R. Mika

sorry, i've been swamped with work all week but i read every post (every last insulting one of them :biggrin: ). Ok, to address a few things:
1-Don't you think I already know there aren't throws yet? And of course I know all his moves are grabs except the banishing flat and lariat. But, TMyApp said its possible to implement grabs if someone like the Gief is put in.

2-TMyApp, thank you for his music, but now that you caved on that, maybe you'll throw him in, eh?

3-Thank you all who explained about the 360 movement. To restate it in a brief sentence: it's easy. I dominate with him because the motion is easy. Sometimes its easier off a jump-in, but I can do it while both his feet are planted, so obviously all you guys can.

Now the persuasion:
He's a beast. Ok so what? He's a strong beast. So is Juggy tho. But Zangief is a strong fast easily combo-ing beast (see what I mean?). He is the easiest "large man" to use in XvsSF. Easily combo by rallying a few punches off and ending w/lariat or even jumping in with a combo and ending with a SPD (the...cough...strongest normal move in the game).

Note who's in the game:a quick shoto, quick shoto girl, quick man w/ claws, quick web slinger, quick laser shooter, who are all weak compared to the giants in this game!! (ok, sent. is in the game, but he is still incomplete, so he is not nearly to the capacity of Geif.) We need muscle!!! We need grabs!!! We need tights (well, maybe Zangief isn't good for that....). But we need him!!!

Plus, if you want all your ryu's and ken's and spidey's and wolvie's to get their grabs, Zangief may be the choice for you. He could potentially pioneer the art of grabbing in this game. Think about it.

Anything else before I revert to pleading , bribing, and personal disgrace?

P.S.-NIce subliminal messaging Karma, I like your technique
P.P.S.-I'm not expecting Zangief to pull out an amazing victory by persuading at least 400 ppl. I only want to do better than last time, bringing the next poll's grand total to (drum roll please).......4. That's it. I want my vote and 3 others. Do I hear any takers?

wahhhh, wahhhh, i want my air combos and throws, i want grabs too, tmyapp help meeee..... lol

I was thinking that perhaps a "large" should be added to the game, since the larger guys are rarely seen (onslaught is never used, and sent is pretty rare)

Although, what engine is zangiefs engines based on? Or is it totally unique in it's design? Perhaps we could until a character with a similar engine is in, then we could add him in.

have you ever played as zangief before? it's all 360 rotations which are grab moves so not only are grabs not even known to the game yet, the 360 rotations will be a new one aswell. the most keys that regular moves take up is four. if we add a 360 then the 360 alone is a five key combination (down,right,up,left,down) no one will use him because his moves will take too long to execute. unless we totally ignore the old system of 360's and made up new combinations

now, call me crazy, but I believe that in SFAlpha3 they altered Zangief's motion slightly by making it only a 270 motion (to eliminate the problem of many un-coordinated ppl not being able to perform his moves w/o jump-ins). So, if TMyApp made his moves 270 degree commands instead, then you'd only need a four arrow motion. I think it would be a little false not for him to have 360 or 270 motions tho, b/c thats the challenge of plying with him. Oh, and Xtreme, he is unique. There is no other character in this or any vs. game (I believe) that uses 360 motion. Plus, his dragon punch motion isn't an uppercut, he's the only person who can't dash by pressing both buttons at the same time (thats his lariat), and he's one of the few ppl with a level 3 super. So I'm pretty sure he's the only one with an original engine. The best bet would be just to implement him as an indiv.

[quote:post_uid0="Jaims"]now, call me crazy, but I believe that in SFAlpha3 they altered Zangief's motion slightly by making it only a 270 motion (to eliminate the problem of many un-coordinated ppl not being able to perform his moves w/o jump-ins).[/quote]
<font color="blue">Uncoordinated people, lol it's a video game

if they were to make zangief the game would be down for a couple of months because they would have to remodel every charater and give them throws be cause all zangief is throws just about.

<font color="blue">Actually, there is.

Yeah, so is Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Shin Akuma, Evil Ryu has 2, Geese, Ultra Rugal, etc. Just not in this game..

But.. but.. I.. well, I guess.. well, another big guy in the game would be cool, I wanted to vote for Sentinel(Revised) Venom, or Akuma, but I guess it would be much cooler to have some giant hairy ugly freak in his underwear (What am I sayin!?!?) So I'll vote for Zangief :biggrin:

OK...man I understand now...if they actually put someone corny like sentinal in the game it's only fair to add Zangief...then L.Mika. :buttrock:

*sits back smoking a blunt* lol funny :laughlong:

Yeah, yeah, i know, i haven't been here in a while but I had a ton of work. Back to the campaign......

blossom: It's funny you mention that, he does have the "people's elbow"!

Scorponok:Really? who else has the 360 motion (just out of curiousity, i had no idea!)

XCloudX: Ok, i was thinkin' about that fact, but here's an easy solution - Zangief gets throws, and no one else...yet. Then, in the proceeding polls in the future, you can vote for a revised char. (much like how you could vote for a revised sent. in the last poll) and then the throws would be implemented, along w/mayve extra supers or moves (if applicable).

Ok, time now for more random paraphanelia (did i spell that right?):

Most of the big guys all have one great characteristic that helps destroy combo-happy lightweights: SUPER ARMOR. "Ok, so what? Juggy has perm. armor, so does Hulk. Why is Zangief better in that category, he has to use a hyper meter to activate his!!" Ok, true, he doesn't have prm. bodyarmor, and its takes a hyper meter to activate it, but that has one extreme benefit.......he's still quicker than the others. Now, he's not a sprinter, mind you, but can be quite sneaky. Plus, his [/B]unblockable[B] supers make his armor the most managable. If someone comes too close, and starts chipping away at your health while you're wearing armor, just unleash his FAB super. He'll waltz right through the flurry of hits, capturing his opponent and taking away a nice chunk of damage. Impressed? Then vote Zangief!!! Not impressed? Either ask questions or make a fool out of me!!! See, everyone wins!!!

well...

he's not UNIQE if you take SFA3 !
RAINBOW MIKA has the very same style except she's a little faster and use a little less grabs techniques ! but still has the same style has gief !

BTW, have you ever saw the BIG BAD BEAR WRESTLER DANCE ?
i sure did !
STREET FIGHTER EX 2+
take PULUM PURNA and do her DANCING SUPER !
enjoy the GIEF going around like crazy trying to follow her in her movements !
that's so damn funny and so damn retard for i think capcom shouldn't have made SUPERS like that !

anyway... if tmyapp has no choice but to add ZANGEIF he'll add THROWS to the game, i no, it isn't all that hard to do the throws... all he have to do is keep the character in HIT STATE then make the player follow the THROWER and VOILA, gief just throwed someone !

doubt the game would be down for the implementation of throws, even if he has to get the game down, then we still have the last older version to play with ! like do you think he works on this game while we play ? oh damn no, he has his own version of the game which he implement things on it, then when ready puts the new version to replace this one !

conclusion: stop thinking th game will go down during the time he will works on another character.

Zangief is gay and Dan Hibiki owns him. 'Nuff said.

who is this zangeif dude? could you like get a pick of him or something?

mooo1: He's the dude on Jaims avatar (a wrestling char. from Street Fighter).

<font color="blue">Ahh I had a list of names the day I said other people have 360 degree motions, forgot now. If I can recall this correctly, E. Honda has one or two, there are more but I'll have to get back to my PS2

Well, here's a 1+ for the gief.

When gief is added, TMy will have to install throws into the game.

Now, it won't only be for gief, but also for all the other characters as well. Thus, we'd have to redownload ALL of the chars again, so they will all have the throws.

If we wait until we have like, 40 something characters (gief only got 3 votes last time, so I think it'll be awile until he's getting the most votes), we'll have to download all of them again.

If we get gief early, then all characters made after him will all have throws, and there won't be any need for this "redownloading".

I haven't really found someone in particular who I feel strongly to vote for, so maybe I'll vote for the gief.

GO GIEF GO! GO GIEF GO!

again, i'm on DAN's side !
last time we had like 30 votes for DAN HIBIKI and i am sure this year we'll have more then that !
mayber less, but that's another story !
for my part, we cannot vote for more then one charcater and my VOTE will always go to DAN HIBIKI until we got him !

1 - he can combo all of his moves, including supers !
2 - taunting is way faster then any other way of increasing your super bar
3 - has his SUPER TAUNT where he taunt 5 times in a row ! your opponent will be so much laughing that you'll get the uper hand !
4 - his GOURYUKEN is as strong as KEN SHORYUKEN
5 - his GADOUKEN doesn't go far but sure packs a punch when it comes to pushing back the opponent !
6 - has OTOKO MICHI (self-destruct super) which deals 85% damage to the opponent ! ok, lets say you still have 1 point of energy left after that one so one hit and that's finish for you !

but like i said, all moves are comboable including the supers !
and his moves are way better then ryu, but that is my opinion !

now...
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>VOTE DAN HIBIKI</span>

OH sooo that's who zangeif is... what kind of name is that for a person? He isn't even like indian or something.. i thought zangief was that inidan guy who stretches his arms and legs.

I hate Zangif and will never pick him. HE sucks! i want AKuma!

[quote:post_uid0="mooo1"]OH sooo that's who zangeif is... what kind of name is that for a person? He isn't even like indian or something.. i thought zangief was that inidan guy who stretches his arms and legs.[/quote]
<FONT COLOR="BLUE">"inidan guy who stretches his arms and legs" = Dhalsim
Big hairy idiot from USSR = Zangief

lolz

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]again, i'm on DAN's side !
last time we had like 30 votes for DAN HIBIKI and i am sure this year we'll have more then that !
mayber less, but that's another story !
for my part, we cannot vote for more then one charcater and my VOTE will always go to DAN HIBIKI until we got him !

1 - he can combo all of his moves, including supers !
2 - taunting is way faster then any other way of increasing your super bar
3 - has his SUPER TAUNT where he taunt 5 times in a row ! your opponent will be so much laughing that you'll get the uper hand !
4 - his GOURYUKEN is as strong as KEN SHORYUKEN
5 - his GADOUKEN doesn't go far but sure packs a punch when it comes to pushing back the opponent !
6 - has OTOKO MICHI (self-destruct super) which deals 85% damage to the opponent ! ok, lets say you still have 1 point of energy left after that one so one hit and that's finish for you !

but like i said, all moves are comboable including the supers !
and his moves are way better then ryu, but that is my opinion !

now...
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>VOTE DAN HIBIKI</span>[/quote]
1.Combo's any one can do that nothing new.
2.u taunt at me i will just blast u with shinkuu-hadouken
3.LOL not funny i will just do a flying round house on u.
4.lacks in range http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/char.../sf-danken.gif
5.easily be counter
6.good move but have to be close plus lag.
Over all
<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'>DONT VOTE FOR DAN</span>

Hmmm...we have a few rebel campaigners here......well, if its only hibiki, i guess i can allow it:biggrin:

1 - Zealot, interesting perspective. I never saw it in that light. I'll add that to the campaign!!! Save time downloading the new characters, vote ZANGIEF now!!!!

2 - Scorponok, actually you may be right, im thinkin honda does have some type of throw that uses 360, but it may just be a half circle. But, honda is not in this game, so Zangief is still the only person in this game at least who has 360 motion

3 - Big Hairy idiot from USSR? well, yes. But that's not a bad thing all the time right? Im sure there are tons of big hairy idiots who visit the site, they can vote one of their own kind in now!

4 - Dan, even if you think Zangief is gay, don't you think its time we get some diversity in the chars? Technically, adding a gay guy to the lineup would show kids not to discriminate because some gay guys are huge russian beasts! (Ok, im just playin' with you now but its always good to throw a politically correct spin on this thing)

Hmmm....lets see, whats a good random fact.....well, his dash is unique in that it doesn't just propel him forward, it actually is a grab that upon contact, will let you do a normal atomic buster or his famous bite hold or his stomch pinch move (embarassing to lose against). He would be one of the first chars. in which dashing would become a part of the strategy!! Any more questions/derogatory comments? Go ahead, post them!!! And vote Zangief!!!

I think Zangief would be awesome. I never liked him much at first, but then I started playing him more and once you get the hang of it, he makes for a quite formidable (sp?) opponent.

[quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"][quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]again, i'm on DAN's side !
last time we had like 30 votes for DAN HIBIKI and i am sure this year we'll have more then that !
mayber less, but that's another story !
for my part, we cannot vote for more then one charcater and my VOTE will always go to DAN HIBIKI until we got him !

1 - he can combo all of his moves, including supers !
2 - taunting is way faster then any other way of increasing your super bar
3 - has his SUPER TAUNT where he taunt 5 times in a row ! your opponent will be so much laughing that you'll get the uper hand !
4 - his GOURYUKEN is as strong as KEN SHORYUKEN
5 - his GADOUKEN doesn't go far but sure packs a punch when it comes to pushing back the opponent !
6 - has OTOKO MICHI (self-destruct super) which deals 85% damage to the opponent ! ok, lets say you still have 1 point of energy left after that one so one hit and that's finish for you !

but like i said, all moves are comboable including the supers !
and his moves are way better then ryu, but that is my opinion !

now...
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>VOTE DAN HIBIKI</span>[/quote]
1.Combo's any one can do that nothing new.
2.u taunt at me i will just blast u with shinkuu-hadouken
3.LOL not funny i will just do a flying round house on u.
4.lacks in range http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/char.../sf-danken.gif
5.easily be counter
6.good move but have to be close plus lag.
Over all
<span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'>DONT VOTE FOR DAN</span>[/quote]
you fight me on fba. i'll own j00 with dan. DAN OWNZ. i changed my mind bout him lol

[quote:post_uid0="Scorponok"]<font color="blue">Hmm, I'll need ALOT of persuasion to make me like Zangief. I use him occasionly on my PS2 game, but I don't like him. If there was a vote I would vote for either Akuma or Guile.[/quote]
I'd have to agree with Scorp on this one. Zangief is a good character at the arcade, but he would have to be able to do his grab moves to be more effective than ryu or any other character. I vote for guile or charlie!!! :D

Ok, maybe Guile but, ewww......CHARLIE? Come on, they're like shotos but with charging involved. Plus, one of their best qualities is their air grabs and their atomic suplexes and everything. W/o these they dont have much advantage over the other shotos. But, if we get Gief in, throws will be added, and then you can vote guile (or whatever reason, charlie) comforted by the fact they have their throws. (Ok, I am biased against them a lot, so dont come flaming back with reasons why they're great, im just making a case for 'ole Gief, so dont go crazy now).

Here's a correction to a common misconception about Zangief: Ppl assume Gief will get creamed by projectile-happy opponents. "Zangief can't lauch anything back to cancel out the fireballs, he'll be chipped to death!!!" True, no projectiles in Gief. But, guess what? His lariat (the easiest move to pull off) travels through them!!! just work your way across the screen with this, juggle the opponent with it, have your way with the opponent, become famous, enter a tourney, win a million bucks, thank me later for persuading the entrance of Gief. See, you can become rich. Easy as 1, 2, 3. I take thank yous in the form of letters, money, and brief periods of worship, if you ever feel the need. Ok, now seriously, any questions, or want to give me a situation to see how Zangief would perform?

[quote:post_uid0="Jaims"]W/o these they dont have much advantage over the other shotos.[/quote]
<font color="blue">They aren't shotos..

im voten for dan but one thang his fire ball gose 1 inch so that sucks

Scorponok: No, no, I mean they dont have advantage over Ken, Ryu, Akuma, etc (the other shotos), not that Guile and Charlie are shotos. They'll be crushed by the shotos b/c they wont be able to charge quickly enough to stop any fireballs, and without the air throws, their air game isn't that good. So, we should implement a character who needs throws first, so the other characters can get them later.

