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Um, could Vegeta teleport away from the mind control when Babadi was using his mind control? No. Babadi was able to manipulate Vegeta, and he was a very weak magician. Therefore, mind manipulation is very easy to do against the DBZ characters.[/quote]

roll not really vegeta could fight Babadi out of his mind, in fact Babadi HAD NO control over vegeta. Vegeta told goku he LET Babadi control him cause he wanted the power
to bring down goku. Remember when he ordered vegta to kill all of the Z ppl he ignored him and fought goku, then destroyed Babadi's ship and went off to take down buu.
Also like i said before uub or the fat good buu (if he wanted to help) could easily take down the whole X-men, cause really buu is invincble. All thou i am not suree that uub is invincble :p :D

dbz has the power because when gokus throughs a spirit bomb no xmen would stand a chance and mostly all the z fighters could through huge beams like the spirit bomb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ???

Oh I see. You're trying to bring in the fact that they faught against each other. If you're adding in this, Vegeta would probably fight against Goku if Jubilee or someone else said that he was weaker than Goku, and the only way to prove he was stronger would be to kill him. Sad isn't it? Now, I can bring up rivalries all day. Would you like to make the fight fair or not? If so then I'll continue.

By Pheonix I mean the entity herself. They both combined, remember? They became one, and increased her power of the mind. She can definitely Control the minds of all the DBZ characters easily, as stated by Nantuko. Btw, Machine, you forget that Vegeta doesn't like to show weaknesses, so he might have just said that in order to seem like he meant for it to happen. I mean, he couldn't have known that babadi was going to increase his strength at all.

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.

Vegetto, you'd be surprised how much that doesn't really say. Pheonix could reflect it, or Juggernaut could absorb it, or Onslaught could use his mind manipulation abilities to make the Z fighters forget how to use the attacks. It's all really simple if you know your X-Men. X-Men would really win this battle, but not without a fight.

Why always debate something with DBZ? ???

They're DBZ freaks, what do you expect?

im not a freak rember that other vegetto made it im veggeto with two gs the other won has two ts

Bah forget this debate... I'm going to start a REAL debate.. :biggrin:

[quote:post_uid0="mysticveggeto"]im not a freak rember that other vegetto made it im veggeto with two gs the other won has two ts[/quote]
REALLY! Well, how about I prove you wrong with a link, huh?

click me

whel look at the topic maker it says mysticvegetto and im mysticveggeto

first: the genki dama (spirit bomb) couldn't kill most of the XMEN as they are good !

second: vegeta didn't let himself over take he did fought like hell to keep his mind when it happenened ! yeah ONCE IT WAS STARTED he decided to try and keep his mind because he couldn't do better ! don't count what vegeta said because vegeta is so stuborn to tell the truth ! do you really think he planned this long before all happen ? no, he planned it when it happenned !

third: you're saying that DBZ win just because they can BLAST better than MARVEL ? think again ! there is not just BLAST in a fight there is more than that so don't act like a noob by saying stupidities like this !

four: in a blast duel, yes DBZ win !
BUT TRY TO TALK ABOUT HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT FOR A CHANGE !

in a very close range fight the person goes at the same speed as the other ! you don't see them going in thew show because it is there to show you fast they can be, but they aren't that fast without BOOSTING up ! get them rid of their KI and they are simple person !
PROOF ?
here's one !
VIDEL is an hell of a fighter !
when she learned how to use her ki then she had become more powerfull then she was ! all that is needed now is the training that goes with it and she could be as powerfull as krillin or even picollo ! as for the saiyen, no one can go to there level just because akira toriyama maked them the best fighter around ! (they die and resurect there stronger, they almoist die, they become stronger, they fight and lose, they become stronger, they simply fart and they become stronger !) now i'm asking you ! can you really say it is fair for any other fighter ?

i had enough of all this !
STOP DEBATING AROUND THINGS THAT CAN'T BE COMPARED !

Karma I agree with you on the fact that it's something pointless to debate on. But you gotta understand most people here I think are under 15 so they're curios.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Oh I see. You're trying to bring in the fact that they faught against each other. If you're adding in this, Vegeta would probably fight against Goku if Jubilee or someone else said that he was weaker than Goku, and the only way to prove he was stronger would be to kill him. Sad isn't it? Now, I can bring up rivalries all day. Would you like to make the fight fair or not? If so then I'll continue.

