but goku blasted her with a kamehameha and she gets knocked uncounscious !

after the fight when she get to him again they exchanged word then goku realize who he had in front of him ! (goku last saw chichi when she had something like 8 so she has change a lot since then)

then they get married since goku made the promisse when she was young and had gohan as his child !

the question im asking, are we seeing the wedding in the Manga ?

TarkanX 06-20-2002 05:14 PM

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TarkanX: it is in the manga, im sure of it since it's a big part of story !
Already knew this was in the manga

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he's talking about Kami over taking a body to fight evil piccolo then using the bottle techniques that get Kami being sucked in then goku make trash talk so piccolo grows then goku get in and out with the bottle then break them to free Kami...
Yeah true....


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about chi chi in the fight it is simple !

23rd tenkachi budokai... every fighters get's in !
piccolo too (revenge on goku beating him last time)
Yep

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here is what they had at final:
goku vs anonymous hope (english name, dont know the japanese one)
Piccolo vs krillin (pretty good fight i think)
Tien vs ... (a guy not known and not important)
Yamcha vs Shen (who is actually kami overtaking a body)

I forgot who Goku fought since I don't have this volume of the manga, I'm going to have to borrow this volume from my friend.

I remember the Piccolo vs. Krillin fight, and Krillin got his ass kicked plain and simple.

forgot who tenshinhan fought, but tenshinhan won i think.

Yamucha lost to Shen



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goku came in and the girl who was in front reconize him and start telling him that he made a promess to her... but when goku did not reconize her at all she gets mad and attack him, blows were exchange (about 2 or 3) then i dont know what happen after that (blank in my memory) but goku blasted her with a kamehameha and she gets knocked uncounscious !
I believe that they didn't exchange blows, I don't even think goku blasted her with a kamehameha, but she did get knocked unconscious by Goku.

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after the fight when she get to him again they exchanged word then goku realize who he had in front of him ! (goku last saw chichi when she had something like 8 so she has change a lot since then)
Goku was about 12 when he met chi chi, and chi was 11 when they first met.

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then they get married since goku made the promisse when she was young and had gohan as his child !
Yep....



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the question im asking, are we seeing the wedding in the Manga ?
Yeah I remember the marriage in the manga.

SSJKarma 06-20-2002 07:39 PM

TarkanX: they did attack each other cause BANDAI (not the other crappy creators) made all there games like that !

chi chi started the fight by talking to goku making him say that he know it's chichi (he didn't reconized her) then chi chi got mad and rushed him for some hit who goku actually never block (he knew she was weak) then they talked again and goku gave 2 or 3 punches then he finished her off with little energy ball (not kamehameha, my fault) then she got uncounsious and goku actually he had knocked her with too much power !

dont know if on TV it showed like that or even if the manga did something like that, but all the RPG games who were at that sequence were made that way !

the truth about all this is in the manga but im pretty sure they exchanged some punch or kick even if it is only 2 or 3 !

i want to know something...
on TV, goku remember a fight he had with chichi when they were young !
goku was by the big tree than chichi was talking about doing things that people like to do then when she looked back goku were punching her and they had much fun !

is that in the manga ?
if so, then was she as strong as him ?


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