marriage is religious whether you like it or not

so if two homos want to get together then they will have to call it somthing else

.........
i am afraid to say but it's not my bussiness....ppl like to get into others private lives...it's wrong don't do it! etc.
even if they couldn't marry they could stay together and
all and be "against the bible" all the same...it's hard to define love...you love your parents,friends,etc. and then
there is someone you truly love...someone you couldn't live without...a "soul" mate if ya will....and no matter what you two will do anything to stay together....

simple put it's not my bussiness what sam-sex couples do...it's basicaly a religion on it's own and it's a free country...despite what you say...."freedom of religion"
so meh....
and you also have the right to say bad things about them,it's a free country...

oh and LESBIONS HATE MEN 100% so you want bisexual women....:shocked:

[quote:post_uid0="HELLOTHERE"]Well im not saying I approve of gay marriges or lesbian marriges but it is not their fought they're gay or lesbian. My teacher told us about this. He said it's not what they choose to be because it's genetic. It's nasty, but you shouldn't judge people just because of their genetic material.[/quote]
Just wanted Elena and everyone who is against it to read my last post! If it was so bad in the "bible" then why did mary have sex with her family to have Jesus!



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 26 2004 at 19:49

[quote:post_uid0="HELLOTHERE"][quote:post_uid0="HELLOTHERE"]Well im not saying I approve of gay marriges or lesbian marriges but it is not their fought they're gay or lesbian. My teacher told us about this. He said it's not what they choose to be because it's genetic. It's nasty, but you shouldn't judge people just because of their genetic material.[/quote]
Just wanted Elena and everyone who is against it to read my last post! If it was so bad in the "bible" then why did mary have sex with her family to have Jesus![/quote]
I'm sorry that's retarded being gay is not genetic just like being an achololic is not genetic...they just have weird feelings for the same sex...

and who did Mary have sex with um in the bible an angel approcahed her and said that God was going to give her a child which would be the savior...who the hell did she do it with she was a Virgin....

Not from what I heard? She had sex with her brother from what I heard. I know everyone has their own opinions. You might even know this but someone in your family might be gar for what anyone knows. But since you said it retarted im guessing it could mean thousands including people in your family must be retarded. Also your friends might be retarted! They probably wont ever tell you they are gay. And care to prove me wrong not genetic...Would I believe my teacher whos has more knowledge than all ofus or someone who doesnt believe that people who are born different should be treaten like a slave.

Like i said everyone has their own opinions but dont you think that is as bad as being prejudice and racist.

It is cruel to rip people of the pride because they are born different. Everyone is different in their own way.

Also if people dont become gay from genetic material where does it come from. How do you think animals reproduce? Because the genetic material tells the material in the male in female animals. But not all of them have that material. Same with humans.

Yall are going to be around people you dont know is gay so deal with it!



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 26 2004 at 20:13

First of all I know some gay ppl and i have nothing against them

Second of all I said that it's retarded that you think that you think that the though of ppl liking ppl of the same sex comes from genetics is retarded...not the ppl...idiot you should read my post more carefully

third, from what you heard you think she had sex with one of her brothers...tell me who the hell told you this...as

I'm not against gay ppl in general i'm just against them marrying because to me it is wrong...

and where did you get this pride poop from who is messing with their pride...

only if the 2 ladies are hot.

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Well, comma most ppl when they are truly in love they will want to show it by marrying you...and usally when a girl wants to settle down she might want to marry you...so to avoid this you might have to go in and out of relationships avoiding it...and i recommend you stay away from marriages because when you marry anyone in any religon but you don't belive in it then i call it a fake marriage...ur wife might of been dressed up and you might of been in a tux and there might of been a priest but if you don't believe in the religion then to me the wedding is fake...I hope you got what i was saying[/quote]
Whoa hold up..I never said I dont believe in religion...sure I may be a christian..but for now, the bible and such has no real importance in my life..but maybe later on in my life I will accept some of its teachings. As for marrige, well yes..I will accept it definately before then, especially if the girl I choose to marry is heavy on religion..
But wasnt the bible "written" over 1000 years ago..people change, I dont think we can base our lives entirely on it anymore..I think we need to accept people for who they are.

I think we should close this topic. It's bringing to much debate it actually kinda turning into arguements.

No, don't try and run away...you said what you said nowback up and answer my question.

Next thing you will probably say is: 'I'm not running away'

Were all going to burn in hell anyway....yidda yidda...

I guess everyone should live THERE LIVES by THERE TERMS....

It really doesn't matter to much anymore people die every......what omg.......min.......if it's a homicide.......14 min.s for suicide....etc.(That might not be correct but you should feel my message)

If I were to die without commiting my life to the person I LOVED......I'm under this understanding of myself my life would then actually be a waste....

