ok...
i think we getting nowhere since whatever we say, you're just ignoring it and go on with your arguments !

i asked a question...
WHO CREATED GOD ?
don't answer me he just appeared out of nowhere and created us !

also...
you wanna talk about the bible being true...
then why is there a BIG BIG BIG GAP between ADAM AND EVE and the time the bible start ?

really, there is that 65,000,000 million years !
the dinosaurs, why isn't any PASSAGE about them in the bible ?
if the bible is everything, then why is it only about 800 pages when clearly the history of the different country itself is way more then those little 800 pages !

don't tell m the ORAL thing, cause it just prooves that i am right about the bible not being true entirely !

also...
# - YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IDOLS (remember the commandments ? that one is the perfect IMPOSSIBLE one. we made GOD itself an IDOL, by believing, offering etc... to him)

tell, answer those questions please and see how your believes about god doesn'T even cover those gaps !

one last thing... if god created the earth, then what about the other planets and galaxies ? what about the aliens and everything else ! basically i'm talking about the whole universe !

we've been talking only about the earth and us, but notice how religions doesn't cover the rest of the universe !
if i follow the religions, then there is a whole universe but only earth is worth the talk.

bullpoop...
religions doesn't cover the rest that is constituting the universe itself !

answer those questions please, or at least try to !


and scorp... who do you think you are to tell us that USA is better then any other country ?
my country (canada) was also based off religions, all countries in the whole world have started that way.
just look at the history of the different countries and see how all countries have that in common !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]ok...
i think we getting nowhere since whatever we say, you're just ignoring it and go on with your arguments ! [/quote]
Ok, time to get things straight...
Don't just say he appeared out of nowhere? Oh wait, how'd the big bang happen, everything that comprised it came from nowhere you say?

It's actually over 800 pages (I remember) unless it's got REALLY big pages and REALLY small font..

God created the earth.. you know the story :S
A higher angel (Lucifer) rebelled in heaven.. and was cast down, along with other of his cohorts.. (Satan and the demons :S) This, as many people say (Christians) caused the extinction of earlier species (before man), the Bible you could call a puzzle, as you have to fit pieces from information from all around it into one place to sometimes figure things out. Then it goes on to say the earth was "dark and without form" or somethin' like that.. lol, don't remember the exact phrase.. then He created man..

Don't be idiotical. How can they MAKE God an idol, the PURPOSE of man's creation, as in the Bible, is for God's pleasure (last time I remember reading)
'Cuz we don't NEED to know about the other planets, we have enough trouble with OURS. AND, when the Bible was written, did they even know about ANY other planets? Hell, most of 'em didn't even know the world was a sphere!



I wasn't saying that, sorry if that's the point I got across to you..
I meant to say, compare countries like the USA, England, etc..
to countries like China, countries in South America, etc



Edited By Scorponok on June 16 2003 at 23:52

Ok Elena/ScorP, if PeoPle Passed on stories.. then what about the Dinosaur times, where there WERE no PeoPle?
Did the Dinosaurs haPpen to find Ink and write stories while takin' a craP in the woods? Where was God then!?

And about your 800 Pages long book..
Yes, PeoPle Probably just write 'em for fun, I've seen LONGER Pages Books than that.

And common, are you actually telling me you believe in a book that you've never actually exPerienced?
Oh and in one of the sections in the Bible, didn't it say that the World was gonna blow uP at 2000?
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THAT!?
Did god make a Glitch in his game..?

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]And common, are you actually telling me you believe in a book that you've never actually exPerienced?
Oh and in one of the sections in the Bible, didn't it say that the World was gonna blow uP at 2000?
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THAT!?
Did god make a Glitch in his game..?[/quote]
heh well if your refering to the book of Revelations then you kinda got it mixed up, this section tells of the second comming of Christ it also says that no man shall know the time or hour in which this will happen. However Revelations does give some of the signs of the second comming Wars and Rumors of Wars etc. If you want i could post a few scriptures if you need more clearification :)

No.. No.. Please don't!
I'd rather not read it.

But it was my Science teacher who tol dme that there's a section in the Bible that says the World was to be Over in 2000!

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]No.. No.. Please don't!
I'd rather not read it.

