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blanka09 09-12-2004 10:17 PM

Well, this is how I see it; it's no America's place to mourn for the thousands of people who loose their lives to AIDS, starvation and other unfortunate happenings in the world. What the americans are simply doing today is rembering the lives of the "innocent" ones that was lost on that day.. 4 years ago. I remember returning from the store in woolwich arsenal on a train from Deptford when my Grandma told me to turn on the TV to sky news.. and there it was, the tower burning. I actually thought it was a movie until the second plane hit and then the chaos was unmeasureable.

Not saying that american lives are far more "precious" or anyffin.. but the point is, if they (as americans) choose to make a big deal of it in their own country, then so be it. Bloody hell, they can't be held responsible for all the things that go on in the third world countries.. however one cannot forget about the foolish and irresponsible act of "our president"... may God continue to bless and provide for him (yes.. no matter how "bad" his decisions are, we're still liable to pray for him) in rushing to war in Iraq.. without the concent of the UN alliance.

These and some other actions of the americans are what make the whole atom of "hate" to grow and fester among other countries.. and sadly enough, things like what happened on the 11th of September 2001 do happen.\

I don't really know the right words to say to those who lost lives of relations and loves ones on that day.. but I pray that God would console them and be with them till they meet to never part again.

Now who wants some orange soda? :biggrin:

dominicankid098 09-12-2004 11:01 PM

As fliped up as this may sound, but the *poor* people of toronto chose their life to be that way. They must have had a chance some early time in their life to make it better for themselves. When you don't look at things for the future, then you will be living in an unorganized matter. They became poor because they didn't think about their future. You can name many examples to me and I will give you an answer of what might have happened or what they could have done to live better for themselves. Yes it is sad they live that way and hopefully they find shelter but they chose life to be that way.

Quote:

money? MONEY? who can think of money at a time like this, you materialistic little man...
bush thinks of money.

Questions you people might have in your head.
Why are american soldiers out there? Because bush wants the oil.
Does he care about "Iraqi Freedom"? NO.
Should John Kerry or George bush win the election? Every person I know is going to vote for an independent, flip democrats and republicans.
----------------

As for you people who don't get the point here. Yes alot of people die from diseases, car accidents, aids, starvation, etc etc. AND GLOBALLY EVERYONE TRIES TO HELP, BELEIVE IT OR NOT. You people make USA look like one big pile of trash but in reality we try to do what we can to help others. My family donates in charity, goodwill, and many other things every month. And so many others do as well. What you people don't get is that many yes have died in diseases and other things, but how many people in the world die in a terrorist attack in one big group? A SERIOUSLY PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACK. Not many buildings have been bombed down. And to think about it, one of the airplanes was most likely to hit the United Nations but lost control. United Nations is a place where all world leaders meet. Then what were you people going to say about that? If they were to bomb the UN everyone would be helping out the U.S. in IRAQ. SO STfuWITH THAT.

Don't blame USA. Blame bush.

--(- 09-13-2004 01:24 AM

well i remember that day september 11, 2001 pretty well - i had gotten to school late and strolled into the classroom (science), the teacher had the t.v on and most of my mates were playing around with the bunsen burners and the gas stuff burning things, i glanced at the t.v and seen these 2 towers collapsing, i was like "yo what movie we watching?" and the teacher goes, "the news, the world trade center in America had 2 planes smashed into it" and i was like "oh" and then went and played with the burners and poop with my mates.

The End.

SSJDan 09-13-2004 10:25 AM

Read Plato's republic and then read Sir/Saint Thomas More's Utopia. Then judge for yourselves of what governments should do.

QUIET_KILLER 09-13-2004 12:02 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid11][quote:post_uid11="SSJDan"]Read Plato's republic and then read Sir/Saint Thomas More's Utopia. Then judge for yourselves of what governments should do.[/quote:post_uid11]
[color=teal:post_uid11]Yo ssjdan man give me a link so I can read it. :blues:
Now yo dominican kid explain that independent.
Process to me send me a pm so I can read it please.
Also yeah he also has a point about death.
it is all over the world and in cause=sin.
I am not even sure where to begin.
So I was thinking of saying some fugged up stuff.
I can of course see we have enough of that so.
I will follow some advice we all should have heard.
You don't got nothing nice to say don't say it then.
Also for those gone all from the world.
At every time and century for my memorial words.
What ever the situation prays for.
The souls of the departed R.I.P[/color:post_uid11][/color:post_uid11]



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LAB~MONSTER 09-13-2004 12:29 PM

9/11 be happy that they are gone. thats all i gto to say.