Then again asking for a <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>MARRIAGE UNDER GOD CAN NEVER BE ALOUD</span>.

It can't be aloud.....but you know I'm looking at this from a none religion point of view.

I think that homosexuals feel the way they do because of insecurities in themselves. Basicily I think guys and girls resort to the same sex due to there doubt in them selves to be pleased by the other sex.Most of the time if you actually talk to a Carpet Eater.....Soap dropper.....mehhh what ever.

It's because of life experiences.....I bet on my life that the majority of homosexual males were rapped as childern or as adults or never could get girls to court with them,or were never fully excepted among there male peers.So in a moment of grief they decide on Homosexuality.......then they discover there is no shyness or a feeling of discomfort around your on sex.

Then a feeling of "This is how love is suppose to feel". runs through there minds then they decide this is there life style.

I think honestily if everyone wasn't as cruel....or had a lack ofunderstanding(You call this ignorance among society) in this society of now and even of yore. We could really have progress....

I was always told during my time in football camps...sports camps,etc. That a persons worth as a man or a woman is determined by there mental and physical attempt at life.

I guess what I'm aiming for in this post is....<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>LIFE IS A BIOTCH</span> and some how you just have to make the best out of it.Some people take it to the level of this topic others....just make simple rants about Michael Jackson around there kids.... :eh:...... :turn:



Edited By SBYRD5 on Feb. 27 2004 at 13:23

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]No, don't try and run away...you said what you said nowback up and answer my question.

Next thing you will probably say is: 'I'm not running away'[/quote]
Ok now you are making me mad. I left this topic to not get into a flame war but your are pushing me.


I'm not runnning away! If I ever run away it would be me running away from home to hang you by your neck! Don't you dfare tell me im running away when you still havent answered me!!!!!

You still havent told me that being gay isnt genetic?

God damn im not having a good day and I dont need you making it worse! i never seen people such obstinate people.

See what i tell you...'I'm not running away'

Oh and now ur threathing me...First of all for you to hang me you would have to do a lot of work...first you'd have to catch me then u'll have to make it thur my 2 brothers then my momma who don't take sheit....but anyways....

It's not genetic because if it was it would have to do with genes. Genes such as DNA...DNA tell ur body what color eyes you will have...how ur child will LOOK like...skin color...hand size...hair...and so on basicly physical features. It has nothing to do on how you will think...now unless you are saying being gay is a disorder then i can see that happening but it is not a disorder because that would mean you are saying every gay person is sick...You wouldn't want to say that would you?

And the only reason you wanted me to explain it because you didn't know how to...

I'm pushing you...haha don't you have ur own free will...

Oh and Stubborn is my middle name...

first i didnt threaten you. i never said im going to your house to kill you right now, did? Im really not trying to get into this right now. Im trying to not to get angry but you are trying to piss me arnt you. Im not suprise that your middle name is stubborn. you know what. go outside and shove a twig up your flat ass. and i hope when you die noone cares. and then ill come dig up your grave and hire someone to rape your stupid, deadass body!

Edit: and guess what f.uck you and the bible you follow!



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 27 2004 at 17:21

I hate debating with immature ppl...and remember the bads things you wish on someone else just might happen to you...

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]I hate debating with immature ppl...and remember the bads things you wish on someone else just might happen to you...[/quote]
Immature! i tried to leave the topic but then you say running away from my problems! Who does that make the immature person? you!!!!!!!!!



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 27 2004 at 17:26

[quote:post_uid0="HELLOTHERE"]first i didnt threaten you. i never said im going to your house to kill you right now, did? Im really not trying to get into this you know what. go outside and shove a twig up your flat ass. and i hope when you die noone cares. and then ill come dig up your grave and hire someone to rape your stupid, deadass body!

Edit: and guess what f.uck you and the bible you follow![/quote]
Do you ever think a mature grown-up who could control his temper would ever do what is above?

My therory is don't join a debate which you don't have enough facts on or ifur just gonna leave when the going gets tough....and again if you tried to leave y did you come back again i say...HAVE YOU ANY FREEWILL?

Oh and just so you know if you don't like my religon then don't talk bad about it because for all you know it could be real...

Don't post something immature again...



Edited By Elena on Feb. 27 2004 at 18:04

i couldnt agree with you more Elena

I was trying to be cool about this trying to let it pass. (like a mature person) but a mature person doesnt try and get someone ticked off do they? I tried to leave without having to many things happening but you started the fight with "I bet you he is running away s.hit. Your are not acting mature, your acting like a smartass. I tried to finish the argurement like a responsible person would do but you continued to keep going at it. And this is why im flaming you right now. I havent not been disrepectful to you until the comment of yours. And you know it. First I thought we were debating like for fun between members of the community. But then the way you disrespected me and my opinions. Thats how this arguement started. I really would like this arguement to end without any rude comments and settle this like responsible people. Now, you can continue this pointless flaming or pretend this never happened. Your choice......