But it was my Science teacher who tol dme that there's a section in the Bible that says the World was to be Over in 2000![/quote]
i am soooo sorry Z i dont wanna seem like im pushing you towards Christianity or anything. I just wanted to show you that the bible doesnt give a specific date of the rapture. *sorry again*
anyways im glad that there are some people in this forum who enjoy a good debate (although this one will never be resolved) :D people will believe what they want to....In my opinion the world is roughly made up of two types of people. Those who base there lives on Religion and those who base theres on Science.......

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]Ok Elena/ScorP, if PeoPle Passed on stories.. then what about the Dinosaur times, where there WERE no PeoPle?
Did the Dinosaurs haPpen to find Ink and write stories while takin' a craP in the woods? Where was God then!?[/quote]
If you actually read what it said, He gave humans priority over the other creatures.. intelligence wise, authority wise, and he gave us a soul :S

NO THERE WAS NOT

:alien:



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 01:42

Blossom, I also resPect your oPinion, and no need to aPology.

And i'm reallyglad you called me by my name "Z" ;], instead of saying asshole, my real name is "Zora", just incase you didn't know!


Oh and ScorPo, that's what I've heard!

be real will you...
that's writen in the book, when actually none of those who suposedly wrote the book at first weren't even in that war who hapenned around the dinosaurs era !

you mean to tell me that this is what you believe in ?
sorry, kinda hard to believe. according to the bible... it was writen around the time jesus died crusified for man kind !
anything before that time is considered legend cause there was nothing to proove that what was heard was real !

people just needed hell to happen and a way to make it happen so they created that ANGEL war so it can make sens !
in the bible, the one i always saw when i was young, it never had any passage about that war, hell it it was just about a few persons who hapenned to had met jesus !

so you tell me, that your life is to serve god while he laught at your puny little life ?
you tell me that we are existing so the god itself can look at us and laugh his ass off while you have all the hard work ?
even worst...
you tell me that we are the pets of god just we have dogs in our house !

sorry, i don't buy that #### !


it just prooves my point... so the whole god thing is centered around a simple planets when there are actually thousands of millions in outer space. don't you think that if god SUPPOSEDLY CREATED UNIVERSE we know (actually writen in the bible) then we would have stories about what happens on other planets as well ?

no we don't... because its HUMANS who wrote that damn book !
and if i remember right, humans tend to AMPLIFY things by many times !
they also commit mistakes, none is perfect, not even those who wrote the book(scrolls) or anything related to all that. knowing all that you believe in a book writen by humans for humans ?

how about the fact that at that time most of the people (as you said it) didn't know #### !
you believe that they would have writen such a book while many others from that era aren't even close to stories like the one in the bible !

sorry, if the bible is the only book to have stories like that, then it is clear that we have nothing more then a FANTASY TELLING BOOK.

it still don'T change the way you're saying it...
you mean that all countries have wrongfully started cause they didn't start like your !

noticed how we all are different using different culture, of course they didn't were similar. that's what makes us who we are !




just one more quetion to ask !

why is there many many many religions if the real one is the christians one ?

because we all have your own view of the events...
for all i know, humans cannot see things the same way others do. so why would th ebook be all real when you know the humans that have seen it haven't even seen the same things !



Edited By SSJKarma on June 17 2003 at 12:22

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]be real will you...
that's writen in the book, when actually none of those who suposedly wrote the book at first weren't even in that war who hapenned around the dinosaurs era ![/quote]
God dictated to the writers....

Excuse me? NO. The NEW TESTAMENT WAS, because it related directly to him. The Old Testament was written BEFORE, not all at one time, but books were written as time and events happened.. it states in the New Testament about Jesus reading the Old Testament books to people in Jerusalem..
So Noah's Ark is fake? People say it landed on Mt... damn, what was it again? Atrat.. er.. Arfat.. err.. forgot, but I think it's somewhere in Asia Minor (It's what people think) but nobody's been able to get up there and check.. that doesn't really prove anything, but what about that layer of water they found..
Oh and here's one. GO THROUGH THE BIBLE, and compare the dates/events mentioned WITH dates/events in various history books. Look how they relate!

