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[quote:post_uid0="Orlando0"]I'm with Kester. It's stupid really. End the suffering before it starts? BAH! Excuses. Let it live and put it in adoption or something. Abortion? That's for wusses, losers and idiots. It's your fault if you have the baby.

Heck, it could live a good life even if you are the worst parents on earth.[/quote]
excuse me? wusses losers and idiotS?

wait- you're talkinga bout the parents. yet you dont mention anywhere the welfare of the baby. its their

fault yes. but is it the baby's? should he or she live in a ife that was uncalled for and yet unloved

for a stupid mistake the parents made?

thats very selfish. not only do you continue to live a terrible life, but you bring another human being

with you.

fact: only 15% of all people put on adoption ever get adopted.

so, if you put it on adoption, there is a 15% chance he/she will ever find a home. there is an 85%

chance he or she will live a cold, parentless life.

people who never get adopted live terrible lives, nd if you get the luck of GETTING adopted, there is

still the possiblity of getting a terrible adopted parent, one who beats you, or even one who physically

exploits you.

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of course I feel sorry for all the kids that go though foster homes and have nobody to love them,

but EVERY BABY THAT IS ABORTED WAS NOT NECESSARILY GONNA HAVE A CRAPPY LIFE!

have you ever heard of a multi millionare putting her baby up for abortion? no. but, what you do hear is

the countless teen pregnacies, unprotected births, and rapes.

what is the basis behind abortion? to give up a fetus you cant care for.

its not "because i have the money, have the time, have the space, and have the love, but just dont want

to give it."

its not like that.

fact: 38% of teen mothers give there baby up for abortion.

i didnt say millionare mothers, i said TEEN mothers. what this implys is under 18, unable to work and

still in school.

THAT IS NOT THE LIFE YOU WANT TO LIVE. thats not the life you want your child to live, eigther.

adoption? i already explained that.

kester, i do beleive you are a bible beleive, no?

so, you would beleive in the devine after life... right? think of it this way.

you can eigther bring the baby down to earth, or he/she can chill in heaven for a bit longer.

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Fact: 54% of all abortion-ees are under the federal poverty level.

that meens they're poor. now, when you're a poor teen mother, what other option is there? adoption? i

already explained that.

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WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE HUMAN WILL LIVE THEIR LIVES

WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SNUFF OUT THE POTENTIAL ENERGY

we have no idea? wrong. we do have SOME idea. if you're a poor teen mother with few family and no where

else to go, chances are your baby will be flipED UP.

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fidel castro, timothy Mcveih, saddam hussein, osama binladen, stalin, adolf hitler

i dont know about you and you're crazy right winged theories, but i'd be fliping glad if those mass

murderers were never born.

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kester, you're a bush supporter, right? i find it ironic how he's pro life, yet giving tax cuts and

buget breaks to the rich, making the poor poorer.

why is that ironic? because the poorer a society is, the more likley you are to have an abortion.

its been proven. here in east LA, the abortion level is like 1/7, which is pretty fliping high. (if you

couldnt deduce the info, east la = poor)

you see, kester, imo the reason you probably are pro-"life" is because you havent had these experiences.

you're not in the position of a potential abortionists. you're not a poor teen parent, and probably

you'll never have an experience remotly close to it. you dont have that bind, and you DONT know what

they've been going through. you cant judge, because you've never lived what they've gone through. i

have, i have some clsoe relationships with abortionists and i KNOw what they went through.

its not enough to talk about things you read about but to live the things you know about.

it just depends on what situation the people are in...
that's all there is to it..
their situations.. their desire... their decision..
nothing els to say about it..

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n if youhav a chance thn dont give it up!!

so what you're saying is if you can, do because others cant? thats retarded. i can, but im not. why?

because im only 15, i CANT SUPPORT A CHILD. and neigther can most abortionists.

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ofcourse u regret it later in life

just like when you're child gets into drugs and joins a gang, you regret ever having him/her?

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(maybe a perfectly good baby)

no, NOT a perfectly good baby, becasue as i have already explained, babies put up from abortion are from

the poorests areas, in the worst conditions. NOT a perfectly good baby.

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babies are innocent til thy come in the world!! until thy strt seeing & experiencin things!!!

seriously killin a perfectly innocent baby???

yes, babies are innocent. but if you PUT them into a bad environment, which you do in cases of most

obortionists, they grow up with the experiences of the neigborhood and area. its not the baby's fault

you grow up in the ghetto and your mother has to be a prostatute to put cereal on the table. but hey, at

least you can spend all your time in the back room huffing paint, right?

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"I rather die on my feet, than live on my knees -- Emilliano Zapata"

omg that quote is about mexican pesants rising up against the spanish republic. NOT about baby's rasing

up against impossible odds.

