Joe, could you type up your whole attacks list and upload it to Mallarky or something? I want a POINT-COUNTERPOINT SKILL VS. SKILL DEBATE, not a, "I'll toss out what I want, and make everybody else wait until I feel like showing more," deal. This way that I propose is the ONLY way that this debate can possibly end.

Joe, just post your list and I'll post mine.

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Interesting list, Nantuko. Looks like someone did his homework. But, still, don't think you've won just because you've got a list of attacks that the dbz people use.

Why don't you sf fans stop frontin you dbz would destroy sf nuff said. Can a mod or admin delete or close theis topic now. :hmmm:

[quote]Ayatsuri no Majyutsu (Mind Control)
First used by: Bibidi
Color: N/A
Type: Other
This is the technique Babidi (and Bibidi) used to control anyone with evil in there heart. The "victim" gets an incredible energy boost, but can't help but do whatever Babidi says. Vegeta was able to not be fully controlled because of his pride, he would not allow himself to become a slave to anyone else

The series means jack-$hit...the manga says nothing of the sort. Babidi has a weak physical strength but very powerful magics. And it does not take time to control the victim, they're under control immediately.

And Dabura was ALWAYS under full control, and was controlled permanently. Vegeta, on the otherhand, was not fully controlled. This is ONLY because he said his pride would not allow him to become a slave, and nothing else (not 1/2 good, 1/2 evil; not too strong, but too prideful.

We're using ALL the DBZ characters, whether they're dead or alive or a frog at the end of DBZ: this is a battle between ALL the DBZ characters and ALL of the SF characters, so even characters who are dead (or about to die) in the SF storyline are allowd in this debate.

And all Ginyu has to do is the same body change: Punch a hole through his heart...do the change (if he changes with Gill, it's pretty much over) and destroy him.

And he doesn't need time to adjust to a new body: that was only in Goku's case because of Goku's body. Other bodies require no time to get used to.

The only two Buus in this debate are Kid Buu and Fat Buu...and we're talking about the Fat Buu that Kid Buu spit out near the end of DBZ...not the Fat Buu that made friends with Mr. Sataan and expelled his evil to form Thin Buu. Both Kid and Fat Buus have the Henka Beam ability...and both can use it to their advantages. The "real" Fat Buu can't be manipulated.

And I'm guessing you have nothing to say about the Kienzan...

If you're absorbed by Buu...you can't escape. When Buu absorbs someone, they go into a coma-like trance and are trapped inside cocoons inside of Buu. SSJ2 Vegetto was never truly absorbed: not only was it because of his strength, but he had seen the absorption before and figured out how to form a barrier to stop himself from being absorbed, which is why he was able to roam freely inside of Buu's insides. If they've never seen the absorbing before, and don't know how to form the barrier, there's no way to escape.

None of the SFers have ever seen the attack. They wouldn't know what it is, and prolly wouldn't know until it's too late.

And if it landed on their clothes, they don't know it turns ppl to stone. They wouldn't know until it was too late. Gohan knew to remove his glove because he'd seen the attack before, and knew that it turned ppl to stone. If the SFers don't know what the attack is, they can't remove the clothes quick enough, because they won't know they're turning to stone.

Plus, if he uses this after someone uses a Taiyoken, they won't see the attack and be able to dodge it.

How would a loud boom distract the Z fighters? Guile would be too busy holding his eyes (like EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO'S EVER BEEN HIT BY THE TAIYOKEN HAS DONE) to form a Sonic Boom, and even if he did, he wouldnt' know where to aim it. Plus, it takes longer than that to recover from a Taiyoken to be able to fly away and know where yer going.

But a loud boom won't distract the Z fighters...that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They would all be blinded, and the Z fighters would take advantage and attack.

He evaded it the second time around. If Roshi used it agianst an SFer, he wouldn't know what the hell it was. And once they're asleep, there's nothing they can do. It all rides on putting them to sleep.

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]If SF, and DB fought(and on ground), who would win?

Post why you think each would win(and don't say dumb things like, "because gOkU cAnZ detrsoZ dA uNIverz"), back up your evidence also.[/quote]
ok i've seen this before but the z fighters would win any time cuz of speed,streath, and they can fly

[quote:post_uid0="iori"][quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]If SF, and DB fought(and on ground), who would win?

