O.K. the if street fighter meeted the Z fighters in Dragon Ball they would win,and maybe the beginning of the dragon ball z seris against someone like yamacha or or the weaker Z fighters maybe then too. ???

Look Street fighter could beat everyone in the Dragonball series.(remeber that Street fighte is one series I think) ???

My Bad. It's the manga. SF will win but db will put up a great fight.

Sf characters doesn't have that much dissapearing abilities .........

Dbz characters can dissapear ........they have more attacks than sf characters ...........



Sf wont stand a chance ..thats just impossible ..and there is no Doubt.

You know my man Ryu could beat most the fighters in the Dragon ball series. :D

keep dreaming .

Hmm good point i'll think about that.
HOLD ON AKUMA CAN DISAPPEAR SO CAN M.BISON<AND DALSHAISM!! ;)

you know Ryu's move and Goku's signuture move are the same with differnt names.??? :0

[quote:post_uid4]Dbz characters can dissapear ........[/quote:post_uid4]
Oh my god.... they disappear to your eyes, they don't literally disappear. I think I mispelled Disappear though....


[quote:post_uid4]they have more attacks than sf characters ...........[/quote:post_uid4]
Wow, they do? I dunno... I mean, following PrinceVegetam's post (thank god he posted...) and Tarkan's post (same as the other parenthesis) some moves have requirements to do them, some of which, they may not have time to get, or they might have them.
SF Characters also have plenty more attacks, but I haven't seen much manga, so I can't realy tell you much about them in there. ;)

[quote:post_uid4]you know Ryu's move and Goku's signuture move are the same with differnt names.??? [/quote:post_uid4]
Did you know you said the most obvious thing?

I have not read all nine pages, but this is what I think:

*That is from page 1

Actually, Furiza planned to blow up Planet Namek, because he can breathe in space. As far as Ground Hypers/specials/supers go, DBZ characters can take out any SF character. Teleportation? Nothing is better than Goku's Shunkan Idou and Janemba's "Cube Fade" teleportation. And about your saying that street fighter characters "can shoot huge fireballs, and others use their speed to finish off their opponents," goes, have you ever heard of Goku's Kamehameha wave? Vegeta's Final Flash? Piccolo's Makankosappo?

Tarkan, if Radditsu can go speed of light, then Cell most definately can. Remember when Radditsu dodged Piccolo's Makankosappo? Piccolo said, "That's impossible. He can move faster than light." Sure, Kuririn can't blow up earth, but I'll bet that Tenshinhan during the Cell Saga could come damn close if he wanted to.

To conclude, I'd like to say that Furiza Form 1, with a power level of 530,000, could easily destroy a planet. At the end of DBZ, most of the major characters had a power level of around 300-500 million. I sincerely doubt that a Street Fighter character could come anywhere close to destorying a planet. Also, with the speed and skills of the DBZ characters, they would reign supreme over SF.

However, if it is as the Title of the Topic says, and we're comparing Street Fighter to regular old Dragonball (when Goku was a kid), then Street Fighter would kick DB ass

Ok I repeat. Sf would win, because they are smart enough to not destroy planets. :p @ Nantuko Joe

btw: SF doesn't have power levels. So it would be impossible to say if they were stronger. And Sf characters can move around those blasts. Anyone can do that.

Dragonball would definetly win the only person from sf that might actually manage a minitue is ryu

OH yes yes I remember


Majin Buu can beat Sf without even tryinig his best.....

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Ok I repeat. Sf would win, because they are smart enough to not destroy planets. :p @ Nantuko Joe

btw: SF doesn't have power levels. So it would be impossible to say if they were stronger. And Sf characters can move around those blasts. Anyone can do that.[/quote]
roll: that's stupid. dbz characters are not dumb. martial artists need to be smart to fight. fighting requires brains too. they only make goku sometimes look dumb for humour purposes.
if you're not mature enough to handle this debate then leave.

nankuto: if raditz could move at the speed of light and goku said that his instant transmission thing also moves that the speed of light, then wouldn't that be contradicting it self. then why would goku use instant transmission at all many times during his fight with cell.

