LMAO!! this thread is getting to be too funny

has it ever occured to you that maybe the aliens are so much more advanced than us, that they've studied us for millions of years and we have no means of detecting them?

the possibilities of aliens in the universe is almost infinite (you do the math). it is more than likely that there are aliens in this universe. but, of course there is always that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000001% possibility that there aren't any other life forms in the universe.

so, it's all theoretical, but logically theoretical

cool

[color=blue:post_uid3]Wow tantum well said.

Tmyappz maybe he can borrow some as a donation :lol: J?K

That is very expensive price now.

Some other coutries a lil bit cheapEr not really.

Can you say the word's I won the lotto :biggrin:[/color:post_uid3]

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]hahaha, area 51? give me a break, there might be an area 51 , but it has nothing to do with aliens.

Aliens have not come to this planet, they do not know we exist, unless they they are less than 90 light years away (detecting our radio waves) and if aliens came here in the 50's, then less than 40 years away. NOT POSSIBLE.

#1, if there are aliens ANYWHERE near us we would have found them, Using these GIGANTIC radio satilites. and there are 27 of them in a big Y formation.[/quote]
and you know this for a FACT, Tantum?

How can you say "There are definately NO other lifeforms in the universe, because even if they were millions upon millions upon millions of light years away, our satellites in a Y formation would have found them already?" That is both the biggest load of bull$hit and the funniest thing I've ever heard in a long time.

And how do you KNOW FOR A FACT that aliens don't know we exist? Are you THAT narrow-minded? You're one of the ppl that I'm talking about, the ppl that are selfish enough to think that any life forms in an INFINITE universe is only right here on earth. That's just selfish. Do you know FOR A FACT that there is no such thing as extraterrestrial life? Did god himself come down to you and say "Tantum, the only life in the universe exists only on earth."?

And how can you judge how far away aliens live if they came here during the 50s? Your sitting there saying "they have to be farther than 90 light years away, and if they came to earth in the 50s, that means they're 40 years away". What the hell does that mean? Where did you come up with THAT?

As a matter of FACT, scientists think that there may be two more planets in our solar system, both outside the orbit of even Pluto. One of them is PlanetX, and it's supposed to be larger than Jupitor. The other is supposed to be a planetoid smaller than the moon. But if scientists know as much about outer space as you say they do, why did they only discover these two things only over the past decade?

It's a scientific FACT that human beings have only studied about 1% of the night sky and outer space. Who are YOU to say that there is no life in the other 99%?

yeah, somewhat true

tantum, you are narrowminded, and cocky, lol

starting to be a lot like Luna

tantum, did you ever hear of the andromeda galaxy? its 2,000,000 light years away and can be seen with the naked eye. now tell me, is there life in that galaxy?

You guys can't even read can you? I Never said, that there was no other life in the universe, did I?

I said, that there is NO WAY they they could be close enough to detect our radio waves (less than 90 light years away), and yet, evade all of our scans.

Thus... sure there are probably other life forms out there. Have they come to Earth, no... will they? Maybe in about ten thousand years. Or then again, maybe we'll have destroyed ourselves by then. Hopefully not, but look at the way things are going right now. We need to spend our efforts cleaning up the planet, instead of just saying "Why, we can just go to another one". Because, eventually, we will run out of Planets to mine, and pollute to death.

i agree :shocked:

[quote:post_uid0="Tantum"]You guys can't even read can you? I Never said, that there was no other life in the universe, did I?

I said, that there is NO WAY they they could be close enough to detect our radio waves (less than 90 light years away), and yet, evade all of our scans.

Thus... sure there are probably other life forms out there. Have they come to Earth, no... will they? Maybe in about ten thousand years. Or then again, maybe we'll have destroyed ourselves by then. Hopefully not, but look at the way things are going right now. We need to spend our efforts cleaning up the planet, instead of just saying "Why, we can just go to another one". Because, eventually, we will run out of Planets to mine, and pollute to death.[/quote]
um... maybe they have technology far more advanced than ourselves that they are capable of observing our planet without revealing themselves. of course, it's a theory, but not totally out of the question.

