put it like this.
if there were a real life tourney with these characters and all of there powers, equal experience and evrything, who do you think would win. Kyo or Ryu? my vote, Kyo. Iori or Ken. Iori wouldnt even have to use Orochi to beat Ken. Rugal or Akuma...not so sure, but Akuma might win that one. Orochi vs. Akuma. Orochi would torch Akuma. M. Bison vs. NEone on KOF. NEone on KOF.

thats not accurate cuz capcom started producing their vs games and didnt make their own game and have their own bosses..

you're comparing the bosses with the main characters, if it was terry, andy, kyo, joe, vs. ryu, ken, akuma, and dan, it would prolly be even..

well...umm...yeah...it would first be a tourney inside the companies themselves and the best 5 would start a new tourney, sort of like the world martial arts tourney on DB/Z. It would probly go like this:

Ryu Kyo
Ken Iori
Akuma Orochi
Dan K
Guy Terry

something like that, but those arent the match setups.

I Realy Dont Care What Anyone Says,SNK Is The Best MuHaHaHaHaHaHa.

....Gotenks, you were (keyword: WERE) underestimating the capcom characters. As you said, Iori can use orochi, but that is more of a transformation. Accounting towards the fact that two of the characters you listed in those fights can also transform (Ryu, and Akuma), that would ALSO change the outcome of the matches that would take place for them. Plus, there are the other characters in SF and SNK. Don't forget to add THEM to the mix.

@_@ I can't beleive i read this whole thing.....

lemme clear up some mistakes i read....
prince you are mistaken when you said sagat's eye was injured badly from ibuki's father or whatever..It was DAN's dad who took out his eye.(sagat killed him shortly)

karma: snk does have an anime series and movie.... cough fatal fury2 cough.also in cap vs snk i think they were trying to make the characters look more REALISTIC..and i don't know about you but i personaly think ryu's character is better shown in capvs snk

now onto the games themselves

i will agree that snk(and they invented the 3 char vs 3 char. not capcom) has cool characters and I would rather play with terry bogard than ken.

BUT I also enjoy capcom's vs games ALOT! I mean they are alot of fun,its kinda like fighting games meets party games(4 to 6 characters on each side)
as far as character development snk and capcom are evenly matched.

now when you say snk keeps making too many sequels.. kof 94 to 2001, think a bit to yourself how many sequels were added to street fighter?or more so street fighter 2 (turbo,super turbo,super turbo dash editon, etc)

now onto originality
capcom has made clones(who doesnt) cough shotos cough,but they are a bit different when it comes to personality and moves. but they are the inventors of the guy in a karate suit.plus they are making new characters in almost evrycapvsmarvel game.
now snk doesnt have many clones other than a few chars in sammurai showdown and kof.I beleive however they are better in character animation and art (look at garou great design and character movements)
snk also has the best character originality and design...look at iori you gotta love that crasy pyscho kinda look and hair but he also is a bit of an antihero.

gameplay id say capcom beacause their grooves arent as confusing as snk. but i like snk's desperation moves and powerups to charge your super meter.and i like iori's orochi look.really makes him look alot scarier than shin akuma.

all in all i think snk and capcom are evenly matched when it comes to games,but my personell fav is snk.

well thats about all i have to say...soo umm stay in school and don't do drugs...word to ya mother.

Silent_Bob: yeah, sry, about that, i got confused with whose father scarred Sagat's eye.

and about that unoriginality in Samurai Shodown, there is absolutly NO clones in Samurai Shodown, except for MAYBE (galford/hanzo, nakoruru/her sister that i forgot the name of) but KOF does have lots of clones, since it has 40+ characters.

now for the graphics and animation parts, i'd have to disagree with you bob, cause personally i believe all the SF3 and VS games developed by capcom have better graphix(it's quite obvious actually considering the 3d backgrounds and stuff).




Here is the thing that answers most of your questions about how any body can beat Ultimate Rugal. In the OFFICIAL capcom vs SNK time line, just Rugal, all by himself, took out Shin Akuma. He then sucked out the dark hado energy and became Ultimate Rugal. now you have to ask yourself, in real life, who do you think would win? Shin Akuma(probrably the most powerful character Capcom has) or Ultimate Rugal(a man who has the blood of the orochi AND stolen Dark Hado powers from Shin Akuma)?

and Most of you have only focused on SF and KOF characters. what about dark stalkers? and SS? and Last blade?

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]and Most of you have only focused on SF and KOF characters. what about dark stalkers? and SS? and Last blade?[/quote]
Dun forget Cyberbots! :biggrin:

huh? that's the first time i've heard of that game. name some characters from there

vegetam: where do you think the chars named JIN came from ?

CYBERBOTS : FULL METAL MADNESS
that's the name of the arcade game !
a game where giant WAR robots fight each others. they aren't like gundam or anything, some have wheels some have legs other just float above ground. most of them have arms and a head and when you win the 2 on 3 the other robot explod and the char eject just a bit before his demise ! very cool game ! but so unlike all the other CAPCOM fighting game ever done !

example:
2 attacks button
1 thruster button
1 weapon button

the game feature about 8 chars but you got the choice of about 12 categorized robots.
the game also feature UNIQUE chars and UNIQUE MOVES
it's the real first time i see a game that has no clone in the chars.
but there are in the robots as they are just mix of arms, body, legs or wheels. but they do have their own super move !

yep, you should definetely put Cyberbots in the poll !

as for the CAPCOM vs SNK debate...
i have tryed to tell you that since the start.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THING IN REAL LIFE AS THEY DON'T EXIST
it's like comparing religions !