tarkan: if piccolo can only regenerate if his head is intact, then how would you explain cell's regenerations(from one cell, and surviving goku's kamehameha in the face) considering that cell got his DNA from piccolo. yes, kaioken decreases power, but it's the power for that instant that counts. plus, that spirit bomb doesn't necessarily need powers from living things. it can just draw power from a black hole or supernova(no one can survive getting sent into a supernova or black hole). ryu's dark hadou has never been confirmed that it is unlimited. there is also no confirmation about how limited it is therefore, it is not valid proof. if you always say sf characters own dbz, name a few.

i now persent another fact for you to analyze. many times, the dbz characters have been able to send others through mountains and deep into the earth. and many times, those characters being crushed have survived. which sf character can do the same thing or take the same punishment.

Akuma could give and take that damage. Ryu and Ken could definatly give that damage. They could also beat most of the DB too like Kurillin,Yamcha,Tien,maybe Piccolo,Goten,Trunks(little kid) and everone from both series could beat Hurcule a.k.a. Mr. Satain he's so weak it's pathetic. LOL* But no one I mean no one from either series can beat Gohan he's the strongest natural Saiyan that's without fuseing. but it would probobly be a draw between the two after all the thinking and stuff it all boils down to they are equal. So there. :D :) :p

plz, don't be ridiculous. you should know your dbz before posting. gohan is CERTAINLY NOT the strongest saiyan. he just has his hidden powers, which were unleashed by that mystic thing. even that was not enough to stop buu. in the end, it was goku's spirit bomb that destroyed buu. and would you like to prove how ryu, ken and akumma can give that damange and how akuma can take that damage. i can prove that dbz characters can take and give that damage cause it happens in the manga and anime.

You forgot the fat guy with a sword yaj something.
Wait were talking about the dragon ball series?? :0

*looks at agenda*

oy man these people will never give up....


Tell me how its obvious? You cant say how it's obvious, you need reasoning.

Not all SF characters can beat DB characters.



DB characters don't disappear, they just move faster than the human eye can see(only the top DB characters). And your right about DB having more moves, but SF has more signature moves(hadouken, shoryuken, etc...)

Some SF characters move just as fast as DB characters(oro, akuma)



Again you exaggerate the DB characters and de-exaggerate SF characters. Some SF characters would own the DB characters(for like the 5th time I said it).


....That's not true, The DB characters would own ryu, but ryu "might" stand a chance against Yamucha. But if Ryu were to turn into evil ryu, ryu would own many DB characters.


Akuma and Bison don't disappear, they teleport, disappearing is when you cloak yourself, and no one can see you, you dont travel when you disappear. The only SF character that can dissapear is twelve.



No they are both different moves. shinkuu hadouken is ryu's, and the kamehameha is goku's. shinkuu hadouken is like an orb the size of ryu's hip, to ryu's neck, and the width of ryu's shoulder to ryus other shoulder. The kamehameha is much bigger.


True


Nope.....

Janemba isnt in the manga so he doesn't count.



its kamehameha, not kamehameha wave, that proves you watch the dubbie show. vegetas final flash wouldve destroyed the earth, but he was aiming at sell. I doubt piccolos makankosappo would destroy the earth. It just pierces through the opponent. And Gokus kamehameha could destroy the earth at the time when he was in the Freiza saga.





Raditz can't go at the speed of light. Piccolo never mentions Raditz going at the speed of light, he just says he moves way faster than us( us meaning piccolo and goku).

When Raditz dodged the makankosappo, piccolo didn't say that was impossible, he said "damn" because he charged up so much energy, and wasted most of it. Piccolo doesn't say raditz can move faster than light. No one except SSJ Gotenks and above is recognized to be faster than the speed of light.


No Tenshinhan can't blow up the earth, even with the shink kikohou, when at his max, he can't blow up the earth, just mountains.



[quote[To conclude, I'd like to say that Furiza Form 1, with a power level of 530,000 could easily destroy a planet.[/quote]

True, but thats freizas max, freiza can't ever go max or he'll kill himself due to the stress.



actually most of the major characters have a PL over one billion.



A SF character doesn't have to destroy a planet to beat a DB character. Ryu fought Hugo, and Hugo's strength is way higher than ryu's, but ryu still beat him. hugo even survived a shin shoryuken, and shrugged it off after he was hit with it.