[quote:post_uid1]Thus... sure there are probably other life forms out there. Have they come to Earth, no... will they? Maybe in about ten thousand years. [/quote:post_uid1]

[color=green:post_uid1]Once again, you act as if you know this for a fact. How do you KNOW that there has never been alien visitations on earth? It is entirely possible that extraterrestrial beings are responsible for many of earth's strange landmarks, such as a large majority of the crop circles on earth, Stonehenge, and the statues of Easter Island. Hell, it could have been a colony of extraterrestrials that have made Atlantis so popular. Ppl believe that the Atlantians were a technologically advanced race of humans, but it very well could have been a colony of aliens.

And about them not being able to detect our radio waves: maybe they are a hell of a lot more technologically advanced than we are. Maybe they have discovered faster-than-light capabilities. Maybe they have developed types of cloaking devices that allow them to slip by our strongest and most sensitive equipment. Hell, it is totally possible that we ourselves are the products of alien influence. Go watch the movie "Mission to Mars", and then tell me that the events that transpired there are not remotely possible.

You put too much faith in our race, Tantum. You believe that we are the ultimate beings in the universe, and that we are more technologically advanced than anything else out there. But your probably wrong, too[/color:post_uid1]

The chances that they found this planet based on any other fact, other than detecting our radio waves, are non-existant.

If they found Earth before we "conquered" the planet, they would no doubt have taken our pretty blue planet for themselves, wouldn't they?

And if they found it while we were in the early stage of development, why wouldn't they make some contact with us?

So, you're trying to tell me, that they were afraid to make contact with primitave people? Doesn't sound like an advanced alien race to me.

As for the idea that they are "watching" us, and we have no idea how to detect them, is a rather rediculous and conceited theory, don't you think? We aren't that interesting :D .

What is your obsession with radio waves? And how are the chances nonexistant? It is indeedly possible that there is some form of extraterrestrial life in a nearby galaxy that can be seen using only the weakest telescopes. Hell, scientists have also recieved odd signals coming from that galaxy, but since they didn't receive our radio waves, does that mean that they don't exist?

How would you know that? You watch too many movies. Maybe aliens and early humans are just like today, with humans studying different ecosystems and the rainforest. Maybe the aliens just wanted to observe us and study us for the time being...maybe at one point they shared the same view as you do (that there are no aliens), then went flying around and found us. However, instead of conquoring us, they studied us.

Once again, I never said they were afraid. Like I said before, they could have been merely studying us.

It is also indeedly possible that there are other aliens out there, but not yet sentinent. You can't jump to conclusions saying that our Y-formation satellites would have found aliens. Scientists believe that there is life in Io, one of Jupitor's many moons. Io is covered with a huge sheet of ice, and underneath may be water. If underneath is water, it is also possible to find simple life forms, like bacteria, some breed of sea worms, simple fish, or other creatures.

Also, scientists have found fossilized bacteria in rocks from Mars. WHich tells us that Mars once had a more tolerable atmosphere, and that life HAS existed there, but only bacterial life has been found. But it is indeedly possible that there could have been a whole race of creatures on Mars (ie, "Mission to Mars" movie)

Not that interesting? We're the only sentinent creatures on earth. Out of all the billions of species of animals that exist and have ever existed, we're the only ones with a refined means of communication, a written language, and ANY form of technology. How can you not find THAT very interesting. If I flew off and found an alien planet, I'd definately find THAT interesting. But what if the aliens themselves say the same thing? That we wouldn't want to study them 'cause they're not interesting?

We human beings find ANYTHING new or unexplained to be interesting. and I'm guessing that the same goes for any extraterrestrial life, too

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]What is your obsession with radio waves? And how are the chances nonexistant? It is indeedly possible that there is some form of extraterrestrial life in a nearby galaxy that can be seen using only the weakest telescopes. Hell, scientists have also recieved odd signals coming from that galaxy, but since they didn't receive our radio waves, does that mean that they don't exist?