By Pheonix I mean the entity herself. They both combined, remember? They became one, and increased her power of the mind. She can definitely Control the minds of all the DBZ characters easily, as stated by Nantuko. Btw, Machine, you forget that Vegeta doesn't like to show weaknesses, so he might have just said that in order to seem like he meant for it to happen. I mean, he couldn't have known that babadi was going to increase his strength at all.

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.[/quote]
ok i see your point but vegeta saw how Videl did that fatel blow on Spopovitch in the tournerment, and did not even scracth him(and that move could almost kill a human) And when Vegeta found out about babadi's mind control over the 2 slaves which made them strounger than a averge human and the ablity to fly. He was thinking about letting babdi do this to him so he could be even more powerful. More powerful then goku.

For u see Vegeta knew he was weaker than goku when he failed against freeza. He was bossed around for years by the man who kiiled his father and he prince of all syains could do nothing about it, but when he saw goku go ss a mere low class sayain passed even him. Then and there he said for now goku is the stroungest i am at his mercy, also his pride was broken even when goku's own son took down cell and he failed in that. That is why he was so determine to be more powerful than goku and evened pushed his son trunks in training at a young age so his son could overcome goku's son goten.
Therefore it was his goal to train hard and one day beat goku in combat, and i dont think Jubilee could even push him thinking what he already knows
come on roll bring it on! :sly:

Then again, Machine, Vegeta is really stupid. Look how many times he's been tricked or has under-estimated people. (Cell, Frieza, Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Goku.....Goku :biggrin: ) Don't forget, that Onslaught could make him forget about him being stronger than Goku (if he really is) and then Jubilee could taunt him.


Veggeto/Vegetto: Oh yeah? Then why do BOTH of you have the SAME Banners? and avatar? And why do they have Veggeto and Vegetto on the banners? You are such a big fat liar, and I hate liars, Vegetto/Veggeto.

Wow, three more pages in a day. I've got some catching-up to do:

That's great....and also, while she's doing her disapperaing act, she can't attack anyone either, because she'd pass right through them

Ooh...he can hop. DBZ characters can fly. And it can't paralyze someone just from getting on there clothes or skin, they'd have to get it inside there body somehow

Yes...steel...and what are those buildings in DBZ made out of that get destroyed so easily during fights?

However, this is a fight to the death, not poker. Luck has nothing to do with instincts and good fighting skills

Any buu could take him out (i retract my previous statement about only kid buu). Buu has no mind, no internal organs or skeleton. Therefore, he can not be subject to any form of mind control or physical paralysis.

Not if its done from a distance. Remember, Babidi controlled Vegeta's mind, and he was already a good way into the control before Vegeta even knew what was going on...

Brolly doesn't count, since he didn't exist in the DBZ timeline

How many times do I have to tell you? DBZ fighters don't use RAW ENERGY! THEY USE KI! THERE'S A DIFFERENCE!

He can't heal himself immediately. If he got blown through the midsection with a beam, it's all over. Not even the adamantium skeleton would stop the blast

All except the Androids, Cell, and Buu

Teleporting is not a measure of speed. Goku can teleport too

Yes, but while she's in that state, she can't attack either

However, Storm is incredibly weak, and the weakest Ki blast from the weakest character in DBZ would knock her down.

I'm not just talking about little pieces. I'm talking COMPLETE DISINTEGRATION!!! As in, NOTHING LEFT!

the Adamantium on Wolverin'es skeleton IS ABLE TO BE BROKEN AND BENT. After all, how did the ppl who bonded it to wolverine shape it and curve it around his body? They had to have been able to bend or break or melt it somehow. Therefore, a DBZ beam would be able to shatter the metal.