It's funny how it says the Beast and all will be chained down in the earth.. and hell and everything.. and that you'll burn in eternal flames... you know what else is funny.. that you can't deny.. THE EARTH'S CORE is MOLTEN! MATERIAL


No, if you'd READ the things he asks you to do AREN'T DIFFICULT at all. HE DOESN'T ASK YOU TO DO THESE CRAZY TASKS FOR HIM.. just simple things, like.. don't go around raping people, lol. He gave us a soul to think for our own, think of being on Earth as a test.. to see if we can keep on acknowledging him as our Creator.. lots of mankind's failing it now:S



Yes GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, THE EARTH WAS AROUND AFTER HE MADE IT FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT THEN HE MADE HUMANS ON IT, IT!, THE EARTH, in his own image :S dubya tee eff is the point when there is NO OTHER HUMAN LIFE



I've read some Indian stuff that had similar stories..
THE MUSLIMS, until just recently, considered Jesus real.. Israel is God's chosen people.. why do you think that little as hell country is prospering economically even through a WAR?



No, I just simply brought up how this country started, and how it's changing.. for the worse :S

Yes, the Bible mentions the splitting of races :S
I never said anything wrong with having a different way of life, but I'm saying.. look at the living quality of other countries..

Oh yeah, China, their government is GREAT! Don't you just LOVE the way they kill their daughters!!
Oh yeah! Don't you just love the way Muslims treat their women!






It's 'cuz people went astray.. made up their own stuff.. or modified since they couldn't help not doing bad things.. or they found stuff they were appaled by (Gold, etc) and as generations went on.. they forgot :S



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 14:25

Blah Blah Blah...
You PeoPle still believe in BOOKS that are written by PeoPle!!


Haha, well just tell me then, why are there all thsoe DIFFERENT types of Religions with DIFFERENT beliefs? If that's what REALLY haPPened!?

Because NO BODY knows what really ahPPened, PeoPle just wanna have their OWN oPinions! And after many years, other PeoPle start to follow them!

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]Blah Blah Blah...
You PeoPle still believe in BOOKS that are written by PeoPle!!


Haha, well just tell me then, why are there all thsoe DIFFERENT types of Religions with DIFFERENT beliefs? If that's what REALLY haPPened!?

Because NO BODY knows what really ahPPened, PeoPle just wanna have their OWN oPinions! And after many years, other PeoPle start to follow them![/quote]
You BLIND? Read my earlier post..

Guess I'm not needed...
But I would like to say to karma about the "If a tree falls and NOBODY is around to hear it does it make a sound" You can easily answer that question by leaving a video camera maybe a few just incase one should get smashed and it will answer ur little question.

You also asked who created God. Silly question if you ask me because he was there he created everything including time and all that stuff. And i go to Big bang For the big bang to happen there has to be some kind of matter to blow up. Who made the matter...what did it just come poof out of nowhere.

And asshole you ask y are beliefs so different. ANd i go back to oral tradition and how ppl would usally forget something or add something and so on but when they did so they were not very far from the truth. ANd as people began to migrate they started to spread there stories...Jews, Christians Muslims and etc.

You also asked about the dinosaurs. And like I said before God made the animals first then came humans. And yes in 7 days but you have to remember that the calender back then was different from ours. Like if someone said 7 days it could of been 700 years or whatever.

Keep on with the questions/statements

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Guess I'm not needed...[/quote]
Pfft, what do you mean, I'm like the only guy arguing.. besides you :S

*sigh* Elena and Scorp, Ive got something to say like Karma said there is a huge ass gap in the time of adam and Eve and the invention of ink with paper scrolls and ink were used thousands of years after Adam and Eve. By that time thier were relgions,community,Langauage..etc and in that time the main person with the power was the Preist, now you should be asking ur self why does a preist have all the power.

Then there is the whole God made man to wacth over and protect the Earth and animals that live on the earth. lol Well we have done a great job of that. We just love cutting down trees drving tons of cars polluting the air and damaging the Ozone layer. Wow can you belive how long the Endangered Species and Extinct list is? Great Job Protector's of Earth the race of man well done! *god gives a thumb up*

Now back to the Bible do you not see that it has been wroting in the same time period and area? Like asshole said not every one Relgion was to that god, not until there were ppl traveling the world to spread the word of god.

And the plants why they had to be made for a reason and the sun it serves a great meaning, what did god put to much stars in the pot and accidentally created all these other planets?