Some of the most powerful SF characters move just as fast as the DB characters, and the probably have just the same, if not, more skill than the DB characters.




When I say DB, I mean DB in general, Do I have to say DBZ? I listen to the manga, the manga says Dragon Ball, in the Buu saga, the cover says Dragon Ball, not Dragon Ball Z.






SF characters do have PL's, just not in terms of DB wise.


Some SF characters can't move around blasts by DB characters, Look at when Gohan and Krillin fought Goldo, Gohans bad accuracy kept making Goldo flying, and Goldo was on the run, but Goldo isn't that fast.




Don't act like an idiot... Like I said before some SF characters would own the DB"Z" characters. Ryu is no where near the strongest SF character.




Goku's intaneous movement teleports him, he doesn't have to move, he just "teleports"


Cell doesn't have a soul, Piccolo does, and Piccolo is being, but so is Cell, Cell is both android, and bio at the same time, you have to completely destroy him like Buu.




yes the kaio-kens power used that instant counts, and Kaio-sama(king Kai) stated that the spirit bomb needs powers from living things, like water, animals, people, etc...


I didn't say it was unlimited, I just said Evil Ryu can beat many DB"Z" characters. And I said some SF characters, and I'll gladly name some, and how they would own them.



Akuma: Akuma can destroy mountains, using the kongou kokuretsuzan technique. The Kongou koku retsuzan only takes a few seconds to be charged, and used. the power is gathered from the heavens. So if Akuma uses the kongou kokuretsuzan against Gokus stomach, Goku = R.I.P. any form of Goku can goku would die. But saying this is a ground battle since Akuma can't fly, but he can jump very high.

The Shun Goku Satsu(raging demon) destroys the soul. If you get in a shun goku satsu, opponent= R.I.P. The Shun Goku satsu is too fast, and saying this is a ground battle, it's going to catch goku if its a hand to hand combat fight.

The Tenshou Kareki Jin can destroy a huge ship in one attack. It's not as strong as kongou kokuretsuzan, but more than enough to kill Goku.


Akuma can stay under water for days, he can stay as deep as 3,000 feet below sea level. I don't see any DB"Z" character staying in that long. Goku can only stay underwater for about 5 minutes tops. Akuma can sink an Island with one blow.


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Gill: Gill has so much power, he has the powers of fire and ice. he can control fire and ice anywhere, so Gill can freeze your ass or burn it from thousands of miles away from where you're at. Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, Gill can change the temperature by making it really cold, or really hot, and Goku is like any above average human when it comes to temperature.

Gill's Seraphic Wing destroys anything in site. You'll disinigrate(sp?) is you are in range of it. Gill grows angel wings(angels represent god-like powers), Gill can fly with angel wings, and much better than the DB characters fly.


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Oro: Oro 's variable kishin Riki lifts people up to the skies(clouds) from ground level, and drops them like a nuke.

Oro's tengou stone lifts up any debree in the world, and he can control it. Oro can lift huge things with his psychic powers, he can even lift up people!

Oro's variable Yagyou Dama is so Huge that it's almost as Huge as the Genki-dama thrown at Freiza. The varable Yagyou Dama sucks you in, so theres no escape from it.

Oro has lived to be 150 years old which is a really high feet. Krillin at the end of DB"Z" is in his late 40's-early 50's and already has grey hair growing, that shows he getting old. Oro can fly like and DB"Z" character can.


Oro can move so fast, that super strong humans like Yamucha, or Krillin, when they move is only slow motion in Oro's eyes.


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Shin Bison: Shin Bison has huge psychic powers, he can fly as good as any DB"Z" character can, and maybe even better, Bison has powered up ki like the DB"Z" characters.

Bison can teleport anywhere in the world, and his psycho crusher is so devastating that it kills above average humans.

Bison has all the the negative energy from people in the world, and put into him. Now the farmer which is a regular human, his PL is 5, now every human has negative energy in himself, now lets say 2 of is levels are negative, and theres 6 billion people in the world. 6 billion times 2 = 12 billion, so add 12 billion to bisons standard PL, and you got a super strong character.

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Twelve: Twelve is like Buu basically. twelve can turn his hands and feet into weapons like an axe, knives, needles, etc... Twelve can disappear, so you can't see him, and since twelve was created, he doesn't have ki, so you can't sense where twelve is.

