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Street Fighter. Easily. 'Nuff said.
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Dan: not neccessarily. We've seen Goku do a Kamehameha within seconds. They may not have been his most powerful ones, but he did them never the less.
I'm sure it takes Gill atleast a few seconds to do his Seraphic wing attack. |
Yes, but those very seconds only allow a weaker state for the Kamehameha. And unfortunately for you guys, the Seraphic Wing is instantaneous.
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Gill's signature move....
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SBYRD5 LIVES! HE LIVES!!!
Yes, it is his signature move, and it is unstoppable when it starts. |
1. Lets get those d@mn temperatures out of this debate. Buu said that he had absorbed all of the planets he destroyed...or their power, right? I'm sure he did the same for some stars, which are infinitely hot...just about. If the "Z" fighters were strong enough to eliminate Buu, and they are, then they can sureley handle the temperature of a mere star. Those ki attacks aren't necessarily room temperature.
2. Sepharic Wing may be instantaneous, but couldn't they avoid it? Is it extremely close to the speed of light? What is the range of it? What makes you think that all of the "Z" fighters would be in one big huddle ready to die all at once? That defies any strategy...and if they were, their combined power should be able to create a barrier capable of deflecting any attack. 3. Well, does Gill have anything else up his sleeves? Letss fuse and destroy his body, thus eliminating him from the debate. Well, that was you trump card... Unless you can come up with anything else,- Debate over!!! Winner: DB"Z"!!! |
Give me a break. He said he had a bit of the energy of every planet with him, not every planet piece.
Gotenks, Seraphic Wing CAN'T be avoided. It is an expansive barrier that hits EVERYTHING around him. 'Nuff said. |
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As soon as he does it, it covers the entire area. Play SFIII and find out. Also, its range is unlimited because it is energy expanding, and it carries some beam properties like that.
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Gill, being a deity, will prolly want to see what Goku's Kamehameha is (or not, and may or may not begin the battle with the Seraph). Goku begins charging the Kamehameha, and Gill unleashes the Seraph Wing. As his barrier expands, Goku Shunkan Idous inside the barrier, away from harm, and behind Gill to finish off his Warp kamehameha. The Kamehameha destroys (or cripples) Gill's current body, allowing for his destruction at the hands of anybody, really. And no matter what, if Gill's Seraph Wing expands in ALL directions, then it also kills off the weaker DBZ characters and the weaker SF characters. Then the energy of the Seraph wing, since it continues to expand in all directions with unlimited range, kills everybody on earth and prolly destroys the earth itself. Without earth, there's no atmosphere. Without atmosphere, the body cannot survive. Gill's body dies, and the fight ends in a draw. |
Joe, you seriously SHOULD play SFIII. If you did, you would discover that it IS a rapidly-expanding barrier, but it is MANY, MANY, MANY CONTINUOUS barriers. Goku can't teleport inside, because all that area is within attack range of the Seraphic Wing still.
Also, Joe, whatever happened to keeping personality out of it? This said, in this situation Gill wouldn't care about the Kame Hame Ha. Also, I said that it CAN expand infinitely, but that doesn't mean that Gill can't stop it. In addition, I thought we were going to leave planet-wide destruction out of this... isn't that on page 1 of the debate? |
You indirectly brought up planet-wide destruction. If the Seraph Wing has enough power to kill a Buu-saga level Goku, than it WILL destroy earth, no question about it. If it expands infinately in ALL directions, it WILL hit earth, and earth WILL explode. Therefore, if you wanna leave earth destroying out of this debate, yer gonna have to eliminate the Seraph Wing.
I've got you cornered now, mwahahaha! |
No I don't. The Kame Hame Ha can destroy the earth, and you still use it in the debate. Planet-wide destruction is left out of this debate. Just act like the ground is indestructible or something. This is a fight between CHARACTER ABILITIES AND STRENGTHS, not blowin' planets up and suffocating yourself.
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EDIT: hold on a sec, I just saw that "indestructible ground" thing after I posted...
Well, first off, I'm not gonna run out and buy SFIII just to win this debate. If you can get me a few screenshots of the Seraph Wing, that would be helpful. Also, how many expandable barriers does the Seraph Wing produce? And he can launch it INSTANTLY, as in one instant, it's peace and quiet, and the next INSTANT, everybody's dead? |
First off, he can either take his time with it or he can launch it instantaneously. Also, it can either be around 34 barriers (when he doesn't try) or he can do it almost indefinitely using millions of barriers.
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And is this attack designed to be like a one-hit-KO in the games, or merely a Super/Special/Hyper attack (like Shinkuu Hadouken)?
Furthermore, does Gill appear in Street Fighter 3 or Street Fighter Alpha 3? |
Street Fighter III series, and it is a Super, and it leaves less than 5% of their life after it executes. Gill isn't trying in SFIII. He could obliterate everything if he wanted to try, kind of like how Ryu would never stand a chance against Akuma if Akuma were to try.
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So, according to the Street Fighter rules, Gill would have to build up some energy before launching the SW, he cannot launch it instantly at the beginning of the battle, which would give the Z fighters a bit of time to manage a defense
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Actually, he can, because he doesn't need to build up power in the actual story.