And <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>ALLL</span> of a DBZ character's energy is pure ki. There is no "pure energy" or "raw energy"

You can't use that, because that dimension doesn't exist. In DBZ, when Goku teleports, he <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>IMMEDIATELY</span> appears where he wants to be, there is no in between. That dimension in Movie #6, it doesn't really exist

He can absorb it via his tail. Remember, he still has his tail in Perfect form, it's just really small. That's where he spit the Cell Jr.s from. He'd absorb the gem via his tail

He absorbed Android 17 and 18. They're half biological, half mechanical. Therefore, he is able to absorb non-biological forms

That dimension doesn't exist. And even if it did, there isn't only one entrance and one exit. Goku could form his own entrance and exit. And Goku's teleportation is INSTANTANEOUS, the exact moment he disappears, he reappears

Those little explosions aren't REAL explosions, just a flash of fire and sulfur. They wouldn't faze the DBZ characters, no matter how many times he does it.

and Goku could indeed sense Nightcrawler's teleportation. Characters can sense teleportation. They feel their "ki" and feel where it can appear next. Also, Goku would be able to hear the explosion of nightcrawler's teleportation and be there to punch him the moment he reappears. Remeber, Goku can OUTRUN AN EXPLOSION EVEN IF HE IS AT THE CORE! Therefore, he would be able to hear the beginning of Nightcrawler's return teleport and be there even before Nightcrawler reappears fully

although I'm all for DBZ, Buu is NOT invincible. lemme learn you something here:

After Kid Buu was killed, Goku wanted to fight Buu again (as a challenge) and used the Dragonballs to wish him back from death. However, only Buu's good half came back, and instead of forming Fat Buu, it formed Ubuu.

Therefore, Buu CAN be killed

He was never invincible in the first place

Videl could not become as strong as Piccolo or Kuririn. At best, she'd be able to kick Yamucha's ass (if she trained like mad), but no stronger

He'd just get annoyed with Jubilee and blast her. Besides, what will she do? Shoot fireworks at him?

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hha i shouled tell you this why? because the other vegetto is my coiusin and he toled me about the forum that won is the liar look he put him self the same age as me and me and my cousins computer is connectedand he told me the url for the banner oh what you say what you are

roll why in the hell are u calling me machine ???

:D dbz wud wup ass against x men street fight marvel and all.[CODE] reason #1 dbz guys havem ultimate attacks#2 dbz guys are faster than hell #3 KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : :angry: :angryfire: butx men wud put up a good fight and it depends on which dbz carachter they fight anbd wat point and time.Im with nantuko on many points and Id like 2 piont out 1.Wen night crawler dissapears he lets off a sulferic type smoke that indicates him going into the other dimension, but when goku teleports (which he doesnt,he uses instant transmission)there is no smoke ,or anything in that matter except his afterimage.so he doesnt go there k? THANK U

case closed DBZ wins :D *turns ss flys out window to roll's house to throw ki's at her house* jk :D :laugh:

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS ![/quote]
once again, DBZ character do not just use Ki to make their attacks stronger. You seriously think that Goku isn't much stronger than a normal human without using ki? You're seriously wrong. In Dragonball, they did just strength training without using ki, and Goku was still a kid, and he still whomped ass over every single person in the Tenkaichi Budoukais.

that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.

And I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong...

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.[/quote]
Yeah I agree :withstupid: I thought that was how the whole forum was helps the othr out.Jumps in exploits that weakness In their presence they leave the gift of Info along with other tiny lil help full things :biggrin:

he said streetfighter not xmen fool!

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zangief
ryu
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cammy
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THE OLD SCHOOL PEEPS COULD KICK GOKU'S ASS, IF GOKU HAS THAT HEART VIRUS. LOL :angry:

nantuko: i never said he wasn't strong ! i just said that he is very less strong than he looks since he most of the time KI to enhance their powers !

again, have you ever notice how the SAIYEN are THE ULTIMATE RACE ?
they fart and the earth explode !
come on ! be better than that !
GOKU = MAIN chars ! it would be bad if anything had happenned to him !

i think we shouldn't add the saiyen into this debate has they are way above anything normal !
example:
they die and come back to life = double their STRENGH
they almost die and are healed = double their strengh
they fight and lose = double their strengh

do the math and notice how they can be too much for any chars !
those are just because they are the main chars of the series !
if krillin would have been it's him who had been that strong !

again, with the same training ANYONE could be as strong as any DBZ chars !

Then we shouldn't add mutants to the debate, because they're way stronger than humans. Whoops. Your mistake

Their strength does not DOUBLE, where did you come up with that from? They simply get a power-up as if they were training. DOUBLE? Man, do you even watch the anime/read the manga?