Twelve can fly, but not as good as the DB"Z" characters can, Twelve doesn't take damage if you punch or kick him, only ki power can damage him. Twelve can split himself, strech himself from every part of his body(so if your 1,000 miles away, he'll grab you). Twelve can turn into his opponents and use the opponents attacks(but if he turns into goku, he cant use the genki-dama).

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Evil Ryu: Evil Ryu can destroy osuld using the shun goku satsu, and teleport, but thats the super natural powers he has.



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No, there was never a time where a DB character was sent through a mountain, or deep into the earth, the just fought in mountain sides, but this is all the manga.

So street fighter would crush dragon ball the series then ''I told you guys" :D

Yes Street Fighter is one series sorry about that.
But Piccolo can increase his size. I know this because I saw the last episodes of Dragon Ball on Black Market. :p

Akuma yes, but Ryu and Ken, unless Ryu went into evil ryu, Ryu and Ken would have it hard. Ryu and Ken cant beat trunks, goten, piccolo or Tien. They "might" have a chance against Krillin or Yamucha. And Yeah every SF chartacter can beat Mr. Satan, any SF character can beat his daughter too.



Actually some SF characters can beat Gohan.


When the Buu saga ends, Gohan is the strongest Saiya-jin not counting fusion. All of Gohans power was unleashed by the rou dai kaioshin, so he cant get any stronger anymore, but DB"Z" ends 10 years after the Buu saga, and Goku trained that time, so Goku might have passed Gohan.

SSJ3 Goku whether dead or alive said he didn't stand a chance against any super buu, so any super buu would beat goku in the ground, but he could beat kid buu. Mystic Gohan(gohan with all his potential). It was enough to stomp down Super Buu with goten, trunks, and piccolo, but faltered against Super Buu with piccolo and gotenks.

So SSJ2 Vegeta in the buu saga would get whipped by any form of Buu, even the weakest which is good buu.

Gokus genki-dama only destroyed kid buu which is not the strongest buu, and kid buu held off the genki-dama but kaio-bito(kibito and east kaioshin together) wished that goku would get more energy, so goku got more energy and killed kid buu. Here is the order from strongest Buu to weakest:


Super Buu(with piccolo, goten, trunks, and gohan
Super Buu(with Gotenks, and piccolo)
Super Buu(with goten, trunks, and piccolo)
Buff Buu(never seen in the manga)
Super Buu
Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Evil Buu
Good Buu



We were talking about Dragon Ball in general, so DB, and DB"Z"

I wouldn't say crush, it'd be a good fight, but SF would win.


Piccolo can increase his size, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. Since Piccolo didn't get much of a power up after increaing his size. This is in the manga.

Darn i tried to show smarts.
OH what about The turtle hermets 100% kamehamha wave,
OOOHH Goku's UZURA FORM too.
Dude I rock. :0 :D

Yes Kamesennins full powered kamehameha(not kamehameha wave stop calling it that) destroyed the moon, but the moon is little in comparison with the earth.

And Oozaru form powers you up 10x from what you originally were at. But still the SF characters would dominate.

Well you know your stuff(trump card)
Vegeta was around then too.
just in space. Also vegeta was way stronger than goku then
his UZUARU would of dominated so there.
I've made a break through!!! :p

So in the end DB would win..... ;)

P.S Your going to say why would vegeta help Goku we'll back then they were on the same team once goku was defeated the ship would send his report to all the remaining saiyians.
Oh and Planet vegeta didn't blow up as soon as goku left but while he was away. (BIGGEST TRUMP CARD) Freaiza would of came to earth if vegeta was killed because they were on the same team. (Understand) :p , Oh how many moons are there?

true...

You don't have to feel glad of yourself after you debate in each post.


no....


Okay I don't understand what your saying here.


Planet Vegeta did blow up as soon as Goku left.




I still don't understand what your saying, but no Freiza wouldn't of known about earth, he knew about earth in his fight against goku when goku kept talking about earth to freiza.

There is only one moon on earth.

Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios. Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)

Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

princevegeta, you're wrong, sorry. Gohan's hidden powers were unleashed by Android #16's death at the hands of Cell. It was that hidden power being unleashed that allowed Gohan to go Super Saiya-jin Level 2. The Mystic form was a power-up provided by the Rou Dai Kaioshin (the little old guy on East Kaioshin's planet). That form allowed Gohan to surpass his own limitations, but because he did that he was unable to go SSJ from that point on.

yes, I also watch the crappy American version so i can look for the many, many discrepancies between the American and Japanese version. The "wave" part kind of got stuck in my head. And look at it this way: at least I didn't call the Shukan Idou "Instant Transmission".

There's no way anyone went over 1 billion. Considering the rate that DBZ characters grow, I'd have to say that the singlemost strongest DBZ character that ever existed was when Goku and Vegeta fused to form Vegetto, and I believe that Vegetto had a PL of around 600 million.

Fine. I'll instead say Kibit's Kai Kai (Instantaneous Movement)

Yes, he does! He says, "He...he dodged it. He can move faster than the speed of light." or something along those lines.

I've got a list rightin front of me that has around 50 of DBZ's signature moves, and I can think of more. Besides, are you saying that just because SF has "signature" moves, that their moves are better than DBZ moves?

Yes, but when he does, he doesn't get any stronger. His power level stays the same.

See my post regarding princevegetam's comment

SBYRD5, do you know ANYTHING about DBZ? Planet Vegeta was destroyed about five minutes after Goku was sent to Earth.

Tarkan, let's pretend that at the end of DBZ, Goku (or any living Saiya-jin) still had their tail and went Ozourou. You're seriously telling me that SF would win?

Ummm....noooo.... The Spirit Bomb draws energy from all organic life, all living things. It cannot draw energy form a black hole or supernova. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

Furiza was not at his max when he used his Death Ball. When he blew up Planet Vegeta, did it look like he was really trying? He was laughing casually as he was charging the thing.

Akuma: It is true what you say about the Kongou Kokuretsuzan. However, if Goku can simply pull off a Shukan Idou to teleport behind Akuma and Kame Hame Ha his ass.

You got me with the Shun Goku Satsu. I have to admit, any DBZ character would fall before it.

As far as the Tenshou Kareki Jin goes, sure, it could destroy a ship. But if you pit that against a Kame Hame Ha (which could destroy a planet), do you really think Akuma would still win?

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Gill: As far as the fire and ice thing goes, if he freezes Goku, he could simply power out of it using a Kaio-ken attack. Although I know it is just filler, I can say that he did the same thing in Movie #2: The World's strongest man. And Goku can take the heat. Remember when Furiza blasted Goku into the lava? Goku still survived, did he not?

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Oro: Kishin Riki can lift them and drop them, but what good does that do against characters that can fly?

The Tengou stone can lift debris (if thats what you meant by debree), but a well-aimed laser blast could destroy it.

Yagyao Dama could suck you in, yes, but isn't it possible for a DBZ character to use a blast of his own to destroy it?

So what if Oro is 150 years old? Kame-sennin is over 300.

Speed is nothing to worry about for the stronger members of DBZ. Sure, he could take out the humans, but I doubt he could use speed as an advantage against the stronger DBZ fighters.

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Bison: Sure he can teleport anywhere in the world, and a Psycho Crusher can kill above average humans, but I'm going to have to say that all of the Z fighters are just a wee-bit stronger than above-average humans.

Yes, Bison can absorb negative energy, but a Genki Dama can absorb positive energy.

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Twelve: If he's like Buu, than he can be defeated.

If you wrote all that supporting SF characters and their attacks, then look at this:



Goku: First off, his normal form is kinda powerful, but with three Super Saiy-ajin forms, he can transform until he's powerful enough to defeat his opponent.

Goku has the Kaio-ken, which can boost his already SSJ-boosted power.

Goku has the Shukan Idou, which means that he can immediately teleport away from a laser blast and counterattack.

Goku has the Kame Hame Ha, which is one of the most powerful attacks in the series, and he also has the Genki Dama, which will destroy anything with an "evil" ki.

And let's not forget about the Ryuken (Dragon Punch)

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Vegeta: He's got two Super Saiya-jin forms behind him, and he's arrogant. He won't give up in a fight unless he's dead. He's got the Final Flash and the Big Bang attack. The Final Flash is a whole lot stronger than the Kame Hame Ha. However, his arrogance makes him make mistakes, and he could easily underestimate his oppponents.