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and as for an 11 year old girl giving birth if she can't have the baby she shouldn't be messing around in situtations where she could get pregnant anyways.

u do the crime u do the time thats how is and thats the same thing with having sex. u wanna mess around

be ready to take responsiblity.

RAPE

its not the womens fault, nor the child. you're only 11, right? is it the baby's fault you cant sustain it? no.

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most ####orns r adopted right away for there aren't many of those most kids who r moved from foster home

to foster home r those that come into the system a bit older.

posts some facts backing up that BS.

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now how many of you pro-life people still want kerry to win.......

thats one of the main reasons I dont like kerry, cause he is pro-choice

kinda hypocrytical....

yeah, whats even more hypocritical is when you vote for a "pro-life" person who spends most of his time and money plotting on how to kill other people.

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Vf is only fifteen, and the girl is only eleven, which means, they have no means of supporting this child. Oh, and Vf's parents are crack heads, so they won't be able to assume responsability for their childs actions.

its like you're reading into my memoirs! no wait-

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that child could be the the first person to walk on mars

that child could be our greatest president

that child could find a cure for cancer

that child could also be a serial killer

that last option is bold for a reason.

but more then all of those, the baby will grow up being a poor low life living off the government going bad deeds done dirt cheap.

tell me the name of one great leader/person who was born in poor/ghetto environemts. cant do it, can you?

i would quote and rebutalize your posts but most are just "aww... its just a baby! how sad." or just redirect already posted and rebutalized by me, or just usless and retarded.

natured or nertured is the question here ur being sterotypical when u say someone from the streets will grow up and be a ganster or thug on the streets because thats where they came from not true u get ur rapper straight out the hood never had a cent in his name and he's now a multi millionar yeah highly not likely to happen but it does not every child born in the ghetto ends up in the streets were all different we all see the world differently and that quote i don't care where i came from what it impiles is to try u rather try then live a life with choices made for u and that relates back to the baby issue of not giving them a chance and u don't know that they'll not want to live thats their choice and most who don't want to live commit suicide by themself no need to help them out but thats up to them wether they live or not no one should have the power to rob another of life and u think i don't knowbecause i come from a good neighbor hood and stuff like that i worked for everything i got from nothing i came from nothing like everyone else and yes i know what it's like to come into close contact with abortion my sister nearly made that choice once i didn't let her my neice is the best mistake my sister ever made and it doesn't change anything some school nights i'd have to stay up till 2 am because she's crying and my sister stressed out tired of her crying but every time i look at my neice i'm glad that she's there and things weren't always all good but being a parent has it's rewards it's not an easy job but it has it's ups and downs just like life so don't tell me i don't know how it's like to come from a ghetto i came from a place thats worse then what u guys call the ghetto no stores no electricity no running water to a country i didn't speak single word of the language and i'm doing fine u live u learn u make ends meet

Vf abortion has nothing too do with being poor...Some teen mothers that come from good wealthy families still do have abortions..Are you saying that you are against a rich person having an abortion but you are not against a poor person having an abortion?..isnt it still the same thing...Arent they both still killing a human being...If you cant give that child a good life then you put it up for adoption just so it can have a chance too live its life!...When the child is 18 he is able too leave those adoption agencies so he can start his/her own life..THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT TOO ABORT A CHILD JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SUPPORT IT SIMPLY FIND A FAMILY FOR THE CHILD BEFORE YOU HAVE IT
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u want proff of how many parents of waiting for a ####orn baby to take home u have a whole search eangine of it go ahead and search all u want i'm sure theres over thousands waiting to take home a baby be my guess to search all u want :P vf :P thoustands upond thousands :P no need for abortion

http://adoptionnetwork.com/waitingfa...cid=C13083x019

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here ur being sterotypical

no, im being factual. fact is, if you're from a poor neigbhorhood, you're life'll suck more. i know this, i know it because i've experience it.

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when u say someone from the streets will grow up and be a ganster or thug on the streets because thats where they came from not true u get ur rapper straight out the hood never had a cent in his name and he's now a multi millionar yeah highly not likely

note, you say the word rapepr. so the flip what? rapping now days is so text book, all you gotta do is say bitches, hoe, and "got shot 9 times" to make a selling record. if you were to say "some of the most brilliant phycologists come from ghetto neighbor hoods" okay, now you have a point. but you dont. you just have a rapper who made it. if that rapper were dead (which he might just be in a while, since rapeprs do promote violence in thier lyrics) the world would be the same place. the only rapeprs i know who made a difference were public enemy. and those are the one who "died on their feet" instead of all the others who are gonna "live on their knees" since you insisted in bringing an outside nonrelative quote into this.