How would you know that? You watch too many movies. Maybe aliens and early humans are just like today, with humans studying different ecosystems and the rainforest. Maybe the aliens just wanted to observe us and study us for the time being...maybe at one point they shared the same view as you do (that there are no aliens), then went flying around and found us. However, instead of conquoring us, they studied us.

Once again, I never said they were afraid. Like I said before, they could have been merely studying us.

It is also indeedly possible that there are other aliens out there, but not yet sentinent. You can't jump to conclusions saying that our Y-formation satellites would have found aliens. Scientists believe that there is life in Io, one of Jupitor's many moons. Io is covered with a huge sheet of ice, and underneath may be water. If underneath is water, it is also possible to find simple life forms, like bacteria, some breed of sea worms, simple fish, or other creatures.

Also, scientists have found fossilized bacteria in rocks from Mars. WHich tells us that Mars once had a more tolerable atmosphere, and that life HAS existed there, but only bacterial life has been found. But it is indeedly possible that there could have been a whole race of creatures on Mars (ie, "Mission to Mars" movie)

Not that interesting? We're the only sentinent creatures on earth. Out of all the billions of species of animals that exist and have ever existed, we're the only ones with a refined means of communication, a written language, and ANY form of technology. How can you not find THAT very interesting. If I flew off and found an alien planet, I'd definately find THAT interesting. But what if the aliens themselves say the same thing? That we wouldn't want to study them 'cause they're not interesting?

We human beings find ANYTHING new or unexplained to be interesting. and I'm guessing that the same goes for any extraterrestrial life, too[/quote]
Why are you trying to twist my words? And how do i watch too many movies? You are the one disregarding the facts, and using your imagination only.


#1) Radio Waves are the way we communicate nowadays, they are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and they move at the speed of light. So if aliens have found us, they found us by catching our waves.

#2) I DID NOT SAY THERE ARE NO ALIENS!! I said, if they came here already, they have to be somewhere near us. And if they were, chances are we would have found them. Using Radio Wave Satilites.
And why are you constantly saying Y formation, I was just explaining how they are lined up, that has nothing to do with their capabilities.

#3) Yes, there was life on mars, they are also searching for life on Europa (Jupiter's 4th largest moon), which has an atmosphere like ours, and plenty of H2O.

#4) What i mean by "not that interesting" is, if these aliens are so advanced, that we can't detect them, that they can travel at light speed, and sense us without detecting our energy waves. Why the hell would they care about such a primitive culture as ours to just sit there and watch? And not make any contact at all.

#5) If an alien spaceship really crashed in a US desert, why hasn't the government tried to copy the ship in any way shape or form?

Or, they could have been here before us. Maybe they were the ones that terraformed earth (though that's going a little extreme in this case). Maybe (just like on "Mission to Mars") they lived in our solar system, and then left, but come back every once in a while to see how we are developing. There are an infinite amount of possibilities

Then why did you mention the Y-formation in the first place? And if there IS life on Io or Europa, then according to you, our Radio Satellites would have found this life by now. Now, if there IS life on a moon of Jupitor (which is in our own solar system), that kinda screws your idea of there being nothing within 90 light years from us (or whatever you said)

Rainforest Animals. Take them for instance. They are not sentinet beings. They have no technology. In our eyes, they're "primitive", or lower than we are. Yet, we still study them. We're curious as to their way of life, how they survive in their environment.

Maybe that is what i'm talking about. Maybe these aliens are intrigued by us humans, and consider us "primitive" or lower life than they are. But they are still intrigued by us, and are curious as to our way of life, how we survive in OUR environment

It IS possible that their technology is SO MORE ADVANCED than ours, that our scientist's can't even duplicate it. It IS possible that there are elements on other planets that are not on our Periodic Table, and those elements cannot be reproduced on earth by any means we are knowledgeable about. It IS possible that these extraterrestrials discovered highly advanced energy sources, and it is not possible for us to comprehend or understand their technology.