The Bible has so many version and they are not exactly the same. You try this in class have some one whisper a phrase in someone's ear and then have them whissper it to the next person to them. And when it gets to the last student tell them to say the phrase out loud and see if it was the same from that start. And many times we did it 99.9% it came out diffrent( at the end it was kiss my ass and the Teacher was pissed :biggrin:)

Evloution Vs. Bible
Know whicth of these have more proof a old book wrote by many ppl or sicence with fossil evdenice and all that crap. They say that Humans and Chimps are 99.3% alike looking at that percentage thats a hell of alike. Could we have came from the same ancestor. Chimps have the intelgence unlike other animals to make tools, they actually invent things, and sometimes use as weapons. Evoultion has taken with other animals as well as humans. The Giraffes had short necks but in order to reach fresher food in high places they needed long necks. look at Dogs and Wolfs Cats and bob cats or Tiger(Lion). Then u have your prey for them to live longer they had to come up with Speed, Camouflage, spikes(thorns)...etc

Now I want you 2 to choose at least one
1. There is a God and there is Evolution that he made
2.There is a God but there is no Evolution
3. There is no God but there is Evolution
4. There is no God and there is no Evloution

Lol are you blaming God for not helping in pollution. HA HA ur funny. God gave us free will, pain, and all that other stuff after adam and eve ate from the forbbiden tree. It's Eve's fault.

Lol the planets could of formed on there own after all there is now matter for them to formed from. And planets do not come from stars.

And i believe in evolution and God.

Yes, the stories did change alot but they got to the point. MAybe names were changed maybe the city names were different but they got to the point.

And Master do you believe in God.

Faye, READ my previous posts, and you'll see that I've answered almost EVERYTHING you've said. If you want a response on of your points, find some I haven't answered and weed them out of that post.



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 21:30

scorponok: i think you're the one who doesn't even understand our POINTS !


<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>YOU HEAR</span> a phrase, <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>YOUR BRAIN</span> tell you that you <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>heard:"KISS MY ASS"</span> so you repeat that to the one in front of you. and so on...

at the end, do you really think people heard the very very very same thing all the way thru the end of the 20 people in the class ? do you really think that those words you heard were actually thru ?

the end goes like this... KILL THE MASS !
while at the very beginning...
it was CHRIST, MY BUTT !

see what we mean ?
now, wer're talking about a game that is like 99.9% chances of not getting the very same phrase !
you want fact, then i'll give you fact !

FACT: THE HUMAN BRAIN DOESN'T HEAR, VIEW, INTERPRETE THINGS THE SAME WAY AS THE OTHERS PEOPLE !

meaning, what you hear,view, interprete will never be the same as the other humans. so if you interprete the bible as your ultimate truth, tell yourself that the other peolple looking thru that very very same bible, will not see,read the same thing as you, cause their interpretation is totally different from yours !

so, it means that even if god told them to write those things, it doesn't mean they wrote exactly the thing he said to write !

but regardless of what we'll be saying, i think you just think you are right and you just won't admit that what you believed in for so many years cannot be true !

FACT: PEOPLE FEAR THE TRUTH !
cause it sometimes goes against what they believed for years ! so they tend to do things to make their BELIEVES come true !

basically, if someone decided somewhere in the time line of the earth, to make a belief that says there is a god... then that belief transcending thru times has became a religions ! cause ...

FACT: all religion, started from a <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>BELIEF</span> !

* DEFINITION OF A BELIEF *
something you <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>THINK</span> is the truth !

now, i say how many times do you have made mistake BELIEVING in something and then when the truth came, you noticed how it wasn't even what you believed in the first time ?

i don't know for you, but it hapenned like over 10 times to me !


i'll ask you a simple question scorponok...
if you believed in GOD all your life... then you die and nothing happens... or you discover that there is no HEAVEN, only hell...

will you just look stupid to have believed in something that never was true, and that for your whole life (around 85-100 years) ?

that's why i prefer not to believe in religions, i just live my life and wait for the truth at the very end of my existance !

and scoponok... all of what the bibles said... how can you know if its the truth ? no one is here to prove anything about that, and at least the theory of evolution goes way farther in the history of man kind then you little religions !

you didn't answer me right scorponok...

you said...
- there was that war with between angels...
- then he created earth
- then he created humans
etc...

how can any HUMANS know what happenned before earths creation ?
don't tell me GOD told them, cause its pure supposition ! (no proof of anything)

as for every other things you said about time being created by GOD, i say:"if you actually believe what you just said, then you are even more stupid then i thought !"