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to happen but it does not every child born in the ghetto ends up in the streets were all different we all see the world differently and that quote i don't care where i came from what it impiles is to try u rather try then live a life with choices made for u and that relates back to the baby issue of not giving them a chance and u don't know that they'll not want to live thats their choice and most who don't want to live commit suicide by themself no need to help them out but thats up to them wether they live or not no one should have the power to rob another of life and u think i don't knowbecause i come from a good neighbor hood and stuff like that i worked for everything i got from nothing i came from nothing like everyone else and yes i know what it's like to come into close contact with abortion my sister nearly made that choice once i didn't let her my neice is the best mistake my sister ever made and it doesn't change anything some school nights i'd have to stay up till 2 am because she's crying and my sister stressed out tired of her crying but every time i look at my neice i'm glad that she's there and things weren't always all good but being a parent has it's rewards it's not an easy job but it has it's ups and downs just like life so don't tell me i don't know how it's like to come from a ghetto i came from a place thats worse then what u guys call the ghetto no stores no electricity no running water to a country i didn't speak single word of the language and i'm doing fine u live u learn u make ends meet

okay, this one time i went to the store and i was like buying some cheetos, and i like payed the guy. me and my frreinds, we like were chilling for hours, just talkign about stuff we've beent hrough and stuff. my freind had to go home, so we did. we went home and started playing nintendo. my freind robert kicked my ass at tony hawk! i later found out it was because he put in a cheet code. we then ate pizza and we went to sleep. when i got up for school the next day, i put on my clothes and i was out the door. i turned in my homework, which was kinda hard.

hmm... i notice that had little to do with my argument and was neigther here nor there... im gonna try not to burst out into stories that have nothing to do with the topic...

maybe you should follow my lead.

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yes, i am against that. becasue those who are rich are just lazy mother flipers living off their parents and flip but dont want children. they're not in a crisis, they can support a child but just dont want to. dont get me started on the rich.

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for adoption just so it can have a chance too live its life!

didnt i just fliping go through this?! i already stated reasons WHY adoption isnt this miricle option you people deam it to be. read my posts, and read them more carefully next time, you might learn why you're wrong.

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...When the child is 18 he is able too leave those adoption agencies so he can start his/her own life..

and work at burger king for minnimum waige, go home to his appertment for the holydays, have few freinds and very few people that love him/her. why? because he/her have NO family, NO money, and NO where to go. do you still think adoption is such a great thing?

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THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS NOT RIGHT TOO ABORT A CHILD JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SUPPORT IT SIMPLY FIND A FAMILY FOR THE CHILD BEFORE YOU HAVE IT

oh yes, "find" one. liekt hey just come out of thin mother fliping air?

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oh yeah, you totally beat me, jackass. -_-'
is it just me or is this what people say when they realize they are too dumb to continue debating?

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do you know how long on average it takes to adopt? 5 years. 5 years of filling out paper work and going through lawyers.

i saw a story on 20/20 about a family who waited 13 fliping years to get their adopted child. 13 YEARS! the dude was fliping 17 by the time the papers went through.

yes, there are "thousands upon thousands". but think... how many want YOU? are they looking for a child, or are they looking for a child based on hight, weight, race, age, and so on. because i've seen a documentary stating that white children get adopted quicker then minoritys. now, think which race is the richest. white people, no? now, think which economic demographic has more abortions. minorities, no? now, if we were all to give them up for addoption, there would be many more minority children then white children, where the children are on the top of the list.

not only that, but just how there are "thousands of thousands" of applicable parents, there is (as stated in the census 94,000 children needing a home. now, if we were all to give up abortions, (there is 1,200,000 fetuses aborted every year) the number would be 1,294,000 children waiting for lets say- 10,000 parents to give them a look.

thats a 12:1 ratio, there are 12 children waiting for adoption for ever 1 person looking to adopt.

still think we all have a place to go to when we are put into adoption?

umm vf some families take home more then one :P so it doesn't matter if it doesn't add up a family consist of more then one child per family and as for minorities being wanted less thats not true for some families intentionally want a white baby but after spending time with a black or hispanic baby get attached so minority babies do get adopted just as much

and as for the time consumming of taking up to 5 years and stuff not really it all depends on what agencey u go through and stuff and thats y u start before the babys even born and while the paper works being finalized the baby or kid thats being adopted is already living with their adopted parents so ur 5 year statment doesn't really matter yes adoption papers take 5 years to complete but during the process of it the kids already living a good life with the adopted family

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so it doesn't matter if it doesn't add up a family consist of more then one child per family and as for minorities being wanted less thats not true for some families intentionally want a white baby but after spending time with a black or hispanic baby get attached so minority babies do get adopted just as much

oh REALLY? show me some articals, or proof. because seems to me you are just reporting what you THINK is what is happening and not on what you know.

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WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. you CANNOT live with someone before they legally adopt you. you CANNOT fill out an addoption for for a person who is not born yet.

PLEASE, quit making up facts and start giving some PROOF.