In lay man's terms: Maybe us humans are not smart enough to figure out their technology

the only alien life forms that could or already are found are on mars. They are tiny microscopic organisms. Does that count as aliens?

wow u two arguing about the fact that aliens exist? we may never know for now. if there are aliens thats like light-years away, we might have to find a way to trvel faster than light. and i might know how...........

how is my theory ridiculous? unless you can prove it wrong, then it's not a ridiculous theory.

interesting? it is entirely possible that at the level of intelligence they have(having discovered intergalactic travel), the aliens themselves would have ways of thinking far superior to the human mind. we may not be able to comprehend their ways of doing things, because their culture is so much more sophesticated than ours (this has resulted many times in the history of earth).

disregarding facts? using imagination? no one is disregarding facts, but we ARE basing theories resulting from our imagination on facts.

and maybe the aliens are so advanced that they no longer communicate using radiowaves. they could very well use forms of communication far more reliable and powerful than radiowaves. yes, this is damn well theoretical, but it is based on facts of evolution and the history of human advances

Did you just say you know how to travel the speed of light :laugh:
Funny what you gonna do tie scramjets to a bus

But if there are modern alien life forms out there within our range we would be able to detect them
And the landing on the moon thing WHAT ARE YOU GUYS SMOKIN you cant believe every thing you see on tv :buttrock:

omg you fckers

maybe they want to stay hidden! maybe they don't want to interfere with the development of our planet!

you have no way of proving for CERTAIN that there are no aliens that have visited or known us, humans.

...Or Maybe we are just a game to them. O_o! Who knows, they could just have us as a game peace, helping us learn and crap. (Think RTS game and you'll get my point.)

The worst enemy of a Stealth Plane is old Soviet hardware if so than what makes you think that we would not detect alien radio waves if they were in our region
Im still laughing about that speed of light thing :laughlong:

duuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh area 51 does exist......who wants to go on a mission to find out whats in their with me?????!!!!!! :laugh:

Yes. The REAL name for what we call "aliens" is "extraterrestrial life". "terrestrial" in this case means earth, and therefore, "extraterrestrial life" stands for "life outside of earth's atmosphere". Bacteria is still considered life, even though it's small. Therefore, this fossilized bacteria is considered alien life

I agree with you 100% on the first quote, and about 95% on the second quote

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Then why did you mention the Y-formation in the first place? And if there IS life on Io or Europa, then according to you, our Radio Satellites would have found this life by now. Now, if there IS life on a moon of Jupitor (which is in our own solar system), that kinda screws your idea of there being nothing within 90 light years from us (or whatever you said)

In lay man's terms: Maybe us humans are not smart enough to figure out their technology[/color][/quote]
#1) Joe, I didn't say the Radio Satilites detect life, they detect radio communication, i.e. radio transmitters.

#2) It is highly doubtful that there's no way they could have copied the "alien" egineering.

#3) Why are you makng this an arguement about if the are aliens or not. I do believe in life outside of our planet, but if they came here already, we would have scanned them already and / or made some sort of meaningful contact with them.

I'm just trying to bring the scientific facts into the conversation, and the main facts are... if they found us, chances are, we found them. And it's not just a government cover-up, because i highly doubt if there were aliens here, only the US would know about it.

OK, now to the hypotheticals.

Lets say, yes... there has been an alien landing here, and it was confirmed by the US Government, ok? The most armed country in the world. Why wouldn't we start making weapons to defend against alien invaders? We've already wasted trillions on "just incase" defense, why not more?

How bout this one, if these aliens are so powerful, and all knowing. They can't be detected, and they move at super speeds, why the hell would they be crashing in the desert?

So the chances that there have been aliens here recently, are very slim. I wish i could give you a scientific estimate... but i honestly don't know. Pretty hard to find info, ya know :)

But if I were to guess, I'd say, about 1/1,000,000,000 probably higher.