WE CREATED TIME... the word minutes, the word HOURS, the word SECONDS, its not god who made that, its us !
MATHEMATICS, haven't been created by GOD, its been created by us as a meaning to explain a few things and to be actually able to build things with precision.

WRITING hasn't been existing for our whole life, we created it !

example:
in the time, so few people knew how to write or read !
so its only common sense to say that people even before that time never knew what writing or reading was.

noah's ark, a reality ?
has someone ever find it ?
has someone ever prooved it was real ?
how can you believe in it while there are no prooves or anything about it, its just been story telling from the start !

do you believe in the legend of the king ARTHUR and EXCALIBUR ?

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Lol are you blaming God for not helping in pollution. HA HA ur funny. God gave us free will, pain, and all that other stuff after adam and eve ate from the forbbiden tree.[/quote]
God didn't give me free will!
My MoM and Dad did..!

You see, here's the story about me..
After having my Brother and Sister, my MoM and DaD had sex again, and then I came from her Vagina (no i'm not being sick..) Then all the thingsI learned, and did are all done by ME.. NOT God!


And sorry fellas, I don't fel like reading everything over AGAIN, i'm gonna stick to my oPinion, if you can Prove to me that there is a god, then I will change my mind about EVERYTHING!

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Lol are you blaming God for not helping in pollution. HA HA ur funny. God gave us free will, pain, and all that other stuff after adam and eve ate from the forbbiden tree. It's Eve's fault.

Lol the planets could of formed on there own after all there is now matter for them to formed from. And planets do not come from stars.

And i believe in evolution and God.

Yes, the stories did change alot but they got to the point. MAybe names were changed maybe the city names were different but they got to the point.

And Master do you believe in God.[/quote]
You are the first Female ever to say it was Eves, I had this debate in my freshman year in freshman semniar. And almost all the girls jumped down me and another guys throat for saying the blame was Eve, even the teacher was with the girls saying the same crap.

And you are not getting my point of Pollition. I never said God of helping matter of fact why should he help? Man MADE pollution. He made Adam to protect and rule the Earth and creatures that lived on it. So far we have been doing a very bad job of this, we hunt animals for no ###ing reason at all,(what hunters call game) Main problem on this earth is the ozone layer&Bush :biggrin: you might not give a flying monkeys balls about it but you will see the importants of it.

Look at our sloar system do you think the big bang, All the gas, matter, star's dust...etc was formed and made JUST for earth? All nine planets circle and orbit around the SUN. earth is nothing speacial at all the plantes were made at the same TIME all the squeeze of gas and "Gravity" formed it in a sphere. Did Earth have life right away? Think and ask all of this made extreme heat and the earth was more of a Molten ball of lava so were the other planets. It had to take time for it to cool off and harding the crust(which is the surface we live on). Earth is still hot it still has not cooled off now coming sence will tell u that it is impossible for earth to cool of in a week. The moon came from apart of earth nothing special about it.

Planets dont come from star huh? So if I told you u are nothing more then start dust would you belive me? Believe it or not you are. Star dust yep thought god made you in a pot with sugar,spice and every thing nice huh. Nope not at all, they say that men have 1 less rib then women, not sure of this to be true but i doubt it is.

Do I believe in god? Well if you asked me that question a year ago I would say yes. But after a year with Mr Pope you begin to see and think of things diffrent. So I some what do in a way.

lol Karma pretty much laid it down in the example I wast tying to give u.

Now another question for you 2 What is life? And no bull about hearts and other crap.

Who the hell are Adam and EVE?
And ScorPo, what's Genesis?



Alls I STILL know is that, I will believe in what I SEE or KNOW it's there and it affects me!
Other-wise, I can jerk-off ALL I want and still NOT call in a Sin!
( Yes, I am sorta drunk right now.. HOO HOO HOO!! )

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]Who the hell are Adam and EVE?
And ScorPo, what's Genesis?