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 27 2004 at 20:16

act maturly. if youdont A.Mods will have the offenders head
B. Topic will be closed

so behave :angry:

You became angry after i called what you teacher said was genetic stupid....then i explained it to you then you talked about hanging me....and what not....did you not read anything i said....

Oh and it wasn't ur opinon it was ur teacher's....

And if you had any free will you would stop coming in here trying to prove me wrong calling me immature...poop i might be immature but i never threatened you until you did i just called ur teacher's idea of the though of gay comes from genetic retarded then you read it wrong and said i called the ppl retarded...

I'm not flaming you i'm trying to prove you wrong you asked me y being gay is not genetic and you go crazy...wow...i knew you would say 'I'm not running away' and you get angry again...

Oh and i think i have 2 middle names smartass stuborn oh and cocky i guess its 3....


And could anyone but hellothere answer me...who became 'immature' and who went off topic first....

Be truthful

HELLOTHERE AGAIN I TELL THE REASON I GOT MAD BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO LEAVE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU YOU WANTED TO BE MATURE, BUT IF YOU REALLY WERE MATURE YOU WOULD NOT RESPOND...I had to make it caps so you would see..you seem blind...or u are only reading what you want to read

...im well spechless...
on with the debate!

It doesnt mater who started it but why it was started.

your comment that started:






my opinions

the out cause of the comments:



Now tell me why I shouldnt get mad? And since you did not answer my agreement im guessing you dont want to finish this fighting so.....



Edited By HELLOTHERE on Feb. 27 2004 at 21:11

First of all, sexuality has nothing to do with genetics. The only thing that genetics have any effects on, are your physical features, and what you're allergic to, and immune to, etc. Sexuality stems from mentality, which sounds bad at first, but I assure you that it is not. Sexuality changes or becomes what it is, because of what people become accustomed to, how they are raised, who they've seen, what they've come to like, and how they've come to act. Before you get into this argument any further, please understand that fact.

Second of all, if you both have different religions, then this argument will go nowhere at all. Different religions have different beliefs and teachings, and you cannot always expect to see the same thing everywhere. However, if you have the same religion, or if HELLO doesn't believe in a religion (partially or completely), then you cannot expect him to know what he is talking about right away.
HELLO, in the christian Bible, Mary was a Virgin, and she only recieved a baby because Angela said God would give her one, which would be their savior. She had never done anything to get the child yet. Whatever you had heard, was not from the Christian Bible, and I would advise you to read into it a little more before you continue a conversation like this.

So, technically speaking, neither one of you has the right to get mad. HELLO, this applies more towards you than it does Elena.

Elena, I do have something to say. Marriage, to me and perhaps many others, is an oath to love someone. It does not matter about ceremonies, or clothes, or who you're oath is with. It is just a promise of an eternal love bond between the two people that get married. So, please understand when I say that I do not ever believe in marriage to be religious. It stems from my own belief that love is all over the place, and needs no written confession or consent to happen.

lesbians r sinners(gay marrage to)..

how??well.. in the beginning God created Man and Women! not woman and woman and not man and man! :biggrin:

well this is my last post in here.

Gay places might open where you live so everyone who oppose DEAL WITH IT.

If there was anything that this topic has served to be able to teach everyone, it's that religious beliefs that are placed in a debate can become highly dangerous. I would hope no one else says something of the same calibur, assuming that they hope to keep the forum calm.

and that's why i said this topic should be locked. this topic is going to erupt into nothing but a flame-war...

However, the topic is something that must be talked about, and the voices must be heard. Certain precautions must be taken before journeying into a debate like this, many of which have a lot to do with the state of mind. If you cannot look at what everyone one has to say, and understand what they had said, then you will be the match to begin the fire.

i think the lesbian marrage thing is now cancel.. i think no more can get marrage! :biggrin:

[quote:post_uid14="Roll"]However, the topic is something that must be talked about, and the voices must be heard. Certain precautions must be taken before journeying into a debate like this, many of which have a lot to do with the state of mind. If you cannot look at what everyone one has to say, and understand what they had said, then you will be the match to begin the fire.[/quote:post_uid14]
well, yeah, but some people on here may START the fire, and thats what i'm worried about. But if we can all have a dibate like the civilized, mature people we all are ( well, at least some ofus are :biggrin: ) then this topic could stay open.



Edited By akuma_forever on Feb. 27 2004 at 23:44

well topic closed this has become a relgios flame-fest.

Conclusion=Gay marrage is wrong!