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Gotenks: At Super Saiya-jin 3 level, Gotenks would pretty much dominate the field. With attacks like Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball, Shine Shine Missile Barrage, and Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, he could easily prolly take out anyone.

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Piccolo: Though he's real weak compared to the Saiya-jins, Piccolo has two key attacks: the Makankosappo and the Renzoku Senkoudan. We all know what the Makankosappo is, and the Senkoudan is an attack that surrounds the opponent with hundreds of ki packets, which then converge and hit the target simultaneously.

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Vegetto: Easily the most powerful character ever to grace DBZ, Vegetto not only is powerful, but has ALL of Goku and Vegeta's attacks.

1- you repeated what Tarkan said, but you were VERY mean about it.

2-If we pretended that it some living saiya jin still had their tail, then we would be going out of bounds in this topic, because no one kept their tails. But please do tell your reasons.

Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice??? :p

Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta.
This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice" :p
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice??? :p

Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta.
This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice" :p
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)[/quote]
What? You moron, Dragonball GT is not part of Dragonball! DBGT was not from a manga! It is not an official series! Even Tarkan will agree with me. DBGT was made by an outside party who wanted to continue the DB"Z" phenomena. It was not approved by Toriyama, it merely used Characters from the DB"Z" series!

You cannot say that Goku fused with Shen-long has a power level of any sort, because after the Furiza Saga of DBZ Toriyama did not release any power levels! And neither did the makers of DBGT, so you can't say that he had a power of 1.5 billion!

Therefore, the fusion between Goku and Shen-long is invalid, as is Gogeta, because the only time we are introduced to him is during GT and the movies. And anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows that the movies are merely filler that never happened! So there, YOU are the frigging novice!


Therefore, your statement to Roll is also invalid. In DB"Z", the Saiya-jins DO NOT regrow their tails. Once it's cut off, it's off for good. And it's Ozourou, not Uzaru, and Vegeta was NOT the first to go Golden Ozourou in GT, Goku was! Goku looked at the full earth light and transformed, then transformed into Super Goku 4! Vegeta transformed AFTERWARDS because of the Brute Ray that Buruma made for Vegeta.


So don't call me a dummie, novice, or anything of the sort when it comes to DB"Z", because you really have no idea what you're talking about.

JOE I'm going to post agian just to make a noob like you angry.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru)

JOE I'm going to post agian just to make a noob like you angry.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru) :angry:

[quote:post_uid13="SBYRD5"]JOE I'm going to post agian just to make a noob like you angry.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru) :angry:[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13][b:post_uid13]<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>WHO THE #### ARE YOU TO CALL ME A NOOB? YOU LITTLE ####![/b:post_uid13]</span>

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>[b:post_uid13]GET THIS THROUGH YOUR TINY FRIGGING SKULL, YOU LITTLE nOOb: DRAGONBALL GT NEVER HAPPENED! IT IS NOT OFFICIAL! THEREFORE, WHEN TARKANX BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC AND SAID DB, HE MEANT WHAT WE KNOW AS DB AND DBZ. DBGT IS JUST LIKE AS IF I WROTE A STORY USING CHARACTERS FROM DBZ AND POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET. IT ISN'T REAL!</span>[/b:post_uid13]

However, if you [b:post_uid13]DO[/b:post_uid13] want to talk DBGT, then let's do so. When Goku, Trunks, and Pan return from space, they accidentally bring Bebi with them. Bebi infests the minds of many of the earthlings and then enters Vegeta, forming Bebi-Vegeta. During the course of the battle, Super Saiya-jin Level 2 Bebi-Vegeta beats up Super Saiya-jin Level 3 Chibi Goku. The Kaios feed Goku a potion that restores his tail, and Goku then goes and fights some more. He sees the light emitted by the Earth, and goes Golden Ozourou (I [b:post_uid13]DO[/b:post_uid13] know what Golden Ozourou is, you ####### moron. There is no "Super Ozourou"). He rages out-of-control, until Pan allows Goku's mind to take control of his body. Goku then transforms into Super Goku 4 and fights and beats up Bebi-Vegeta. Buruma makes a Brute Ray that allows Vegeta to go Golden Ozourou. However, when Bebi-Vegeta tries to become Super Bebi-Vegeta 4, Bebi (who is inside Vegeta's skull) can't shrink fast enough, and leaves Vegeta and tries to escape in a spaceship, but is destroyed by Super Goku 4's Kamehameha.

