[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Nice point, SBYRD5. However, one of the reasons Mr. Popo was able to fend off Goten and Trunks in training is because he is immortal, he cannot die. So he isn't that strong at all physically, but i guess due to his immortality he can block some attacks. And according to my guesses, SSJGoten and SSJTrunks were prolly even in power with King Kold. But good point. That's the kind of good debating I'm looking for in this topic.[/quote]
Yes, that would explain a good bit,but remeber Garlic Jr. He was immortal,but piccolo kicked him around like he was nothing,and piccolo wasn't even fused with Kame at that time.

Now if SSJTrunks was infact stronger than SSJGoten.(At that time).Also the fact that there SSJ how could Mr.Popo even stand up to there power.He must have more power than they actually showed in the series by him being immortal he had plenty of time to perfect arts of fighting....,or it was a fluke by the creator.

I think it was a fluke by the creator.Now Mr.Popo was to much of a coward when Nappa and Prince Vegeta arrived at earth.Now we clearly stated that all the SSJ poeple and Piccolo could defeat the Street Fighters hands down.Now Piccolo is special he is only a little stronger than the powers of a level 1 SSJ Fighter because of his fusion with Kame.

Ok, Piccolo was evenly matched Android 17.Now 17 and 18 are about the same in power.Now robots stay at the same level of oppration unless the robot rusts or something else enterferres.As you noticed SSJTrunks(Not future Trunks) and SSJGoten fought Android 18 in the Adult Tournament...secertly. ;)

With both the boys together against 18...they seemed evenly matched.Now to the point of this post.After all of that said.The boys were at the level of SSJ 1.I think they were stronger than King Cold.

Now remeber Future Trunks only hit King Cold one time with his hands and crippled him.(Note:he was at level one).Now SSJTrunks and SSJgotens should've had the power in there kicks and punches to knock Mr.Popo out of Kames lookout.

Now you can clearly see that ome point in time Mr.Popo must of went through some training.Also the fact that he's immortal he would wipe the floor with the Street Fighters.OK i'm not going to post here anymore.

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That never happened in the manga, therefore, it doesn't count. Those were only episodes. Toriyama never wrote the Garlic Jr. Saga, they were created by TOEI animation. And since Tarkan stated that we can't refer to anything that contradicts the manga, that claim goes unsupported

Because your Garlic Jr. statement is invalid, the immortality that Popo possesses must somehow give him enormous defensive capabilities. That's the only explanation

Toriyama made no flukes. Popo didn't participate in the battle with Nappa and Vegeta because of Kame-sama's death when Piccolo died. Kame asked Popo to stay and watch over earth in his absence. Therefore, he stayed at Kame's palace.

And yes, Piccolo (fused with Kame-sama) was stronger than Vegeta before Vegeta entered the Room of Spirit and Time. Therefore, that statement is valid. :D

Yes, Piccolo was even with Android #17. However, 17 and 18 were NOT about the same in power, it was stated that 17 was much stronger than 18. Therefore, had Piccolo taken on 18 before 17, 18 prolly would have been killed and Cell never would have gone perfect.

However, 18's power level did indeed rise. When Kuririn wished 18 back to life, he wished that she wasn't an android anymore. Because she was no longer an android, her power level max could have raised, and therefore would account for her holding up against Goten and Trunks

Because Toriyama didn't give out Kold's power level, all levels regarding Kold are subject to guesses. According to my guesses, SSJ Trunks was slightly stronger than Kold, and SSJ Goten was prolly around even to Kold. After all, Goku DID state that because Trunks was a year older than Goten, he prolly was stronger.

But like I said before: since the Garlic Jr. statement is invalid, the only explanation for Popo's huge defensive abilities must be the type of immortality he has obtained.

I guess that in the DBZ universe, there are three types of immortality. The first type is normal immortality (ie. Muten Roshi), in the fact that although he can never die, he is pretty weak. The second type (if you insist on using Garlic Jr.) would be Garlic Jr.'s type of immortality. Not only is he immortal, but he has excellent offensive capabilities, with lesser defensive capabilities. Then i guess there's Popo's type of immortality, with extremely weak offensive capabilities but excellent defensive capabilities.

Then the Z warriors listed will then power up blowing E Honda away.


i kN0w dAt iS s0 k001 11111

The weakest Street Fighter can beat her.

"I fly, but I waste all my energy within a short time"

"I can barely manipulate ki, but I faint after that"


Actually... SF storyline is better than DB"Z". After Freiza was beaten by Goku, that's where it all sucked. EVeryone turned SSJ, next thing you know, Chaotzu turns SSJ.

Besides Gill can detsroy the planet without really trying, and the SFers dont need to destroy planets to beat the DB"Z" characters


The Tekken fighters are just people with highly trained skills.

And actually SNK beats Capcom if you count Orochi, since only the people who weild the powers of the crimson flames can hurt Orochi. Other than that, Capcom beats SNK storywise.

That is game play wise, some SFers arent even at their best in the game... Akuma, Oro, Gill, Urien, and some others. And many times, or at least if the character is really powerful, comparably close to them, or above them, DB"Z" characters power up for a moment, and blast them.

I didn't say SSJ3 Goku moves faster than the speed of light, though he's close to it.


SF can increase ki too. Look at Akuma, and Oro, and Gill, and many others.

