[color=blue:post_uid4]Thanks for the advice 2000warrior :biggrin:
Yes your not outdated yet :lol:
Also them techniques work.

Just that lag is sometimes it.
Depend's on how bad it want's to be.
That alone is lag's own evil choice the lil :vampv:

By the way tis seem's the word.
Teleport has been used more than just this once.
As well as the hint*hint*
Again we should know what that mean's :([/color:post_uid4]

only the new ppl in this game dont kno about the high jump ( teleport) and its easier to kill them.. but when u play someone that knows how to use it, its really hard 2 win

princevegetam: Lol.... well I'd expect you guys (especially since you're both old @ this game) to be able to beat any cheap shot.

ex: I just got my chance to test the my Cyclops and Chun li "techniques" on (suprise suprise) HARRISON-S a moment ago.

First fight Chun li (me) vs. Cyclops (obviously him). winner... 2000warrior

Second fight Chun li (me) vs. Cyclops (again, him). winner... him (by a slim margin, as opposed to me having over half my health the first time... but I like listening to music while I beat his face in, so meh).

Third fight Cyclops (me) vs. Cyclops (guess who??). winner... me (got a perfect on him the 2nd round)

Fourth fight Cyclops (me, eating, music, "chatting") vs. Cyclops (he never gets bored of Cyclops). winner... him

Fifth fight Cyclops vs. Cyclops. winner... him

Comments: Can you say "optic blast" and/or "Fag?" That's about his whole technique... optic blast (lp), and calling you a fag. Not a very good/smart fighter. You can predict when he's super jumping... but as can be guessed, I didn't take the match seriously, and easily was kickin' him around. Then after the first round of beatin' on him with Cyclops, I tried switching over to his strategy (he even called me cheap... :biggrin: ). Didn't work as well as I had hoped... either that or he just used more optic blasts then I was capable of after that perfect... :biggrin:

Conclusion: Yes, those techniques work fairly well... but the BEST way is to jump over them (no matter who you're using), and well... mug him, wait for him to triple jump aka "teleport", repeat. Just time your supers right and he's yours. SolidSnake's already proven it can be done with Wolverine, I stand this as a testiment that it can be done with relative ease using Chun li and/or Wolverine.

However, I do see the kind of excessive lag/unpleasurable game play that is produced by too many Cyc vs. Cyc optic blasts (fights like those are just boring and depend almost exclusively on who's more determined to be cheap).

[quote:post_uid0="2000warrior"]Nantuko Joe: I'm well aware of all the characters limitations and abilities (more so then you know). And Cyclops' Optic Blast insn't fast enough for you to be able to jump forward and block.

Honestly, sometimes I think you guys just leave the music, background on, screen maximized, AND play on normal mode 24/7 just to overexagerate your problems with beeting cheap shots. Once you've been playing long enough, you recognize styles and should be able to guess where your opponent is.

In fact if you pay attention, the majority of the damage you inflict won't be those hits that actually looked like hits *hint**hint*.[/quote]
Actually, i turn the music off, and the screen stays at its normal default size when you load it.

And that lag thing is bull. When I'm trapped in an infinate beam, I'm ALWAYS taking damage. The only time there's lag is when I attack HIM.

For example, on the second fight, he screwed up the timing for the optic blasts (he was only at maybe 2 bars of health left, I was at about mid-health). I hit him with THREE SHINKUU HADOKENS, and he took NO damage. Then he hit me with the Optic Blasts again, and therewas NO LAG with me, I died almost instantly. But being at 2 health and being hit with 3 optic blasts should have done the job.

As stupid as this sounds, lag NEVER works in my favor. It always fcuks ME over and helps my opponent

bitch bitch bitch... 2000warriror is right.. BLOCK PEOPLE !!

.. 1st off.. lets not bring up "jump lock"... that is a dif issue.. and there are valid reasons why it was implemented (all are posted on the forum.. somwhere)

we CAN'T have any "move locks" for dif chars... no way.. no how.. (the end)

Sentinel: he is slow... he is big... everything u throw at him hurts him.. and he is SLOW... as some of u noticed i gave him MORE power in the last two updatse (with hopes of making him more playable)... so.. u can bet i will not give him "less power" (or tweak his beams)

Wolverine: problem with Logan is that his moves NEED to connect with the player in order to hurt them.. and with lag.. this is VERY hard.. thus.. his hyper takes away around 50% health (not 90%+).. there is no easy way to tweak logan... he still has WAY too many problems than solutions.. so.. for now.. he stays...

Chun-Li: see logan above...

... now.. the final thought... :biggrin:

u all want Ryu.. or Ryu like characters... and ALWAYS to have Ryu as "the best"... when u face some other char and u can't win with Ryu.. thats the end of the world for u...

if play the arcade... and check the speed of Cyclops' optic blasts.. they are about the same... if u dont know how to block (or "jump forward and block") u really shouldn't be playing this game...

and after all said is done.. do u know how i check when a character is "cheap" ?? simple... if u look in the top scores.. and all u see is ONE character dominating the ranks... u can bet u'r arse THAT character is the real problem :biggrin:

next up: Spiderman... (who knows what bitching he'll bring) :biggrin:

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]TMy, remember back in the day you put a limit on the number of super jumps we could do because ppl were abusing it? Well, there are two things I think you should either put a limit on, or simply make the attack a wee bit slower.

Cyclops in general: Too many ppl abuse his optic blasts. Especially the HP. They sit there and use the High Punch forever, and when you finally superjump out of the way, they trap you in the corner with an Optic Beam until you die. Also, they do the same thing with the crouching Optic Beam and the Optic Sweep. Too many people abuse these attacks, and it's gotten a whole lot worse than the cheap hadokens of the past. Even if you'd slow the moves down just a wee bit, they would be a LOT less abusive.

Sentinal: the same thing with him, people simply sit there and abuse his mouth beam. This wouldnt' be THAT bad, except when it hits you it pushes you back into the corner, and ppl can sit there and do that all day long. And if you have no more helpers left, you're as good as dead. Again, if you could tweak the attack so it slows down a bit, it would be a bit more fair.

Wolverine: with 1on1 or 1 on 2 tag, his Super attack (down, back, HP + HK) keeps going until the opponent is KOd. I don't know if that's the way its supposed to be or if its a glitch, but it's too insane to stay.

Ryu: Just so ppl don't think I'm simply complaining, I'm going to also ask you to tweak some of Ryu's moves that I sometimes abuse. While kneeling, Ryu's MP is just as fast as his LP, but it's a lot stronger. Also, while crouching and using the MK, Ryu doesn't get pushed back away from the opponent, and the user can do that for the entire match.[/quote]
i hate the cheap basterds. :0

[quote:post_uid0="TMyApp"]if play the arcade... and check the speed of Cyclops' optic blasts.. they are about the same... if u dont know how to block (or "jump forward and block") u really shouldn't be playing this game...

and after all said is done.. do u know how i check when a character is "cheap" ?? simple... if u look in the top scores.. and all u see is ONE character dominating the ranks... u can bet u'r arse THAT character is the real problem :biggrin:

next up: Spiderman... (who knows what bitching he'll bring) :biggrin:[/quote]
TMy, no offense, but it gets kind of annoying when the lag NEVER works in your favor, and you CAN NOT do your strategy. You can't block. You can't jump. You just sit there and take damage. The only thing I can do about it is use my helper, and there are only a limited amount of times I can do that.

The reason I'm as fed up with this as I am is because whenever I fight someone who uses Cyclops, I ALWAYS lose, either because of the attack/lag killing me, or because I get so fed up I leave. But even YOU must admit that the Cyclops beam is too fast and deals too much damage for such a minor attack. The diagonal Optic Blast can trap you in a corner, and takes away A LOT of damage for a standard attack: Cyclops optic blast is about equal in power to being hit by TWO hadokens. If you can't slow down the attack, at least decrease the amount of damage it deals (just a little bit).

Nantuko Joe: you THINK it doesn't work in your favor.. but the game is p2p (look that up if u don't know what that means)

2nd... i can do ANYTHING to Scott... slow down the moves.. change them... make then do less damage.. anything... but i will NOT do any of that for a simple reason.. he is STILL slower and harder to use than Ryu...

as i mentioned b4... all that these post show me is that people want Ryu to be unstoppable... and they are unable to "change" their style of gameplay... and/or learn how to block...

[quote:post_uid0="TMyApp"]Nantuko Joe: you THINK it doesn't work in your favor.. but the game is p2p (look that up if u don't know what that means)

2nd... i can do ANYTHING to Scott... slow down the moves.. change them... make then do less damage.. anything... but i will NOT do any of that for a simple reason.. he is STILL slower and harder to use than Ryu...

as i mentioned b4... all that these post show me is that people want Ryu to be unstoppable... and they are unable to "change" their style of gameplay... and/or learn how to block...[/quote]
You keep talking about ppl wanting Ryu to be unstoppable, but if you dont' tweak Cyclops, he's pretty much unstoppable now. Hell, I already posted about a move that I exploit with Ryu: the crouching MP. It is just as fast as the QP, but deals more damage, and while using it, you DO NOT get pushed away from the opponent.

I'm not sure if you saw that big-ass post in the Bugs/Problems section before 2000warrior deleted it, but in case you didn't, I'll sum it up for you:

The complaining that half the forum is doing about Cyclops is not "a simple reason" to tone down his moves. You don't have to make the game EXACTLY like the original game. If the people that actually have TALANT and SKILL are getting beat by ######s that sit there and exploit Cyclops' attack, they're gonna get even MORE fed up and leave the game, leaving you with a server full of ######s with no talant sitting back and using Cyclops beam all day.

Let's take a poll of the people who want to tone down Cyclops blast: either damage-wise or speed-wise. If the majority of them are vets who have been here for a LONG-ASS TIME, then you should CONSIDER doing so, for the people. That IS why you're making the game, right? Your making it for the people to enjoy, right? Well, if ######s are exploiting an attack and making the game downright frustrating to play, then it's going to lose its enjoyment.

Do it for the fans, TMy. Not for the sake of maintaining originality, but for the fans

uh... NO! i certainly don't want ryu to become unstoppable. but maybe you should change some more important things than giving all the #### characters over-powered supers and unpenetratble cheap techniques.

if you truly want to balance out power and perserve originality you would do the following:

1. keep ryu as he is
2. get rid of that cyclops HP blast bug
3. get rid of chunli's lightning kick stuck bug
4. reduce the lag in wolverine
5. make wolverine's BBX and BB A LOT more faster
6. make wolverine a lot more faster
7. reduce the power in wolverine and chunli's supers
8. delay the optic blast recovery time
9. dramatically reduce the lag in EVERYONE except ryu
10. get rid of that chunli cheap trip bug

i give up...

i'll tweak Scott in next ver (as i see fit)... thats all i can say for now...