if you're gonna say things then try and be like silent_bob.
i too think it is evenly matched...
VEGETAM: there are clone in SS.
GALFORD / HANZO
- learn by the same master
- have the same techs
- one has a dog other have not
- one is USA other is JAPAN

seems like another ryu/ken clones for me !
to finish with... if you're gonna go into clones then you should compare techniques too. has in CAPCOM there are LOTS of chars able to SHOOT fireballs. SNK do have lots of his chars able to shoot FIREBALLS. Capcom have lots of DRAGON PUNCH like techs. megaman has one, cyclops has one, ryu/ken/akuma/dan has their own. SNK do has lots of chars who doe's that too.

in the nutshell, ALL and i really say's all chars have the same techs except they are a liltle modified but they still doe's the exact same output !

now, i'm gonna get flame for this and the forst person to say so will be *drumroll* vegetam as he don't like CAPCOM !

um... since when did i flame anyone except ppl who make senseless posts. if you are talking about arguing against you, then of course! this is a debate what do you expect?

and YES i said that all SS characters were unique with the EXCEPTION of hanzo/galford and nakoruru/her sister. and besides, galford and hanzo didn't learn from the same master. even though they're so similar and stuff. the moves are pretty varied. galford uses element of lightning while hanzo uses fire. most of galford's moves involve his dog so that's something VERY much different from hanzo. hanzo meanwhile, throws shurikens and does throws on his opponnent.

and what does religion have to do with this topic? it CAN be compared in real life! how do you think ppl in the sf vs dbz topic debated? based on real life of course! and i never mentioned anything on real life up to this point! i just said that the official timeline of what happened in Capcom vs. Snk was that rugal beat Shin akuma

To answer your question, the characters from cyberbots are Jin Saotome, Mary Mayabi, Santana, Gawaine Murdock, Bao and Mao, Arieta, Devilot, Shade, G.O.D, and "Zero" Gouki. I have more Capcom games, if you care to ask for more...

vegetam: even in the DBZ vs SF thread no one ever compared them in REAL life ! why because THEY AREN'T REAL !

they based the chars on what they saw in the anime or in the manga... i don't remember seeing goku or any other chars in any GAMES fighting in real life ! tell me at what event in the world did you saw them real with real hair, with real skin, with real powers ? go ahead and tell me !

the religions thing was a comparision nothing more than that !
YOU CAN'T COMPARE GAMES with real life... as they aren't on the same basis ! we obey at PHYSIQUES in this world (REAL WORLD) but those games chars aren't obeying at anything !
Example:
WE can't fly, but DBZ chars can !
WE aren't able to throw fireballs, but SF chars can !

those are reason enough not tell you can't compare cause our physiques aren't the same and we can't base our FACTS on that because it will make nonsense !

that is what i meant !
you wanna compare , compare GAMES that have both in !
in this case. only CvsSNK 1 & 2 ! as they are the only games that had both chars in it ! but again, i will always say it... in games there is no better chars, just better players !

capcom every time ken, ryu, ex2 alhpa 2 ,,omg..snk..hmmm.no...its good but just doesnt cut the chees

:hmmm:

SSJKarma: um... you think those simple attacks in dbz can't be performed in real life? you think ryu's hadoken can't be possible? no as most ppl think, what i'm about to say isn't delusional or too much obsession. ki(chi) is very real. it is used in many of the top martial arts of the world. and in almost every martial art's history there have been tales of doing the impossible(converting your ki into energy). it is real, ppl have done it before. and it's not impossible. anyways, but that's a whole different arguement so i'm not going go off topic.

and as i've stated before, i didn't start this "real life" talk. all i'm pointing out is the official timeline of what happened in CvS2. yes, player skill matters a lot, but a character's priority(tarkan x's terms) also matters. for example, the best wolvie player in xmvssf may not defeat the best ryu player the reason is: priority.

well Capcom has the most votes......I guess people like Capcom funny characters......yeah that's another thing about SNK......well I'm not sure but SNK doesn't have like silly, funny characters or "cute characters".......I mean look at Capcom......they got megaman, roll, sakura, servbot, dan hibiki.......and lotsa of people like that more then just serious characters.........

go look up kazuya, kensou, kim dong hwan, shingo, hokutamaru, etc from SNK

SNK owns Capcom in this category.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]go look up kazuya, kensou, kim dong hwan, shingo, hokutamaru, etc from SNK

SNK owns Capcom in this category.[/quote]
hey I said I wasn't sure :biggrin:

VEGETAM: yes the body of someone is producing energy ! but i really doubt someone would really be able to channel that much to throw a fireball with it !

second:
SNK doesn't OWN capcom as you say !
i really wasn't with what tarkanX said about priority !
he was sure as hell that no one could beat the best players who had more priorities ! i always say that the player is ALL what is needed in a fighting game ! sure the priorities are there but no they don't make you win.

BEST PLAYER vs BEST PLAYER = LOSER is the one who will make the less mistakes !
i really don't think there are thiers like TarkanX said !

don't start to talk like him cause i won't start that debate about PRIORITIES again !

look, if the best Wolvie player in xmvssf faces the best Ryu player in xmvssf. and if both of them don't make any mistakes in the battle. who would win? it would obviously be the one who has the best character. yes, all characters have weakness and strengths so you can't really say one is better than the other, but the one with the most strengths and least weaknesses is obviously going to be the superior one.

I like Capcom since they had a marvel title but since capcom didn't make spidey and SNK made the coolest charactar next to spidey, Rock Howard, i'll have to go with snk