And it's "Ryuken", not "Dragon Punch". And he doesn't "learn" it when he goes Super Goku 4, he uses it in "DBZ Movie #13: Dragon Fist Explosion! If Goku Can't, Who Can?" against Hiredugarn.

So don't even think of calling me a noob again, because when it comes to DB"Z""GT", you're a frigging moron.[/color:post_uid13]

First simple I still know way more than you and were talking about THE BRAGON BALL SERIES NOT Z SERIES MAN YOUR SLOW....NO REAL SLOWWWW :p
P.S I Knew about Bebi stupid.. :angry:
OH and Gogeta and also Goku's fusion with the Eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....

[quote:post_uid13="SBYRD5"]First simple I still knoe way more than you and were talking about THE BRAGON BALL SERIES NOT Z SERIES MAN YOUR SLOW....NO REAL SLOWWWW :p
P.S I Knew about Bebi stupid.. :angry:
OH and Gogeta also Goku's fusion with the eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13]What is "THE BRAGON BALL SERIES"? It's actually "Dragonball". And how many times do i have to say it?

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>[b:post_uid13]I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAGONBALL SERIES, BUT DRAGONBALL GT DOES NOT COUNT! THERE WAS NEVER A MANGA FOR IT! IT WAS NOT CREATED BY THE SAME GUY WHO MADE DRAGONBALL AND DRAGONBALL Z! IT IS JUST LIKE A FAN-FICTION STORY! THEREFORE, ANYTHING PERTAINING TO DRAGONBALL GT IS IRRELEVANT IN THIS CONVERSATION! LOOK AT THE TITLE, IT SAYS "NOT COUNTING GT" AND UNDER IT IT SAYS "AND NOTHING CONTRADICTING THE MANGA" SO GT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!</span>[/b:post_uid13]

And what the hell does[/color:post_uid13]
[quote:post_uid13]OH and Gogeta also Goku's fusion with the eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13]mean? learn how to type in normal English. :angry:

Man, I know like a million times more about anything in Dragonball than you do. Hell, you don't even know how to spell the names of characters / items from the series! Here, let's review a post of yours:[/color:post_uid13]

[quote:post_uid13]Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios. Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)[/quote:post_uid13]

[color=green:post_uid13]Lemme count off the mistakes:

1)The moon was never wished back. It was a mistake while writing the series.

2)First off, his name is not "the Turtle hermit", you can say it either Kame-sennin or Muten Roshi.

3)You spelled Furiza two different ways, and they're both wrong.

4)Furiza didn't own Planet Vegeta, he hired the Saiya-jins to work for him, and when he thought they got too strong, he killed them all off.

5)You also misspelled "Saiya-jin". It's "Saiya-jin", that's the official name. They only use "Saiyan" in the English Dub.

6)His name it Radditsu, not Raditza.

7)And the only time Furiza was going to come to earth was when he was defeated by Goku on Planet Namek. He was not going to come to earth if Vegeta and Nappa lost to the Z Fighters (not the Street Fighters).

So there. In that one post you made, you made 7 real stupid mistakes in a basic post about DBZ. So who knows more about DB series now, punk?[/color:post_uid13]

Joe this is fun your still a joke but fun.
Look tails do grow back stupid really.
1)When Goku First transformed in DB series for the first time the cat Puar I believe turned into a pair of scissors and cut off goku's tail.
2)The tail reappeared during the world Martial Arts Tournament
when Goku fought a creature in the tournament that was a Talking dragon or dinosaur with wings.
3)Gohans tail was pulled out by Piccolo when Gohan first transformed.
4) Gohan's tail reappeared when there was a fake moon in the sky. Piccolo pulled it out again.( keep reading please)

Sorry to post again
5) Ok the next time was when they were fighting vegeta.The tail reappeared and was the cause of vegeta's defeat.(How could you forget that?? Do you watch the DBZ series at all)
6)Vegeta's tail was cut off by the fat guy.(THE REST IS GT)
:p :0

OH sorry with the jokes; Joe chill out you dissed me first.(Think back)

yamcha.....pfft........ and i know gokus pl ia higher than 150,00

no #### sherlock......i put that it would make sense if a sf character fought yamcha......because he's human....

there is only one moon. And That was destroyed.