Alls I STILL know is that, I will believe in what I SEE or KNOW it's there and it affects me!
Other-wise, I can jerk-off ALL I want and still NOT call in a Sin!
( Yes, I am sorta drunk right now.. HOO HOO HOO!! )[/quote]
Genesis is the first book of the Bible..
Maybe you should read it before you go off giving opinions about it..

I'll get back to you later Master, I'm kinda tired of all this right now.. lol



Edited By Scorponok on June 17 2003 at 23:55

I didn't give any oPions about any book..
I gave out my oPinions, and how i'll only believe in what I want and KNOW!

I'm not gonna go read ANOTHER BIBLE and let it tell me what to do..


Ok, one of my retarted friends have a "Satanic Bible", It has VERY good Points.. Would you want me to go getthat from him and Post them here?
It's TOTALLY against the real Bible, it tells you all the oPPosite ways to live and shlt!
But I don't believein THAt either.. because it's just a stuPid book, written by stuPid PeoPle!

[quote:post_uid0="Scorponok"]Karma, I see what you're getting at, but the only thing it proves to me is that you don't have anything in response to my points I've stated.
You're question? But there is a Heaven, so your question is null and void :biggrin:

And asshole, read Genesis and see for yourself about free will :S[/quote]
like i thought, you don't even care and you don't want to argue with us, all you want is to prove that you are right about it, and this, reguardless of what we think !

cause if you answered what you answered... then you clearly didn't understood what i wrote !

i'll put you my question the other way around...
tell me how you know HEAVEN exists !

give proof of it, cause simple THOUGHT and BOOKS doesn't !

and you still didn't answer my question...
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE KING ARTHUR AND EXCALIBUR EXISTED ? (believe me, this is relevant)

other questions i ask you...
DO YOU THINK GOD IS PERFECT AND NEVER MAKES MISTAKES ? (many think yes, that's what i ask)

but anyway... i'm out of this debate, cause you don'T seem open enought to actually understand us correctly, you seems to be focused on god and that's it.

like i said, PEOPLE FEAR THE TRUTH !
what if what your TRUTH happens to be wrong ?
that's the question many, like yourself don't want to ask themselves.

that is the only reason why i rather believe in things that i can proove and let time prooves me the rest !
you got no proofs of god existence, no REAL proof, the bible is just an old book writen by more then 300 peoples with 300 different ways of understanding the thing.

i was never saying that all was wrong in that book... but most (over half of it) is mainly false and non-sense added over the years because those writers didn't loved what they wrote down !

if jesus would have been BLACK (maybe he was)
do you really think, that at that time... (black slavery)
they would have writen the bible as him being black ?

if yes, then you gotta a big problem, and you're just like that women in my family that think god is gonna give her everything because she gives him all her money and the rest !
those kind of fanatics like that, don't have their place in a community. they think everything is granted to them and they try to make you believe them cause they want to hear the truth, so they make their own truth and make sure they are right !

again...
how do you know, your truth is the right thing to believe ?
i tell you, no believe is the right one, we all know its gonna change someday... and if you die and you realize you see another god then yours... how will you react ? how will god react ?

for my part, he never helped me out, did he ever gave a reason to me for taking lives ?
when he take out my little cousin which died from cancer at the age of 6 !
did he ever listenned to my prayers, did he ever gave me a reason to believe in him when i most needed it ?

my whole 15 years of life when i believe in him... he never hapenned to give me any reason of his existence.

did he ever gave you some ?
then, why would you care for a creature that doesn't even care if you believe in him or not ?

now, i'm 22... i just don't care if he exists or not, only time will give me that answer !
now i think this debate reached his limit, if you're not even gonna give us credits for our arguments... then you clearly wasn'T debating at all !

asshoie: i ask of you to close this thread, or if you like that kind of non-sense, then just go on with it... but i'm out of here ! maybe i'll continue to read... but don't expect me to post anymore !

been reading some of the stuff....and i and a christian...and i dont wanna die...and there nothings u knowu ever though about that....just like u dont even know your there....i dont wanna go into it makes me sad........

well its sad that you will wait until its too late to save your soul, but its not any of our responsibilities (Scorpinok,Elena, or myself) to change your mind.
As you said this is a debate and thats all we are doing, so dont get upset and leave the thread if we dont agree with your point Karma.