Ummm......no. The reason why the Saiya-jins are so powerful is because of their race, they are a STRONG race with the ability to raise their power levels almost infinitely and millions of times higher than the strongest non-ki using human. Because of their ability to heal and get stronger, they are naturally stronger after every battle. That is why the Saiya-jins are so strong.

Now, Piccolo is a different story. Piccolo is a Namek-jin, and all Namek-jins have the power to regenerate as long as there head is intact. Therefore, Piccolo has been killed only twice. He also is so strong because of the training provided by North Kaio-sama, the fusion with Nail, and the fusion with Kame-sama. Therefore, Piccolo received a gigantic power-up and is incredibly strong, the strongest member of his race ever.

Now for the humans. 99% of all humans in DBZ cannot use Ki. However, the few of them who can (Tenshinhan, Yamucha, Kuririn, Chiaotzu) get strong, but nowhere near the Saiya-jin standards. No matter how much they try, they'll never be able to increase their power to that level, because #1 they don't have that much energy to begin with and #2 their bodies wouldn't be able to handle that much energy even if they could.

For example, every being in the universe has a maximum power level, a point where they can't get any stronger. When the Rou Dai Kaioshin allows Gohan to go Mystic, he DID NOT GIVE HIM ANY POWER, but merely awakened the power already inside Gohan. This form then allowed Gohan to use all of his power, and bring him to his max. However, no matter how much he tries, he will never be able to get any stronger than he is in his Mystic form. The Rou Dai Kaioshin merely expediated the process.

Therefore, one could conclude that the Saiya-jins have a higher max power level than humans. Humans, as compared to Saiya-jins, have extremely low maximum capacities.

Therefore, the statement taht "with training, anyone can be that strong" is false

first: vegeta said it himself when he was against zarbon. everytime a saiyen is defeated by someone, he gets back with TWICE STRONGER than he was when he gets beaten ! now i think that means i am right about it !

second: put that in real life, if wqe train toi be able to lift 1 ton then after a whole lots of training, we will be able to do so ! now why is this not possible in the DBZ universe ?
example:
KRILLIN was powered up by GURU in the namek saga !
guru said that he had awakened ALL his hidden power !
now, if i follow your reasoning, he wouldn't be able to use more than that power cause he was already at the max of his own power ! but then, he was a lot stronger than that at the end of DBZ.

third: you cannot put the saiyens as there power is, you said it yourself unlimited, that means they will always win whatever you say against it ! but the mutants have their power and do not get stronger like the saiyens so yes they can be included in the fight as they aren't INVINCIBLE ! ok !

now i know what you're gonna say...
GOKU, VEGETA had already die so they aren't invinsible !
true about that... but still, vegeta got beaten like hell by zarbon and he came back and it was the other way around ! and vegeta never trained ! and zarbon was way higher in power than vegeta ! goku was beaten to death then he healed in that chamber and he got to way higher powerlevel than he was before. he had no training ! by definition i think it is a little overpowered !

Just goten the smallest z-warrior would beat all of the x-men

vegeta would whipe out the entire universe :D

i can tell that everybody likes dbz

dbz is the only cartoon i watch! :D

This is my opinion
I would say sayians are the strongest race in the universe.
Sayians are born to fight they are born with the talent.
Fighting is the only thing sayians seems to do right. When
a sayian loses a fight there power increase . Ofcourse
thats just my opinion .I think any fighters from can raise there power level . and i didn't know the guy with the three eyes was from earth.

He only said that in the dub. He never made that statement in the Manga.

So that means you are not right about it

Once again, the dub. That was never said in the manga. The Saichourou only awakened SOME of Kuririn's inner power, but not all of it. Kind of like when Gohan went SSJ2 against Cell. He awakened SOME of it, but not ALL of it

I never said that, go back and read my post. I said that they can raise their power levels "ALMOST infinately". When I said, that, I exaggerated a wee bit, but just to drive home my point that the strongest human at his max power could never get even close to the strongest Saiya-jin at his max power.

Therefore, a Saiya-jin WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN WHATEVER I SAY AGAINST IT, and therefore DO NOT HAVE INFINITE POWER AND ARE NOT INVINCIBLE, and therefore CAN be included in this debate.