SSJDan 09-13-2004 12:29 PM

they are books, im not sure if you can get a online copy of them.

Vash 09-13-2004 03:50 PM

The 9/11 attack was horrible and alot of family and friends passed away that day when the air planes crashed in to the towers form those terroist, darn them.

LAB~MONSTER 09-13-2004 04:06 PM

ok ppl, there is nothing u can do to bring them back. so be happy that they died. its says it in the bible be happy for someone when they die. so i am happy. :), don't be sad.

~Mastermax~ 09-13-2004 04:17 PM

oh great, religion goes great with politics...
lets start some holy wars why don't we?

LAB~MONSTER 09-13-2004 04:32 PM

umm when did this topic changed from respect to the victims to war? i am lost. :( . help me out mastermax.

Physicals r scary 09-13-2004 05:08 PM

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]but now.. I think it was a Payback to AmeriKKKa.. Don't think it should of haPPened, but it was AmeriKKKas fault..[/quote]
too all you fu(ks like this kid, you need to grow up, you dont know how good you have it in america, and im sure if your mom dad sister etc died in wtc or was in the wars were in youd feel a hell of a lot different..... but i guess you just sound so cool hating the country you live in, were you have way more freedom and a better standard of living than other countries

`Crystal 09-13-2004 05:50 PM

All i have to say is dat none of my family or friend where thurr.. well maybe 1

And umm Sept 11 ..was Ludacris(the rapper) birthday

Virtual Fighter 09-13-2004 06:58 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Physicals r scary"][quote:post_uid0="asshole"]but now.. I think it was a Payback to AmeriKKKa.. Don't think it should of haPPened, but it was AmeriKKKas fault..[/quote]
too all you fu(ks like this kid, you need to grow up, you dont know how good you have it in america, and im sure if your mom dad sister etc died in wtc or was in the wars were in youd feel a hell of a lot different..... but i guess you just sound so cool hating the country you live in, were you have way more freedom and a better standard of living than other countries
[/quote]
if i knew someone who died in the WTC, i wouldnt be all patriotic. i'd be asking WHY. WHY, and i dont want a chicken poop bush answer. i would want the truth. the REAL truth.

Physicals r scary 09-13-2004 07:01 PM

a bull poop bush answer? and can you please inform me when bush or anyone else gave a bull poop answer about why the wtc were destroyed? could it be because al queda flew planes into the wtc because they hate america? or is that a lie, and theres a big ol conspiracy im missing out on?

Virtual Fighter 09-13-2004 07:18 PM

i dont know, he clamed terrorists, then we were at war with the taliban. Osama is still not found, and now we are at war with saddam. but wait- i tought it was terrorists? no, apperantly bush changed his mind and is now saying it was saddam. then, fherenheit 911 is raising all sorts of questions on bush's credablitity and his possible sympathy to the soudy royal family.

in a time of need, we are crippled to gulibility. when im in time of need, im am crippled with strengh in question.

Physicals r scary 09-13-2004 07:59 PM

rotfl... id be surprised if fahreinheit had one fact... peter jackson...er michael moore is so full of it, i dont know where to start... ya harass congressman saying "why dont you send your kids to fight?"... newsflash : parents dont make kids go to war... its free will.. and for the "he claimed terrorists, then we were at war with the taliban. Osama is still not found, and now we are at war with saddam. but wait- i tought it was terrorists?"

1.so hes lying cause osama isnt found yet? does that mean we didnt destroy the taliban and cripple al queada? thats like saying in ww2 "roosevelt is so full of poop, 3 years at war and we still havent found hitler... hes a liar, germany never attacked us, it was japan that bombed pearl harbor

2. saddam is a supporter of terrorism, he has ties with al queada even. look for more wars beyond iraq and afghanistan, were at war with ALL TERRORISTS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.....and how can you not say iraq isnt in a better state then it was two years ago with saddam and his sons in power, brutalizing anyone who went against them

bush isnt the best president ever, in fact hes poopty, but when people say that "were at war with terrorists and thats bad" it really ticks me off




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Virtual Fighter 09-13-2004 08:18 PM

1) this isnt about ww2, its about now. and if youw ere trying to make an annalogy, then it's really faulty.

