[quote:post_uid0="kester-"][quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]If he ever would come[/quote]
its not a question of "if" , but a question of "when".

and to answer that, it will probably be soon. and when i say soon i mean like within the century.

so unless you repent, you will either die and go to hell or He will come back and send you there Himself. :buttrock:[/quote]
No, it's an "if."

You have no proof that the christian/catholic religion is of any accuracy. Science has already proven aspects of the Bible to be FALSE, yet you people continue your bible-thumping.

Tell me, what PROOF do you have that Jesus Christ will come back from the dead and the Book of Revelations will actually occur? What PROOF do you have that there exists a heaven and a hell? What PROOF do you have that your religion is correct, and all other religions are wrong?

Yeah, that's another thing. You're forgetting that there are hundreds of other religions in the world. Who are you to say that they are wrong and you are right? What proof do you have that your religion is more accurate than any other? For all you know, when you die, instead of going to heaven or hell, you could be reincarnated as a panda. I even asked a catholic once, "so are you saying that despite the fact you have no evidence to prove your religion's accuracy, anyone not of the catholic religion will go to hell?"

And he said "yes, because I'm taught that my god is the only god, and anyone who worships any other god will go to hell."

How pompous, to believe you can persecute others because they do not share your beliefs that aren't even supported to be true themselves.

there is no hell...they show the location of hell so why don't you take a visit? No one will...when you die you are most probably going to be another human being with no memories.

Here's my opinion on this matter.

I have always believed that HELL exists, in one form or another. But i seriously doubt that it is in the earth's core, that part of the artical sounded like a bunch of BS.

If there was no " HELL " no " Heaven " no " GOD ", what would be our purpose? Life would be a complete waste! We would just be a coincidence. Take a look at the beuty of the universe, All of this simply CANNOT be coincidence. all of this would be a " Result " of some crazy theory, such as the " Big Bang Theory ". Take a look at the perfectness of the earth. If the earth was to tilt 1 degree to the left or to the right, we all would get flung out into space so fast that our bones would be ripped out of our bodies. Tell me that is a coincident, No way in HELL it is. So there has to be a God - of some sort, who created all of this, and is holy. So there has to be a HELL for people who do not worship him. Saying this there should also be a heaven, a place of paradise, no pain, sickness suffering, no darkness. Where the streets are paved with gold and you are happy forever.



There simply has to be a Hell!



Edited By akuma_forever on Mar. 19 2004 at 08:04

[quote:post_uid0="Shauku"]Science[/quote]
science.....ah yes science


to answer your question about proof:

there is no proof at this time except the bible.

but to beleive that the Bible is true you have to have FAITH.



science also requires faith to beleive it.

there isnt any proof there is a hell.I mean cmon if youdie then u die and thats it. u cant feel anything... cant see anything... or hear anything and dats all that happens. pretty soon ur body rots away and turns to skeletons. so u think u go to a graveyard and the devil took someones body and took them to hell????? so wudn the body dissapear.anyway how does anyone no about hell.. if yougo to the center of the earth ull burn in 1 second. so i gotta agree with joe and masterx. Most intelligent award goes to Joe lol...plus who wrote the bible anyway???

EDIT:akuma said ur gonna be another human without memmories. that wud be the life! tho it mite happen u never no!



Edited By coolplayer2K2 on Mar. 19 2004 at 08:33

[quote:post_uid0="akuma_forever"]Here's my opinion on this matter.

I have always believed that HELL exists, in one form or another. But i seriously doubt that it is in the earth's core, that part of the artical sounded like a bunch of BS.

If there was no " HELL " no " Heaven " no " GOD ", what would be our purpose? Life would be a complete waste! We would just be a coincidence. Take a look at the beuty of the universe, All of this simply CANNOT be coincidence. all of this would be a " Result " of some crazy theory, such as the " Big Bang Theory ". Take a look at the perfectness of the earth. If the earth was to tilt 1 degree to the left or to the right, we all would get flung out into space so fast that our bones would be ripped out of our bodies. Tell me that is a coincident, No way in HELL it is. So there has to be a God - of some sort, who created all of this, and is holy. So there has to be a HELL for people who do not worship him. Saying this there should also be a heaven, a place of paradise, no pain, sickness suffering, no darkness. Where the streets are paved with gold and you are happy forever.



There simply has to be a Hell![/quote]
Well said akuma forever, there is no way all this is a coincidence, JOE don't even compare science to the bible.
Joe are u saying that creation just began by its self without a source. Example: when turning on the lights, it just can light by its self, there is a source of energy that makes the bulb light which is the power source, batteries,generators,extra. same thing with the Universe everything into place the sun, planets,stars, extra. There must be a source of energy that created them which concludes to the existence of GOD, no man has the wisdom or strength to create such beauty. THERE IS A HELL, THERE IS ALSO A GOD and a HEAVEN. Joe ur not as smart as u think u are if yousay there is no God, everything is a coincidence.!!! ???