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This flash back wasnt in the manga, Vegeta just told Goku how planet Vegeta was destroyed.




what the hell......



Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.



Actually Gohan turned SSJ2 in the time room, but it wasn't seen, that's why Goku wanted Gohan to fight Cell, because he saw Gohan go SSJ2, but not for that long. And yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.


Okay, yeah I saw that...



LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million


Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million


Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.



fine.....


He might have said it in the anime, but it's not in the manga, so Raditz doesnt move at the speed of light.



Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....



His power level doesnt stay the same, Piccolo stated against Goku that he got stronger when he grew.


I already did, and I posted it first.....


Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.



The only one who would stand a chance would be Gill, since oozaru is crazy.


The genki-dama does draw energy from all organic life, but it doesnt draw energy from black holes or super novas, Kaio-sama sates this in the manga. The manga is true, the anime is not(most aspects).


I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)



Yes Freiza wasnt at his max, and cant be at his max in form 1 through form 3 because he'll kill himself.


It takes about 5 seconds for a regular kameha meha to be charged(stated), by that time Akuma would teleport to another place in the area.



The Tenshou kareki-jin isn't a projectile, so it'd be a mismatch if a non-projectile would face against a projectile.



Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.


Oro can fly too.



Oro can lift all the debris in the world, so he'll just throw all of it, yes even boulders at his opponent.



Yagyou-dama is bigger than almost any DB"Z" characters blasts.



Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore.


You like to de-exaggerate the SF characters, Oro can't move at the speed of light, but he can move so fast, you don't even see him, just like the DB"Z" anime.



Yes that is true, but Bison has plenty more in his aresenal.

His psycho shot takes a lot of damage, and he can gain control over the opponent.



It takes a long time before a genki-dama can be charged to be thrown at the opponent. And At that time, Bison would just rush down Goku.



Twelve, is like Buu, but doesn't feel hurt when he gets punched or kicked at, only ki can hurt him. And Buu was beaten by the genki-dama, which the genki-dama takes a good while to be charged.



SSJ3 drains the life out of you if your alive, but yeah is other 2 SSJ forms are powerful, but the SF characters still have their trump cards.


Goku can't use kaio-ken in his SSJ form, he'll die if it was used. Kaio-ken is too much stress and I mean TOO MUCH stress in the body, SSJ forms are stressful as well, and talk about SSJ3, if Goku wants to commit suicide, he'll just use kaio-ken + SSJ.



True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle.



The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique. Yes The kamehameha is powerful enough to destroy the earth, and much more, but Goku wouldn't do that, since hed be killing himself, and since this is a battlle, no one would want to risk killing themselves.



What part of the Ryuken(not GT) was used in the DB series? Because it wasnt used in the DB"Z" series.



Yeah final flash can destroy the earth, and maybe big bang, final flash is stronger than the kamehameha.


*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.



Piccolo's makankosappa just pierces through the opponents body, but it's really powerful when it hits, it can kill the opponent, but Piccolo's renzoku senkoudan wouldn't work against Gill since Gill will just create a forcefield around himself.


Vegeta is easily the best DB"Z" character, but he's still flesh, Gill can take him out.





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No offense, and I'm trying to be nice when I say this but, please stop acting stupid, and please don't bring up GT or the movies in this debate.



True



True



True, but GT is filler so we don't need to go into this.



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The tails werent permanently removed when before they regrew back.



Goku only fought Vegeta twice, and the 2nd time vegeta didnt have the tail, and Yajirobe permanently cut off Vegeta's tail.



150,00? dubya tee eff.... I think you mean 150,000, and Goku has a much higher PL than 150,000.



maybe not a sf character, but a sf character like Ryu, but Ryu MIGHT be able to beat Yamucha, but Yamucha would have an upper hand IMO, unless Ryu doesn't turn into evil ryu.

oh god.