Stranger things have happened against odds, how bout the guy who was struck by lightning 7 times in his life? heh.

Well, hopefully we're done here.

P.S. I do believe aliens could have been on earth before, but the chances are very very slim, considering they haven't made any contact in recorded history, and we haven't detected anything.

Oh yeah, as for the idea... that "what if they don't use radio waves anymore?"

All waves of the electromagnetic spectrum move at the speed of light for eternity in space, the only way that we would not have detected alien radio waves, is if they have passed by us already... which is actually not impossible.

slim indeed, but not totally out of the question at all.

we've only begun recently to search for radiowaves and the radiowaves could have lost energy and became faint.

True, it's not out of the question that the waves passed us. But it is out of the question that the US government found an alien spaceship back in the 50's, and never built any defense, just incase they came looking.

that can't be confirmed, the US could've very well have built secret "defenses" that nobody knows about

[quote:post_uid0="UnknownFear"]Did you just say you know how to travel the speed of light :laugh:
Funny what you gonna do tie scramjets to a bus[/quote]
i MIGHT know how. MIGHT. not 'i know how to travel faster than light.'

have anyone ever heard of ion engines?

[quote:post_uid0="SolidSnake76"][quote:post_uid0="UnknownFear"]Did you just say you know how to travel the speed of light :laugh:
Funny what you gonna do tie scramjets to a bus[/quote]
i MIGHT know how. MIGHT. not 'i know how to travel faster than light.'

have anyone ever heard of ion engines?[/quote]
LoL :laughlong:

[quote:post_uid0="SolidSnake76"][quote:post_uid0="UnknownFear"]Did you just say you know how to travel the speed of light :laugh:
Funny what you gonna do tie scramjets to a bus[/quote]
i MIGHT know how. MIGHT. not 'i know how to travel faster than light.'

have anyone ever heard of ion engines?[/quote]
um... those are still in the development stages

Snake, the fastest outerspace travel able by man right now... is called "solar sailing".

It uses a gigantic sail, that in essence, gathers the outward energy of the sun. They are sending up a satilite in 2005 that will be using this method, it will move over 5x faster than any rocket we've ever invented.

well, we could always go to the antimatter and laser propulsion theories, or better yet, the stargate

lolol

You never said that. You just said "There are no aliens anywhere near us, because if there was, we would have found them by now using our radio satellites and we have 27 of them in a big Y-formation".

And it IS ENTIRELLY POSSIBLE that the aliens may use something more advanced than radio waves, so advanced that they can't be picked up by our radio satellites.

Why? You're giving our human race too much credit. That's like saying, "if we left a car in the middle of the jungle, would the Gorillas be able to re-create it?" No, because they're too primitive to understand our technology. Maybe its the same with us. Maybe, with all our smarts, we're too primitive to figure our alien technology

Scanned them? dubya tee eff? And once more, you're trying to act as if you're STATING a fact, when in fact you don't know. And maybe the "meaningful" contact you speak of has already, happened, but the ppl they made contact with just don't remember it.

Look up the case of Betty and Barney Hill.

I'm talking about alien abduction. While the patient is under a hypnotic state, the hypnotist asks them questions. Hypnosis allows one to reach into their SUBconscious and recall details they could not have remembered otherwise. This is the most useful tool scientists have to use to separate the hoaxers from real life. There have been instances where the patient is lying, and they'll say it outright in the hypnotic state. HOwever, there are many occasions where the patient will definately recall a type of alien abduction. And the subconscious CANNOT lie.

That's not entirely so. Human beings have been walking this earth for around 60 MILLION years. Yet, scientists are discovering new specie of animals ON OUR OWN PLANET that we didn't know exist. If we can't even know of the existance of animals on OUR OWN PLANET, I'm pretty sure chances are that we wouldn't be able to make contact with extraterrestrial life.

And like I said, maybe the aliens don't want us to find them, but they want to study us instead; the alien abductions is their version of "going into the field, bringing a specimen back for study, then releasing it". They then wipe out the victim's memory, so they can't cause mass panic and potentially expose the aliens

I'm with you on part of that, Tantum. I DO believe that the US would indeed have tried to build a defense against a possible alien invasion THAT MAY NEVER COME. It IS possible that the alien that crashed simply did that--crashed. And the US couldn't spend trillions trying to mass produce alien warfare, because they can't get that much money without taking a majority of it from the general public at large. And the last thing the govt. wants is the entire US public in a state of panic over an alien attack that maybe NEVER will come.

And why did they crash in the desert? Well, it IS possible that the US govt (in their constant state of paranoia), chased the ship with a few US fighter planes, and shot it down. Or it could be that the alien plane was the target of a strange atmospheric phenomena (ie, ball lightning, solar radiation). Or, just maybe, the alien craft ran out of "gas". Who the hell knows? All I know is that the night before it crashed, the ppl of Roswell reported a LOT of strange activity in the sky, strange lights maneuvering back and forth...and at least one farmer reported seeing it crash into the desert. The next day, the military was ALL OVER IT.

That's not what you originally said. THIS IS WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY SAID, and I quote:

I see your'e changing your story now...

You just contradicted yourself (or something). You just said that if they didn't use radio waves anymore, their radio waved could have passed us by now. If they didn't use RADIO waves, then WE NEVER WOULD HAVE DETECTED THEIR RADIO WAVES, WOULD WE, SINCE THEY DON'T USE THEM?

Therefore, the statement stands: they may use some other forms of communication. Maybe they use something far more advanced than radio waves. Or maybe (and this is a big maybe), they have some slight telepathic abilities, and have created technology to allow them to communicate telepathically over great distances

You don't KNOW that they haven't built a defense. Maybe the US govt already has, but doesn't want to let the rest of the US know about it, because they'd be risking a public outcry

Lol...the Stargate. But the antimatter/laser propulsion theories have yet to be tested, and therefore MAY be something we should keep our eye on.

Now, back to aliens

what?! i don't get what's so funny with the stargate

are you guys implying that i watch too much television?

it is quite possible that our only way of travel in the future is the stargate. it is very efficient and powerful.

Wormholes and sleep chambers
Like 2001 Space Oddysey

well there is 28 galaxys wich is ALOT so i say yea aliens,and venoms are real

No, Joe... I was implying the fact that maybe some alien race from a billion years ago passed earth by, that's possible.
When I said no, they haven't come here yet, I meant in documented history. Sorry for not clarifying that :angryfire: .

As for the Gorilla theory, that makes no sense. Gorillas have no concept of science at all. It's not the same as comparing educated humans to aliens. and how the hell do you even know that any alien race is smarter than us? Sadly it's possible we are the form of life with the highest intelligence so far. :(

60 million years? Homo Sapiens have been around for less than 1 million years.

And there's no f'ing way the government could keep any large defense project a secret for so long, and you know it!

Radio Waves- If they don't use them anymore, that doesnt mean we can't detect them.

Ok, let's say... They are 100,000 light years away, and they stopped using radio waves 20,000 years ago, guess what, their waves will still keep coming, for 80,000 years (considering they used them for all time before the 20,000)

Stop arguing with me, it's not going anywhere, it's just a lateral arguement at this point, we both gave our facts and theories, and there is no reason to argue about it anymore.

love, not war... :buttrock:


:laughlong: :laughlong:

uh.... no


there has been many theories concerning extra-terrestrial life and a grid/graph type thing has been made to classify intelligence. i forgot what it was called but on the graph, humans are considered quite "dumb" on the graph.

and you are judging the gorilla's intelligence from a higher level of intelligence. gorilla are smart enough perform simple tasks and that can be considered science for them, but you consider this not as science. well, other alien races could consider our unsophesticated scientific achievements as "simple tasks".