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Yeah Dan, is there a way you can get a vid shot of Gill doing the Seraphic Wing, and also Meteor shower? Make sure you do the Seraphic Wing on crouching Akuma(it totally kills all his life).
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Hrmm...I gotta think about this...
Gill can launch an infinate amount of one-hit-kill blasts an infinite number of times without EVER running out of energy due to tiredness or stress...hrmm...this might be tougher to counter than I thought... |
I'll try to get vids, but it'll be hard. I don't know if I have access to the equipment anymore.
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omg this is still here. :eh:
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Okay, I figured out a solution just as my comp was shutting down yesterday, but was too impatient to wait for my comp to restart.
If someone (Kuririn, Tien, or Goku) uses the Taiyoken "Solar Flare" prior to Gill's launch of the Seraph Wing, it will blind Gill, and leave Gill helpless for a minute, enough time for Goku to power up a Kamehameha and blast Gill. Hell, with Gill blinded, Goku and Gohan can powerup a Kamehameha, Tien can powerup a Shinkikoho, Vegeta his Final Flash, and Goten and Trunks can fuse into SSJ3 Gotenks and use his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack. But IMO, just Kamehameha and Final Flash (or Biku Bang)should be enough to destroy Gill's body before he recovers from the Taiyoken. |
... except we already covered that Seraphic Wing has no charge time. Even blinded he can pull it off. He doesn't need to see to hit people.
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However, as we are shown in DBZ, the blindness caused by the Taiyoken also causes extreme pain, and the victims are helpless, blind or not. Take Cell for example. He used his Taiyoken to blind everybody so he could absorb android 18. Now, even though everyone was blind, a few of them still could have used their own attacks. Kuririn, though blind, could have jumped up in the air and used his own Taiyoken to blind Cell in return, but he was in too much pain to do so.
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Joe, stare at the sun for a second and you'll understand. It isn't pain, but just not being able to see.
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Um...i've done that before. I can stare at the sun for quite some time before I have to turn my eyes away. It's not that bad.
The Taiyoken takes the sunlight, magnifies it, and reflects it into one giant burst of light that blinds anyone close to it. It's like staring into the intensity of ten suns. Go back and watch/read the Cell Saga, after Cell used the Taiyoken, everybody was in extreme pain, and they were still blind even after the pain wore off... |
No, they were just blind. Let me rephrase... be blinded by a light once in your life and you will understand.
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[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]No, they were just blind. Let me rephrase... be blinded by a light once in your life and you will understand.[/quote]
I HAVE been blinded before. Let me use an example: You know when you wake up in the morning (or at night), and it's still dark, and you flip on the switch to go to the bathroom, and the light blinds you and it hurts? The Taiyoken is like a hundred times stronger than that. Another example: Wearing night vision goggles in the dark, and someone flips on a light. Taiyoken is worse than that. When Cell used his Taiyoken, the warriors were not only blind, they were in extreme pain. If they were only blind, they would have been like "Damn! I'm blind! Let's run away!" Or, ppl like Kuririn and Vegeta are able to sense where ki is located without using their eyes (Goku can too), so they'd be able to fight fairly well for their condition while blind. Did they? No, instead they were all writhing in pain, holding their faces. |
Then Gill can just say, "Ugh! This hurts! I'm gonna kill everything!" and it is so.
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God damn, you people stare at the sun? I thought you were all mental, but wow. :eek:
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[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]Then Gill can just say, "Ugh! This hurts! I'm gonna kill everything!" and it is so.[/quote]
Gyahh! That's not the point! Go back and watch the ep where Cell uses the Taiyoken! Or go and read the manga where Cel luses the Taiyoken! In the first few moments, they are 100% HELPLESS until the pain wears off, and remain blind for a good long time. Gill would be in pain for I'm guessing about 10 seconds, giving Goku enough time to powerup a Kamehamha, and Vegeta enough time to powerup a Final Flash, and Gotenks enough time to launch some Super Ghosts, etc... And even IF you beat me on this particular Taiyoken-debate, I've still got a couple of other plots up my sleeve... |
They're helpless if they aren't a GOD. Gill's been alive for... well, God only knows how long, and he'd know when to pull out Seraphic Wing. If DBZ tried to pull out Taiyoken, he'd just respond with Seraphic Wing when he was blinded. They aren't HELPLESS... they can still do non-specific target attacks like Seraphic Wing.
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??? :laugh: shame full dont u know its all just a crap cartoon
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You have two choices.
1. Shut the hell up and get out of this topic. 2. Get out of this topic and shut the hell up. Make your choice. |
Dan, why are you so defensive? He's just stating a fact. Why should you worry what someone says about such a stupid debate pertaining to imaginary people.
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it's stupid cause you don't care about these things. well, there are some of us that do, and if you think it's stupid, then just let us continue being stupid then and mind your own business
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prince vegetas right if u dont like this topic and think its dumb dont reply then theres no war
but then again the way u said it is being silly |
...I thought I told you to cut off the camera...
Dan, Kami is the "god" of earth right? Do you think he can take a Taiyoken? No...Even supernatural beings are affected by those attacks, as long as they have a physical body to take damage. Gill has a physical body, so certain attacks can render him helpless. Taiyoken attacks pretty much everyone's weakness causing a tremendous amount of pain, no matter who you are. |
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