Why CAN'T it be coincidence? You merely BELIEVE that it's not coincidence, but you have no proof that it's not. Aside from a 2000 year old book, what PROOF do you have that there is a god? The fact that your mind can't comprehend a world without a "purpose."

Our purpose is to reproduce, so the human race can live on for as long as possible. We are no different from sharks or ants or dogs or elephants or any other animal, with the exception of the fact that our minds are more highly EVOLVED.

So you say that if there was no heaven, hell, or god, then what is our purpose? Tell me, what is a koala's purpose in life? Why does religion affect only us humans and not other life on earth? Simply because we're intelligent enough to understand writings on pages of a book?

The Bible is NOT proof though. The bible is a book, a story. If you say that the Bible is proof that god exists, then I could say that the teachings of the Inuit Natives of a few hundred years ago are PROOF that Anguta, Aningan, Irdlirvirisissong, and Sedna really exist. If you say that the Bible is PROOF, then I could say that the writings and stories of the greeks are proof that Adonis, Acheron, Aphrodite, Eris, Gaia, Hades and Poseidon really exist.

You see what I'm saying? The bible is NOT special, because there are countless other tomes and teachings that suggest the presence of OTHER spirits and gods that are NOT the One God. So for you to say that the existence of a 2000-year-old storybook is PROOF of god is not proof at all, but is ridiculous. Because if you consider the Bible as proof that god exists, then I can consider all the other books of spiritual teachings of other religions as proof that god does NOT exist. After all, what makes your religion any more dominant or important than any of the others?

No one KNOWS the source of the universe. You christians THINK that a god is responsible. The Japanese THINK that Amaterasu is responsible. The Aztecs THINK that Ometeotl is responsible. And the scientists THINK that the Big Bang (or in your words, coincidence) is responsible. But no one KNOWS who or what is responsible. For you to claim that you KNOW when you don't have any evidence or proof is pig-headed and ignorant.

There is a source to everything. As Einstein said, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but transformed and converted. So there had to be a source somewhere down the line. Whether or not that source was the big bang, or god, or Amaterasu, or Ometeotl, or any of the other gods, is yet to be seen. But if you have no PROOF to your claims, then stop fliping making them.

THERE IS NO HELL, THERE IS ALSO NO GOD AND NO HEAVEN.

See? I can make claims too. But without proof, they don't mean jack-shiat. Same as your "there is a hell, god and heaven" claim above. You're telling me what you BELIEVE, but not what really exists. You're telling me what you THINK exists, but with no proof to back your claims.

I may not be as smart as I think I am, but I am a lot smarter than you, and am a lot smarter than you give me credit for.

Especially in subjects such as this, where I actually have knowledge of all sides of the playing field. You don't know...I USED to be roman-catholic, I USED to believe in god. And it was my ability to think for myself instead of jumping on the bandwagon that I realized the bible, that the aspect of god, is flat-out ridiculous, and moreover, insulting to me.

So maybe when you decide to bring some solid evidence to the table, i'll start taking you, and akuma, and kester, and anyone else who argues for the existence of god seriously. But if all you have is blind, unsupported faith and belief, then refrain from attempting to make an argument, because 1) not everyone shares your beliefs and 2) your beliefs are not proof.

So yes, I WILL compare science to religion....especially since science has already proven a few parts of the Bible to be WRONG.



Edited By Shauku on Mar. 19 2004 at 13:16

I know that GOD exists and the Devil exists as well........u know what? the Devil is probably laughing at u saying that young one so blinded by my darkness!!!! Without God there wouldn't be light, we wouldn't have a soul,extra. Faith is by hearing what a person says then believing that its true, u don't need prove. I've seen miracles, people being healed from cancer. In 1954 a boy was healed of cancer while back then scientist couldn't cure cancer even now they still can't figure it out. God will not prove his existance to a person who has no faith, i have faith and God proved to me his existance and presence. Joe u have no idea what is going on in the world cause if youknew u wouldn't say such things. OPEN ur HEARTS to faith all you unwise mortals.

You don't need god to have a soul, you know. Souls literally have no affiliation with any gods at all, no matter what texts you read. Your soul is your soul, and I'd advise you not to place it in different affiliations ever again.

You're one to talk. Faith is not the same as believing. It's another word for a shadowy hope, or a livid fantasy that may stand a chance of becoming a reality with the continuous flow of time. If not believing in a dream that comes from a very old book is unwise, then this generation is just plain stupid. --You're also a mortal too, if you didn't notice, so we'd appreciate it if you didn't call other people mortals as if it were a weakness or a bad thing.

The event of 1954, btw, was not a miracle. Miracles happen only when something is needed desperately, and it has a small chance of actually reaching the event needing of a miracle. If the boy actually had cancer and he healed, he may have had something (anything at all) that could have defeated the virus by itself without the use of medicines and toxins. I'd like to see you back up the miracle statement with some proof, if you ever could. Miracles can and have been proven, so don't tell me that it cannot be; unless, of course, you wish to be laughed at outside and inside the forum for false intelligence.

sounds like all ofus,just need to read the book of REVALATION! :biggrin: