[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]But when Vegeta sacrificed himself to try and kill Buu, his heart had become PURE GOOD, he realized that it was his job to do what Goku had done before and sacrifice his own life to save the lives of the rest of the world. The only reason he went to hell was because of the deeds he committed when he was evil[/quote]
*wipes tears from eyes and sniffs*

so true...

i can remember myself crying watching that episode. and that episode when frieza first killed vegeta. it was so sad....

LMAO :laugh: :0 cant breath

do you have really understood what i said ?

i never said he was PURE EVIL ! i said that there was more than one way to be EVIL !
and second, remember how goku turn on gohan after getting into SSJ ? then if you have ever notice ! in SSJ you are not GOOD as your heart is filled with hatred and violence ! once in SSJ the person needs to try and stay himself or he would go out and kill the first thing in front of him !

GOHAN in the room of spirit and time had very much trouble keeping his anger for himself ! he was ready to blow up on goku ! then goku calmed him down !

goku had that same feeling about freeza when he became super for the first time ! he was about to explode and wanted freeza to be dead. when he YELLED at gohan for getting out of there, i knew he wasn't so pure ! that is why one SSJ cannot do a genki dama !

vegeta was EVIL at that time and he would have been entirely untder babidi's control... but vegeta was so strong that he succeeded to stay himself ! and no, even if he was on his own, he was still fighting as you remember babidi was giving him order and he had way to much of a headache while fighting that control ! then he ejected babidi from his mind, but kept the power for himself !

The reason Goku had to calm down Gohan was because Gohan's ki was stronger than his body can handle (read my post in XMvsDBZ about ki/strength). If Gohan didn't calm down and control himself, he would have killed himself.

He wanted Gohan to get out of there because he wanted Gohan Piccolo and Buruma to be on the spaceship going home in case Furiza tried to so something tricky or blow up the planet. It was not because he was trying to control the evil

No, Vegeta's heart had reached a state where good and evil were equal, and thus Babidi was unable to take full control. Vegeta made Babidi THINK he had full control, but ever since the very moment Vegeta "allowed" himself to be controlled, he was in control himself. Had Vegeta been 100% evil, Babidi would have been able to fully take control

Yes it is true that in SSJ their heart is pure evil. However, because Goku was so overwhelmingly good, the evil in his heart TRANSFORMED into good. There is a difference between ACTING good and actually BEING good. Acting good (in DBZ) means taht you have an evil heart, but simply USE it for good. But actually BEING good is taking the evil and actually TRANSFORMING it from evil to good. That's what Goku and the rest of them did when they went SSJ. It's just that because of Vegeta's evil nature, when he was controlled, he was half-good, half-evil.

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]When you say "evil buu", do you mean the thin, grey buu that fat buu expelled from himself? Evil buu would lose definately, but Kid buu....kid buu would prolly win[/quote]
sorry but evil buu devored fat buu and became super buu

umm no he meant when good buu blew all the steam out of him. Meaning he expelled the evil buu.

now i know that you're gonna say something about this and i know you're gonna say something has:"it wasn't in the manga !" but i'll say it anyway...

yes they can control their SSJ form, but their anger is very uprising their heart isn't pure anymore, they fight to stay themself. why ?

reason: when goku tranformed for the first time. MASTER ROSHI sensed the energy and said that if goku wasn't able to control that energy, he wouldn't be himself anymore ! that's exactly what he has done. he was so angered that while fighting freeza he let him go into his 100% power form. mistake he made has freeza was his equal by then. but goku's anger made him SSJ form last forever !

second example...
when gohan got to SSJ2, he did the very same mistake has GOKU did with freeza, and he lost his father cause of that ! and piccolo said it himself... HIS ANGER OVERRIDE HIS JUDGEMENT !

even thou you'll say that it has nothing to do with DBZ... krillin even said it to goku while fighting SUPER 13, QUOTE:"you cannot do a genki dama with an UNCLEAR heart" UNQUOTE he said this while he was seeing goku get to SSJ when doing the genki dama ! the genki dama was very unstable when he got there, but goku somehow absorbed the energy and used it in a single punch !

now, i doubt he could have made a GENKI DAMA has an SSJ3.

Actually, he became Ma-jin Buu. He didn't become Super Buu until he absorbed Gohan.

Yes, it was the anger that allowed him to go SSJ in the first place, but after he went SSJ for the first time, he was able to control it with ease, he didn't have to fight the evil. And he could not stay in SSJ forever, it takes an extreme amount of strength and training to stay inside SSJ form

Like when GOku went SSJ for the 1st time, Gohan's transformation was out of anger. However, he was able to control it without problem and without evil.

That entire event was bullpoop, since it never happened. I could argue for three pages about how that never could have happened (the actual event), but I won't



This is the conclusion: The first time someone goes SSJ or SSJ2, they need to be at both great power and great emotional stress/anger. However, after that, they can do it with ease. Note: Goku went SSJ for the 1st time, he had a lot of anger. Then, when Furiza was cut in pieces, Goku returned to normal, then powered up easily back to SSj to kill him. On earth, and ever since then, he has been able to go SSJ with extreme ease.

Same as Gohan. He went SSJ2 out of anger, but every time after then, he did it with extreme ease (the "Golden Haired Fighter, vs. Dabura, vs. Buu, etc). They never have to fight to stay themselves AT ANY POINT during the transformation