ABC, glad to know we can count on you to vote for DAN HIBIKI, but...

don't think that way about his GADOKEN !
use it it as a power move instead, since all moves are COMBOABLE you can use that move to SHOOT BACK your opponent into the far corner of the screen. the moves also good to knock back AIR-BORN players when you do it at the right moment !

see his, GADOKEN (small hadoken) is the strongest move he has but you have to it the opponent fast enough and close enough !

it mostly serves as a POWER BLOW if you want to PUSH AWAY an opponent !

MASTER: yeah opponent can all COMBO NORMAL MOVES !
when you do a SUPETR after a combo the opponent as about an entire seconds to block the full move ! which DAN HIBIKI doesn't even gives to the opponent since he basically ADD onto his combo !

kicking my ass while i taunt ?
how can you do that if your character is on the floor ? :colgate:

CLOSE RANGE MOVES ?
actually the only close range moves his his gadoken...
DRAGON PUNCH, just like the other shotos
3x kicks = same as TATSU MAKI SEMPUU KYAKU but passes thru projectiles !
GADOKEN = need to be close but is the strongest moves he has and is way the best move to counter an HADOKEN !
DAN throws it almost instant... which makes him faster thrower then the other shotos !

think again MASTER, dan ROCKS and is not that STUPID GAY GUY you're seeing him ! he doesn't suck, at least not in my hands ! but you're right, perhaps that LAG here will make him weaker then he is, but that only TIME will tell !

as for GIEF... how do you know he's an IDIOT ?
for me, he looks like a bright guy, not a big scientist but still an intelligent person !
he's russian, as a badass attitude problem and have an EGO the size of the pyramids !
that we can tell by how he acts...
but IDIOTS ?
only movies could have told you that and sorry to tell you, but no movies are very true to the game itself !

SF2v is made by the same creators so at least that series can be right but again, even RYU doesn't even acts like he's suppose to ! so again, i doubt he is an IDIOT and what is the definition of an IDIOT, you too can be one some times !

so no, i continue to say he's far from being a total IDIOT !
JAIMS: it's not because i don't like zangief... but i am not the best with him, so that's why i'm gonna vote for DAN HIBIKI !



Edited By SSJKarma on Feb. 02 2003 at 17:05

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]kicking my ass while i taunt ?
how can you do that if your character is on the floor ? :colgate:[/quote]
Sure lol right.
But i am not saying dan looks stupid or gay, I like it when he does that one taunt hold his arm up crying out. All i am saying is he is ok but i like ken,ryu,Akuma shoto's better. Jamis There aint nothing wrong with guile and charlie I will own ppl with charlie. He does have a rush in grab super and the flip kick super. He dont need his air grab, he is just great as he is.

yeah, but his rush in grab super needs grabs to be implemented to work. TMyApp wont put that in unless he has to put a "grab character" in. If you want the grabs, you gotta sacrifice and vote Zangief.

<font color="blue">Been usin Dan on my PS2 for the past few days, come to think of it, he is pretty cool.. But I'm still voting for Zangief *pukes*

how lovely...

Random Fact: Zangief's SPD and FAB are powerful, but wanna know how to make them perform at their best? While Zangief is performing the move, continue spinning the control stick. For the SPD, he will spin faster and cause more damage, and for the FAB, he will glow a deep red and cause an explosion, knocking off another 10% damage! Whether this would be implemented or not is something i can't answer, but its something to think about! Also, note that during his FAB super, he has limited body armor during his attempt to grab the opponent. Unblockable and un-stunnable, thats what i call a super!!! GO GIEF!!!

well... it made me think of something ?
if throws are included, then ULTIMATE WEB THROW of spiderman will be a replacement for ULTIMATE WEB STING !

nahhhh !
still vote DAN HIBIKI !
he's like the big bag bear wrestler, he's not joke char everyones talks about ! he is a very skilled fighter when you know how to use his moves !

Man,zangief sux we need either akuma , cable ,or ken (they rock) :buttrock: