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ZeroEna 06-18-2002 06:33 PM

It is?????????????? I wouldn't know I've never seen the movie. ??? :(

SBYRD5 06-18-2002 06:57 PM

[quote:post_uid0="ZeroEna"]It is?????????????? I wouldn't know I've never seen the movie. ??? :([/quote]
(oh first DxRoll likes you). Anyway the movie "The One" is about Jet Li and his many selfs. The movie said that there is different types of you's and me's. By traveling in the year of 2XX9. We could travel through worm holes in space.(BLACK HOLES) On the other side of these black holes are different worlds just like ours.(Besides you and me looking different like a girl or guy or being gay). The point of the movie was for Jet Li to defeat his doubles to become stronger. The power is divided between each Jet Li. When Jet Li gets to number 128(The Last Double) well there is a big surprise.( CAN'T TELL go rent the movie) :p

Jhteck29 06-19-2002 06:57 AM

Another thing to consider with white/black holes. Now, if the theory is true that light cannot escape the force of a black hole, then it can be said that a white hole is like a lamp, giving off light. But, if this is true, a white hole could be nothing more than a sun, or star, in which we only see as a pinprick of light shooting out of. Which brings an even deeper question: What if our sun is nothing more than a white hole with a spherical exit, and the light and gas being given off is gas and light from another dimension that shines through the sphere as it exits? you may be thinking, and what about the planets revolving around the sun's gravitational pull? how wud this theory fit? Because of the spherical shape of the white hole's exit, when the gases leave the hole at over the speed of light, each makes a "ripple" of force as it leaves, and since it is a sphere, each ripple hits with another, creating a a force that [/U]propels[U] the planets in a continuous, harmonious ellipse. See, a parallel universe could be at the center of our solar system.
(note: i dont believe this theory, but interesting enough....)

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 10:26 AM

You stuttered a little but sounds like inertia in space. :0

Nantuko Joe 06-19-2002 11:34 AM

Jaims, that is an extremely good theory. Scientists already think that Black Holes are "portals" to other dimensions. However, we just "assume" that everything that enters a Black Hole gets crushed to the size of neutrons.

You see, as human beings we live in three dimensions. We live knowing three axes: the X axis, the Y axis, and the Z axis. However, not even our brains can even imagine anything in more than three dimensions. For example, black holes are holes in space. That's like trying to imagine a hole in the air. Could you go on the other side of a black hole? I don't mean go THROUGH it, but I mean go onto the other side of it (like going into space and orbiting around to the other side of the earth). Would it suck you in if you're BEHIND the black hole? Our puny minds can't even comprehend 1% of the unexplained phenomena out there.

For example, let's say you draw a stick figure and assume that it's alive (but only on the paper). That stick figure knows only two dimensions. Now, if we draw a box around that stick figure, it wouldn't be able to escape, because it would be trapped on four sides. It can't comprehend coming up OFF THE PAPER. Therefore, if someone is locked in a room with no exit, no way out, we cannot comprehend what it would be like for a being living in FOUR dimensions to somehow put his hand into the room and take us out.

Nantuko Joe 06-19-2002 11:39 AM

[quote:post_uid0="ZeroEna"]On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p[/quote]

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 11:46 AM

Joe when not acting like a noob you show a very inpressive side. ;)

Nantuko Joe 06-19-2002 12:23 PM

SBYRD5, that was uncalled for. The only reason you think I act nOObish is because I showed you up in the other topic.

But as far as my impressive side goes, I'm a lot smarter than I let on
;)

Nantuko Joe 06-19-2002 12:42 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]I just used a person in the example, but let's make it inanimate so that there are no nauseating problems with it. Is it possible for an object to reach the speed to light (other than light itself) by the perspective of an outside observer? Also not taking to account it would explode from the energy absorbed?[/quote]
Sorry for double-posting.

I think it is possible. I mean, like Dan said, something traveling at the speed of light would absorb unimaginable amounts of joules and explode. However, it is entirely possible to construct a "vehicle" that could actually take the absorbed energy and convert it into "fuel" for it.

But as far as comparing speed-of-light-travel to time travel, it's not entirely possible. For example, beings on Jupiter are just now receiving radio signals sent on earth 50 years ago. Because radio waves travel very slowly as compared to light and sound waves. Therefore, in a way, we can already time travel.

However, now that I am thinking about what I am typing, I am realizing that this pertains little to the topic, so I shall stop typing.....now

ZeroEna 06-19-2002 02:31 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quote:post_uid0="ZeroEna"]On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p[/quote]

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.
[/quote]
But that's exactly what I said Joe. Let me just put it simply A Black hole in our universe would be a white hole in another universe, likewize a Blackhole in that universe would be a white hole in our universe. But here's something I just thought if this isn't the only universe then hypotheticly speaking would there not be the problem of going to the correct Blackhole? if you go into the wrong one it's all over you'd be lost in and endless search of black holes unless there was a way to tell one black hole from another you see the white hole isn't that important it's mierly an exit it's the entrance the blackhole that counts. why don't we think that over shall we? interesting though huh? :p :D :)

SBYRD5 06-19-2002 07:13 PM

Well, time and space I believe that this generation of humans may not master these theories in our life time but future generations can study our mistakes and successes in problems that are simple in there time.(painting a image in your minds) Soon that generation will eventually put together a puzzle to solve now hard to understand problems to simple mouse mazes in there terms.

Unless another Newton is born we will only understand a small part to our universe. ???

Nantuko Joe 06-20-2002 05:15 AM

[quote:post_uid0="ZeroEna"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quote:post_uid0="ZeroEna"]On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p[/quote]

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.
[/quote]
But that's exactly what I said Joe. Let me just put it simply A Black hole in our universe would be a white hole in another universe, likewize a Blackhole in that universe would be a white hole in our universe. But here's something I just thought if this isn't the only universe then hypotheticly speaking would there not be the problem of going to the correct Blackhole? if you go into the wrong one it's all over you'd be lost in and endless search of black holes unless there was a way to tell one black hole from another you see the white hole isn't that important it's mierly an exit it's the entrance the blackhole that counts. why don't we think that over shall we? interesting though huh? :p :D :)[/quote]
Heh heh...sorry about that. The way it's typed, I thought you meant go thru a Black hole and then re-enter our dimension through what we'd see as a black hole. Nevermind. Sorry for the mixup.

xXsilverXx 06-20-2002 05:24 AM

i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
???

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 11:45 AM

[quote:post_uid0="xXsilverXx"]i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
???[/quote]
Thats ok read more books an watch less t.v. then you'll understand the problems of today and tomorrow. :D

ZeroEna 06-20-2002 02:31 PM

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="xXsilverXx"]i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
???[/quote]
Thats ok read more books an watch less t.v. then you'll understand the problems of today and tomorrow. :D[/quote]
that was cold man. Were talking about the universe now sence none of under stood Dans explination. sorry dan. it's like this what we think. We think that a black hole is like a gateway to another universe like ours with the same people yet different. And white holes are the exits so they don't matter too much. in short Black holes are like gateways to and from universes. Kinda like how Jet Li gets around in "The One".

SBYRD5 06-20-2002 02:46 PM

Yeah sorry Dan....
I get it from Joe....

natedog 06-25-2002 09:45 PM

same here.....u guys r smart
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