If their ki reaches 0, then they die, Goku's PL was above 1 which is for sure, he was just badly injured.

Why does everyone bring up Ryu losing to a character, when everyone should know Ryu is no where near the strongest....

That would be pretty dumb to self destruct against someone, even what he did against Nappa was dumb. Besides Ryu would just Denjin-Hadouken Chaotzu to stun him, then when its almost going to explode, Ryu runs away.

Nappa's PL wasn't given, though his max was near 7,500(which is what most experts put it at.)

Krillin beats Ryu, Taiyoken(blind eye attack), then Kienzan, but he never does it since it'll ruin the manga. Tenshinhan blasts Ryu with his Kikohou, Ryu's defense is as good as a buff(not VERY buff) martial artist. Even Yamucha can beat Ryu. Not sure abotu CHaotzu, he has bad defense, and he isnt fast.

I doubt Chaotzu ever passes 10,000, and the humans don't pass 100,000 IMO, except maybe for Krillin. And what do you mean by if Capcom gave PL's to SF, they would be 2000-3000? Gill crushes anyone with a walking stick.

take an english course.

Chaotzu never passes 10,000 in general.

He'd lose against the top tiers easily, don't know about the rest of the tiers(not including characters like Evil Ryu, Urien, Dhalsim, Rose, etc..)

Never happened in the manga.

He never trains in the DB, and DB"Z" saga ever.


Mr. Popo against little SSJ kids is filler. And King Kold is weaker than Freiza's second form when he just transforms.

SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten are almost even, and SSJ Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta a hard time, which SSJ Vegeta was strong as SSJ Goku in the Cell games, since Vegeta, and Goku reached the limit in power of SSJ, so the kids will dispatch of King Kold.


Troy88: well put, that is so true

He tried wishing that, but it didn't work, the he wished for the explosives to be removed in her body. She did give birth to Marron, but onyl because she has some biological parts in her, her PL though cannot rise.

my god... please, please... STOP THIS TOPIC!!!

and tarkan... heh, dude.. you watch too much T.V. ???

I'm merely using the power to destroy planets as a measure of their power. Most DBZ characters, SHOULD THEY WANT TO, could destroy a planet without even really trying. SF characters, on the other hand, prolly don't even have enough energy, SHOULD THEY WANT TO, to blow up North America

I say that Nappa's pl was around 4,000. His (max) of 7,500 you put him at is a tad high. However, I could say that he could have powered up for his mouth beam he shot at Goku, and therefore had a pl of 7,500 while shooting hte beam. But not during fighting. Goku owned Nappa during the normal fight itself

Chaotzu prolly did pass 10,000 by the end of DBZ, due mainly in part to North Kaio's training (though he didn't get far past 10,000). And I'm pretty sure that even IF Kuririn was the strongest human, that Tenshinhan would be very close to Kuririn in pl. Hell, I even think that Tenshinhan would defeat Kuririn in a fight

Thanks for clarifying that for us. I was suspecting that it didn't happen in the manga, due to the unexplanation of Popo's power increase in the anime

Tenshinhan stated that he felt Furiza's ki, then a ki even greater.

If you ask me, I'd peg SSJ Trunks at around 40,000,000, and SSJ Goten at around 37,000,000

Then how do you explain the fact that Android #18 successfully defended herself and held off both SSJ Trunks and SSJ Gotend during the Tenkaichi Budoukai?

It was never stated in the manga that Nappa's PL was 4,000, that's Daizenshuu, and Nappa didn't do a mouth beam. He was very close to 7,500 against Goku's max which is about 8,100. Even Vegeta said this would take days.

Let's see.. his PL was not too much over 1,000 when he came to the planet, he doesn't train in any specific motives(kaio-ken, Genki-dama), his PL doesn't get a high jump as comparably to the others.... If Goku got a 19x increase on Kaio's planet, Chaotzu should get much weaker, even though he spent more days. Kaio-sama didn't rigurously train them like he did to Goku, because he knew they weren't needed, I give him a 5x increase on average.

Not the Human debate again.... Krillin is stronger than tenshinhan at the end of DB"Z". Tenshinhan stopped training after Cell was detsroyed, he said he would never see them again.

Tenshinhan never said that.

Even though those PL's are very low, they are too far apart % wise at least make SSJ Goten 39 million by your PL's.

She defended herself against regular Trunks, and Goten(and was considerably winning), when they turned SSJ, she threw a Kienzan because she knew who they were.

Basically the only thing on TV I watch is CNN, and sports, I read the Dragon Ball comics... I only watch it on TV to see what funimation or Toei did wrong.

Then the mouth beam must have been anime-only. All I know is that when Vegeta said Gohan was at 2,800, Nappa reacted surprised. ALMOST afraid that he could get that high.

So did Kuririn. After the Cell Games, Kuririn stopped training.

Well, since there were no stated PLs, and considering the fact that Android 18 held off both goten and trunks during the Tenkaichi Budoukai, I'd have to say that each of them prolly were over half as strong as her, with Trunks being stronger than Goten. What would YOU peg Goten and Trunks at?

Same here. at least with the english version. the jap version is so much more accurate

dbz would win for sure streetfighter doesnt even have a chance goku and all the other saiyans can move faster than the speed of light and make huge kame hame ha waves 100 times bigger that a hadouken they wouldnt even have to go super to destroy streetfighter. :D :p