Zaabon: about 23,000
Vegeta: 24,000

Because Vegeta is stronger, he is able to best Zaabon. Then, Zaabon transforms into Zaabon Monster:

Vegeta: 24,000
Zaabon Monster: about 33,000

This way, Zaabon is WAY stronger than vegeta, and beats him easily. Vegeta is NEAR DEATH, HE ALMOST DIED, then gets healed. Because he got so close to death, his power-up was more than usual. Thus, I concluded that:

Zaabon Monster: about 33,000
Vegeta after healing: about 35,000

Thus, Vegeta was able to best Zaabon, and also Vegeta's pl also explains why he was able to stand up against Rikum of the Ginyu Tokusentai

Nope. You're giving him too much credit

Nope. You're over-exaggerating

all except ajtimbs

This is true.

THis is true

Yes, all fighters can raise there power levels, but not to the same level as a Saiya-jin.

And yes Tenshinhan is from earth

ok, let me put this into something else...
IF we put out the saiya-jin out of this... who would win ?

you will say that XMEN have all their chances !
why ? because its the saiya-jin who make the series or manga...
why ?
because akira toriyama wanted them to be the STARS of it ! it was just obvious that they would be unstopable !

example:
FREEZA was the strongest fighter alive and no one could even beat him, then GOKU came and beated him ! (SAIYEN)
CELL was the strongest monster they have ever meet, none of them could beat him except guess who, GOHAN (half SAIYEN) i consider only that SAIYEN half as he had gone SUPER and had a power way higher than anyone else. i doubt it was his HUMAN side !

BUU, the strongest monster they had to fought, guess who killed him ? you're right ! THE SO CALL SAIYEN !

now just tell me once where a human beated an EVIL char ?
you won't find as the humans aren't the MAIN characters of the show/manga !

now you said it yourself, he GOT HEALED and became STRONGER because he was ABOUT TO DIE... now, how many times does it happen that way in the show ? now you just prooves what i had said about the saiyen being to over powered in the show !

they could simply FART and the earth would blow up !
now, how many times will i have to say that these things cannot even be compared !

So what if the saiyans were the stars of dbz. Do you have f ckin problem with saiyans? And saiyans aren

First, Cell is part Saiya-jin, as he has Goku and Vegeta's DNA in his body.

And you HAVE to credit Gohan's human side. The human DNA in Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are what allow them to go SSJ at very early ages. It's been proven:

Goku: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Vegeta: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Gohan: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ early in life.
Goten and Trunks: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ earliest in life, they were both conceived AFTER their fathers were able to go SSJ.
Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. : 1/16 Saiya-jin, 15/16 Human. Went SSJ at around the age of four.

So you see, the human side of these characters are what allow them to go SSJ at early age

No. Yes, it is true that Goku was the one who directly killed Buu, but the thing that killed Buu was the Genki Dama. As you know, the Genki Dama is formed by the energy of all organic life that can be drawn from. Therefore, the defeat of Buu can be credited to all of the HUMANS of earth

Karma, you over-exxagerate too much. And you need to calm down and chill out, take a few deep breaths, switch to de-caf, or get a blowjob. Whatever it takes. You're too intense

Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it

That is true. The Saiya-jins need to train to raise their power. The mutants of X-Men need to train only to strengthen their physical bodies, and mental powers. However, no matter how much training, Cyclops beam can never get bigger, Wolverine's regeneration can never be faster, and Rogue's super-strength can't get any stronger

LMAO!!

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it[/quote]
If you read his profile, then I think you'll know why. He sounds JUST like Vegeta! Silly lil man! *giggles* ^-^

oh, that profile, i haven't changed that thing since the day i joined this forum

nantuko: i am calm ! it's just that i hate people saying me i don't know a thing when i do have wathced the story entirely ! i do know all the details of it all and i do watch the show ! but YOU (as in you and vegetam) are always saying i don't know a thing ! at least that how i feel about every one of your post in this stupid thread !

vegetam: brings out the sayiens and guess who could have destroyed all those monsters !

i don't want to do much about everyone in here as what i will say will be rejected by everyone as i think no one has ever understood the principles of DBZ physics !

KRILLIN: is one of the very strong fighter. he is at the level of piccolo ! the only thing that makes him unable to do much, is the FEAR he always have ! he never died from punch kick or anything ! he always dies cause of blast ! tell that he isn't strong !

VIDEL: is very strong for a human ! once shew knew how to channel her KI, she start training more and now has becom way more than every single human !