Anyways about the king (Artur and Excalibur) thing.... ummm maybe ther was a King Arthur but im pretty sure Excalibur wasnt a magical sword and Merlin was probably an old magician like David Copperfield not a sorcerer with great powers *oops trailing off*

what do you mean by that? the bible wasnt writen in the days of slavery. Anyways the bible never officially said he was black, just that his skin was a bronzed color and that his hair was like wool in texture....take that however you want.

that "women" is crazy when you give to the church offerings you only have to pay ten percent of what you have earned
example: your pay check is for 100 dollars, then you give ten bucks is that so hard? will you really go insane without ten dollars? some people spend way more than that at an arcade every week.. but it doesnt matter how much you give because "God loveith a cheerfull giver" so if she has more than ten percent to give then she should go for it :buttrock:

well what about the planets? do you belive in them?
if you answer yes then why do you belive in them?
because people have been into outter space?
how can you be sure that NASA isnt making this whole space exploration thing up?
im pretty sure you have never ben into outerspace have you Karma :laughlong:

[quote:post_uid0="iTALY"]...So blood do u believe in aliens, flying cows, or people with superpowers?[/quote]
aliens? yes! it depends if its UNIDENTIFIED or IDENTIFIED

flying cows? yes! put them to a catapult or just like lyka (the first animal in space)

people with superpowers? yes! spontaneous human combustion, telepathy, clairvoyance, mind reading...

A$$HOLE: when another religion knocks at your door, chatting about their religion, it doesnt necessarily mean they WANNA MAKE YOU FORGET YOUR RELIGION And BELIEVE IN THEM INSTEAD

theyre simply INTRODUCING their kinda faith and ITS UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA BELIEVE OR NOT

[quote:post_uid0="blossom"]well what about the planets? do you belive in them?
if you answer yes then why do you belive in them?
because people have been into outter space?
how can you be sure that NASA isnt making this whole space exploration thing up?
im pretty sure you have never ben into outerspace have you Karma :laughlong:[/quote]
How can you say NASA is making the space and planets up?

The first planet to be discovered was Uranus by William and Caroline Herschel on 13 March 1781. It was discovered by the fact that it showed a disk when viewed through even a fairly low powered telescope. The only other planets which have been discovered are Neptune and Pluto. These were predicted using ingenious mathematical arguments based on Newton's laws of gravitation and then observed near their predicted locations.
In fact Neptune could have been discovered without the mathematical arguments. It very nearly was discovered by Galileo, the first person who could possibly have discovered a new planet. Galileo turned his telescope on the planets and was immediately fascinated by the system of Jupiter and its moons which he observed. While he was observing the Jupiter system on 28 December 1612 he recorded Neptune as an 8th magnitude star. Just over a month later on 27 January 1613, he recorded two stars in his field of view.

One was Neptune and the other a genuine star. Remarkably, Galileo observed the pair again the following night when he noted that the two stars appeared to be further apart. How close he was at that point to discovering that one of the stars was the planet Neptune.

NASA only did further research of the planets and discoverd more of them. The only thing to be fake was teh man landing on the moon when it happen, no one believed it.

[quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]How can you say NASA is making the space and planets up?

The first planet to be discovered was Uranus by William and Caroline Herschel on 13 March 1781. It was discovered by the fact that it showed a disk when viewed through even a fairly low powered telescope. The only other planets which have been discovered are Neptune and Pluto. These were predicted using ingenious mathematical arguments based on Newton's laws of gravitation and then observed near their predicted locations.
In fact Neptune could have been discovered without the mathematical arguments. It very nearly was discovered by Galileo, the first person who could possibly have discovered a new planet. Galileo turned his telescope on the planets and was immediately fascinated by the system of Jupiter and its moons which he observed. While he was observing the Jupiter system on 28 December 1612 he recorded Neptune as an 8th magnitude star. Just over a month later on 27 January 1613, he recorded two stars in his field of view.

One was Neptune and the other a genuine star. Remarkably, Galileo observed the pair again the following night when he noted that the two stars appeared to be further apart. How close he was at that point to discovering that one of the stars was the planet Neptune.

NASA only did further research of the planets and discoverd more of them. The only thing to be fake was teh man landing on the moon when it happen, no one believed it.[/quote]
whoa whoa whoa Max i never said that the planets dont exist, i was just saying that by Karmas "philosophy" if he hasnt seen it himself then how can he believe it?
The same goes for atoms and cells, if you have never seen one do you believe they exist just because a scientist said so?hu Karma? :laughlong:

Actually Master Adam no longer protected the earth and everything on it after he ate from the tree.

And Karma you asked about Noah's Ark and if it was really there. Well archeologist think they might have found where it was. And I know what ur going to say next. You are going to say Well how did wood last for so long isnt It going to rot. The answer is yes. But it left a skeleton of the ark.

You also asked about excalaber. Umm, well I'm not suppose to believe in witchcraft and all that stuff. But have you forgotten that there was no camolot. And the author (Julius Verne) of the knights in the round table said it was all made up. And a fantasy.

Then Karma you asked is God perfect. The answer is NO. God even said it himself after he flooded the earth. He said he made a mistake.

And karma you said you don't care if they exist or not. Then y the hell you debating. But then again in the beginning of this topic you said it was better to believe in it just incase it it true.

Karma you also told Scorp what if God turns out to be fake and not real. And I ask you: What if he is real?

And asshole how do you know that God or Whoever ur mother believes in didnt help in the process. He could of made ur mother had a miscarriage. But didn't ever hear the saying God works in mysterious ways.

And karma you said it was in the time of Black Slavery. Actually no it wasn't. The Pharoh enslaved his own ppl the jews. They were not black just a little tanned (bronze).

And hey Jesus could be black he can be whatever race you want him to be. He may appear azn to azns, blacks to blacks. The way Jesus looks now with the sholder lenght hair and the little beard. Came from Italians.

Anyways, I think it is better to believe in God then not believe in God. I mean you dont have to be crazy about and go to church every single day. You don't even have to donate. The pastor always says give what you are able to give. So if i should die and God is not real well atleast i know it wasnt a total waste after all the bible teaches you to help others and not to be mean to others. But if he is real...

elena: don't force me to repeat myself !

i said that BELIEF is what makes the human go forward in life, without em... no one would have gone this far !

also, i said it was better to believe in something then not believeing at all.
i never said what belief was better !

for my part, religion is nothing more then a fantasy made by someone. a practical joke just like the aliens symbols thing !

why do i care ?
i don't !
you said it yourself, its a debate... nothing more, and as far as i know, debating your OPINION is the whole deal of a debate. that's why i joined !

BLOSSOM: no i don't trust scientist either, cause many of them are missguided by their own will to find something they long searched for. which makes em do mistakes and they think they have found something, when in fact they created the idea and made sure it became real !

it all comes back to reality...
HUMANS FEAR THE TRUTH !

one question...
HOW CAN YOU BE SURE YOU ARE REALLY EXISTING ?
talking about religions and believeing is honorable, but denying everything else is plain old stupid !
i am not denying anything, i keep a certain PROABILITY of it to be real, but unless you prooves me that god exists by showing him to me and prooves he really is... then i will not believe he exists !

as for the planets, no i don't really think they are real, except that when i look into the sky, i happens to see a lot of stars ! see, i've seen it myself !

unless you think we live in a BOX decorated like a small planet and the sky we look at, at night... is actually the ceiling ! (seems like the TRUMAN SHOW)

anyway... you understand my point !

like i said, i am still reading, but i will not continu to debate on a useless subject such as religion !

Ah ha ha Karma you said you are a christian but then you said you won't believe anything unless you see it with ur own eyes. By that time it will be too late. And I see you as not believing in anything cuz you will not see God unless you die. And Ur questions are going to far its ok to have a little curiousity but you are going to far. I think this topic made you a non-believer. Hehe You remind me of Peter (I think that is his name) the guy who needed to see Jesus after he resurected.

its thomas

dubya tee eff?
karma, is that you?
never seen you made a 2-word post ???

yeh thats not a nice way to speak to ya mom...

the stroy was alittle funny

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there is nothing wrong with religeon i am a christian and when someone ask me to change my religeon i say no way i belive in god and just because you dont you are not going to hell there maybe no god or hell in your religeon but in mine there is and it is not funny so some people need to stop talking bad about other religeon. :shocked:

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Then Karma you asked is God perfect. The answer is NO.[/quote]
Actually it's yes, lol