Post why you think each would win(and don't say dumb things like, "because gOkU cAnZ detrsoZ dA uNIverz"), back up your evidence also.[/quote]
ok i've seen this before but the z fighters would win any time cuz of speed,streath, and they can fly[/quote]
In the future, before making a post like that, read any previous pages you may find. I know it's a lot to read, but it saves me from having to write posts like this

Well when I said "Guile would use his sonic boom as a distraction". I meant he would just aim it somewhere........You know you can't really see a sonic boom....I was thinking on those terms.... Besides the DBZ fighters might think that sound could be another warrior arriving for the SFers....but your right that was a foolish thought.

Oh here is another thing...Not all the SFers or DBZ fighters would work together,but this is a "What if kinda battle".

And not all the DBZ ighters know what kinda assualt the SF fighters will bring into the battle either.

(Umm it's common sense to dodge spit....I think Piccolo,and Kurruin(Sorry for misspelling) where foolish to let spit hit them.)

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Well when I said "Guile would use his sonic boom as a distraction". I meant he would just aim it somewhere........You know you can't really see a sonic boom....I was thinking on those terms.... Besides the DBZ fighters might think that sound could be another warrior arriving for the SFers....but your right that was a foolish thought.

Oh here is another thing...Not all the SFers or DBZ fighters would work together,but this is a "What if kinda battle".

And not all the DBZ ighters know what kinda assualt the SF fighters will bring into the battle either.

(Umm it's common sense to dodge spit....I think Piccolo,and Kurruin(Sorry for misspelling) where foolish to let spit hit them.)[/quote]
True...normally Ryu and Akuma, and Goku and Cell would not be fighting on the same side, but we already rid the debate of any personality problems that would affect the battle.

And if Dabura's spit was shot after a Taiyoken...they can't know it's coming and they'd get affected.

I wish I had a list of SF attacks then I could perhaps reply with better reasoning.

Taiyoken is the flashing attack, right? Why doesn't someone just... "reflect" the flash?

(Page two? You guys really let yourselves go.)

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Taiyoken is the flashing attack, right? Why doesn't someone just... "reflect" the flash?

(Page two? You guys really let yourselves go.)[/quote]
Reflect Taiyoken? Um, no?

Taiyoken reflects DIRECT SUNLIGHT off of the user's hands, increases the brightness, and flashes it into an entire area. You can't close your eyes in time, and you sure as hell CAN'T reflect it or block it. It moves the speed of light (since it IS light) and NOTHING in DBZ or SF can move anywhere near that fast.

A Taiyoken would blind the SFers, leaving them open to pretty much any and all attacks in the DBZ inventory, including a Triple/Quadruple Kamehameha, henka beam from Buu, Final flash or big bang, burning attack, any attack in the DBZ inventory.

umm... my oppinion on this is that the dbz ppl, are kinda dum. i mean "Oh my god!!! cell is going into perfect state!!!! destroy him vegeta!!!"
"no. i want a good fight"
*vegeta gets crashed by cell's power*

and in this different one, when gohan is doing a kameyameya wave at cell, and cell is doing the same thing, and they are booth lokedin never ending struggle to see who has a greater power, the other dbz fighters are just standing there like idiots. dont you think it would be good if one of the started fireing at cell, to destract them?

im not saying they are stupid, just full of them selves.


this brings me to a different question...... who would win from X-Men Vs Street Fighter Vs Dragon Ball Z!?!?!?!?

That is a good point, Virtual. That is pretty much the quick glance of their battles. However, that goes along with the personality traits, and those were thrown away.

And is it a lengthy attack, Nantuko? Or is it just a split second type of thing?



Edited By Roll on Jan. 25 2003 at 18:45

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]That is a good point, Virtual. That is pretty much the quick glance of their battles. However, that goes along with the personality traits, and those were thrown away.

And is it a lengthy attack, Nantuko? Or is it just a split second type of thing?[/quote]
No offense Roll, but have you ever seen DBZ?