SATAN: he too has a very strong body, he did survives every single blow this has been given to him !

conclusion: blast kills people, now the punch or anything... TRAINING is the key as you said it yourself !
if SAYIENs can train, why don't the human be able to train too and get that same power ? sayiens are just another race, yess i have no choice but to say that ! then again... THEY TRAINED to be that strong !

my point...
SAiya-jins TRAINS their POWER to be STRONGER
mutants TRAINS their BODY to be STRONGER

there is a big differences between POWER and BODY !
mutants don't have KI as their PRIMARY weapon ! DBZ char does ! that is why you can't compared DBZ and XMEN as they don't use the EXACT same PHYSICS !

it's like comparing JOYCE to SUPERMAN and asking who would win between them both !

Ok, about the human and Saiyan training, their different planetarian races. What do you expect?

A Saiyan can do the exact same amount of training, starting at the exact same power level, age, height and so on. However, because of the structure of Saiyan DNA, Saiyans will just get stronger than humans.

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but if I see a chance to prove my opponent wrong, I will do so. I've NEVER said "Karma, you don't know $hit about DBZ" at all. What I HAVE implied was that due to the fact that I watch the Japenese anime and have read some of the manga, I know more information on a more official level than you know.

Kuririn is NOWHERE NEAR the level of power that Piccolo is at. The last power-up that Kuririn got was by the Saichourou on Namek, and that brought his power up to around 17,500 by my standards. He couldn't do a damn thing to Furiza except cut his tail off, and that was AFTER he almost died.

Now look at Piccolo. After fusing with Nail, he was able to best Furiza Form 2. It was also stated that Furiza Form 2 was about 1,200,000 in power level (I'm going by Tarkan's guesses), and although Furiza was stronger, it was also stated that though Piccolo was weaker, he was faster, more agile, and a lot smarter than his opponent and that is why he was able to show Furiza up. I'd put Piccolo's power level at around 800,000

Now, let's say that they both continue their training normally after the Furiza Saga. Not only would Piccolo still be stronger than Kuririn later on in the saga, but he also re-fused with Kami-sama, giving him a HUGE boost in power. Kuririn got nowhere near that level, because he stopped training after Cell Games

And Kuririn HAS died before because of a non-blast attack. He died in DB at the hands of I think Drum, during a MARTIAL ARTS fight, with no ki manipulation involved. Then, in the Furiza Saga, he almost died at the hands of Furiza when he was stabbed through the chest (still, no ki involved). And the second and final time he DID die, it wasn't from a blast, but Furiza made the ki inside of Kuririn explode. Thus, in a way he self-destructed.

So in conclusion to that, Kuririn is not as strong as Piccolo, and he has never died from a beam.

VIDEL: she can use only one ki ability: Bukujutsu, or the ability to fly. Other than that, she can't channel her ki anymore.

SATAAN: has absolutely NO ki manipulation. The only reason he's the "World Martial Arts Champion" is because he never actually defeated any ki-manipulating fighters, his victories are due to his skill in the martial arts

Saiya-jins train their BODY to become stronger. They cannot increase their strength in ki without strengthening the body, because extensive use of ki is harmful to the body. On earth, Goku was pretty much crippled from his own Kaioken x4 attack, because the Kaioken increases the speed at which the ki harms the body to make the body stronger. In order to become stronger with their ki, they must therefore train their body to become stronger.

No, mutants PRIMARY weapon is their own mutant powers. However, they don't need to train their body to make their mutant powers get stronger. Cyclops' strongest beam will always be the same size, no matter how much he trains himself. And the physical body doesn't matter against a DBZ character because his strength is not the same.

You see, the relationship between the body and ki is a symbiotic relationship. A person trains their body to increase their ki. In return, the ki allows the body to become even stronger. If the body becomes stronger because of the ki, it allows the person to train even more rigorously to raise the ki even higher, and the cycle continues. If a person has a weak body, then their ki is weak. If their ki is weak, they have a weak body.

On the other hand, we have X-Men. Their mutant powers and bodily strength are not like that. They may train to increase their physical abilities (strength, speed), but their mutant powers are unaffected. And yet if they train their mutant powers, their bodily state is unaffected.

So, in conclusion:

Saiya-jins body and ki feed off each other
Mutants body and powers work independently