Taiyoken goes as follows:

THe user jumps up in front of the sun, fans his fingers in front of his face, yells "Taiyoken!" ("Solar Flare" in english), and the entire sky is lit up by a bright flash of light (it's pretty much the intensity of the sun, magnified, and shone DIRECTLY into the enemies' eyes. You can't dodge it. YOu can't stop it.

I told you before, I only saw a few episodes. I never saw anyone use the Taiyoken. I already understood the effects of it, but, once again, is it a lengthy attack or not?

i think db even on ground with out specials have you ever seen how fast they go goku could go super saiyan 3 and have a ki level of 78,000,000 and u guys got to no sf and dbz were based upon the same fightting techniche usd in japan ki. just sf is a little more realistic you can actually find out yure ki lvl i seen it once i forget how and average adultski level is 5-7 ki
in dbz a z fighters ki in the buu stage even krillin (the weakes z fighter and strongest human) had a ki lvl of about 25,000,000 (half as much as cell) and in street fighter there ki lvls cant even match krillin only akuma could beat krillin.

i say streetfighter because i love street fighter and has cool styles

na.... its dbz, even though dbz ppl are kinda...... dum.....


but sf ppl will fight with skill, not just brute force. in dbaz, its who is stronger.... in sf, its whoever has the most techneuiqe

man this is a no contest.

dbz would own all street fighters. just look how fast they fight. and they can fly. so street fighter doesnt stand a chance :laughlong:

[quote:post_uid0="Yugi"]i think db even on ground with out specials have you ever seen how fast they go goku could go super saiyan 3 and have a ki level of 78,000,000 and u guys got to no sf and dbz were based upon the same fightting techniche usd in japan ki. just sf is a little more realistic you can actually find out yure ki lvl i seen it once i forget how and average adultski level is 5-7 ki
in dbz a z fighters ki in the buu stage even krillin (the weakes z fighter and strongest human) had a ki lvl of about 25,000,000 (half as much as cell) and in street fighter there ki lvls cant even match krillin only akuma could beat krillin.[/quote]
Yugi, no offense, but never mention ki levels again. SSJ3 Goku's powerlevel was over 6x higher than what you just put him at. And Kuririn never had a "ki level" of 25 million. He never reaches 100 thousand. Personally, I don't think you have ANY idea of what yer talking about.

yeah, i still rembember when vegeta was astounded that goku had a ki level of 12,000 or something :shocked:

NOW I start my research. Ack! College sucks...

[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]i say streetfighter because i love street fighter and has cool styles[/quote]
Ahh I just now notice how retarded my earlier posts were (and this one too). Just wanted to say, you won't get anywhere in persuasion using your opinion, you need to validate things with facts, many people could care less if you love Street Fighter or not. Heh, don't want to intrude on your debate

Trust me, Scorponok. It was either you, or Nantuko that would have used an entire post to talk about that. I'm glad it was you (no offence Nantuko, but you know why I am saying this ^.~).

i got the power lvls from some sight it stunk but that what it said.
sorry fo da mistakes i was tired real tired . and db would win cuz it was wrote that tey are strongest in the universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe
universe universe universe universe universe universe universe
(sirry, igot carried away in the echoes)

and could they use brolly cuz hes in dbz but only movies.

DB SUX STREETFIGHTER ALL DA WAY

[quote:post_uid0="coolplayer2K2"]DB SUX STREETFIGHTER ALL DA WAY[/quote]
Brace yourselves for Nankunto's flaming, you say you're not a noob

Ok, I'll counter your Taiyoken from at least one character with this next one, which will do the exact same effect.

Rose.

Rose has a specific attack that reflects any and all types of projectiles, no matter how strong or fast or wide or low. The Aura Soul Spark is her trump card. During the attack (particularly when she swings her scarf) she has the ability to reflect any Projectile (includiong a Flash of light) attack back at the opponent, or stop physical attacks (Obviously) while at the same time adding the force of the Soul Spark. It is proven, and said in the book "All about Capcom" which is the official capcom handbook.

(My friend borrowed the book for me, but I had to return it before I could find anything that could prove anything about Gill...Sorry Dan.)



Edited By Roll on Jan. 30 2003 at 23:45

Of course she can do that! Why wouldn't she? She could also use her soul illusion to add on to the effect and make it way more effective.