2) no he doesnt. saddam hates ossama, and had a conflict with alkaida. he doesnt support them, and that is a proven fact, STATED IN THE 911 CONMISSION REPORTS. they found no connection to saddam, and 911.

if you say the reason 911 happened was osama bin laden and alkeida - why is it the US has now virtually abandoned finding osama bin laden and sent more then half of afganistan's soldiers to fight in iraq, if the commision reports found no link?

it's very easy to be gullable, and take in whatever "truth" they say on the news or by bush himself.

dominicankid098 09-13-2004 08:27 PM

And how would you know that they had virtually stopped looking for osama? Do you think that the Delta Force would give out all secrets to everyone? It was hard enough to capture saddam who was local in iraq, it would be a hundred times harder to find some piece of trash animal that explores inside caves.

The news does not always state the whole truth.

Physicals r scary 09-13-2004 08:33 PM

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"][/quote]
1) this isnt about ww2, its about now. and if youw ere trying to make an annalogy, then it's really faulty. ok dismiss it since you have nothing to say

2) no he doesnt. saddam hates ossama, and had a conflict with alkaida. he doesnt support them, and that is a proven fact, STATED IN THE 911 CONMISSION REPORTS. they found no connection to saddam, and 911.

2.really, can you find that? because didnt iraq have various terrorist camps that we have found? i dont remember seeing or hearing anything in the comission reports that they have found no connection to sadam and al queada, could you get me a link?

if you say the reason 911 happened was osama bin laden and alkeida - why is it the US has now virtually abandoned finding osama bin laden and sent more then half of afganistan's soldiers to fight in iraq, if the commision reports found no link?

they abandoned finding osama? really? then why are troops still there searching for him? just because we havent found osama doesnt mean we arent looking for him, and yes soldiers did leave afghanistan for iraq because AFGHANISTAN ALREADY HAS A GOVT SET UP THAT WE DONT HAVE TO POLICE


let me say this slowly

we

are

at

war

with

all

terrorists

Virtual Fighter 09-14-2004 07:50 AM

[quote:post_uid0="CNN"]The commission's report says bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to [Saddam] Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.[/quote]
[quote:post_uid0=""CNN again"]bush, responding to criticism of Cheney's comment, said there was no evidence Saddam's government was linked to the September 11 attacks.[/quote]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...11.commission/

[quote:post_uid0=""newsmine.com"]WASHINGTON (AP) - Rebuffing bush administration claims"]no evidence exists that al-Qaida had strong ties to Saddam Hussein.[/b] In hair-raising detail, the commission said the terror network had envisioned a much larger attack and is working hard to strike again.[/quote]

http://newsmine.org/archive....nel.txt

if we're beggining to play the game of stating facts, and then posting links, how about you back up those terrorist camps in iraq statment, or how about you back up your "we're still hunting for osama" statment. how about your afganistan has a government set up?
dont test my facts, please. i watch the new every day for at least an hour, and if you havent already heard that the commision reports havent found a link, then im really doubting your knowledge on the warr.




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-Ski- 09-14-2004 08:02 AM

i lost a child hood friend on the pentagon crash and he was on a feild trip there

:(

dominicankid098 09-14-2004 08:32 AM

Like I said before, do you think that the news will give out every bit of information? Especially National televised news?

Anyways here is my link of someone with a proven document that there is a connection between saddam and osama.

http://www.tennessean.com/nation-wor...34908297.shtml

Virtual Fighter 09-14-2004 02:40 PM

just by looking at the url, it tells me its bias. why? well,

frist of all, it says "tennesse" in it. tennesse is on of the most republican states int he nation. NO poop its gonna be pro-bush. second, dubya tee eff is this website anyway?

is it CNN? no, is it fox news? no, is it CNNBC? no, its fliping nothing.

it is flipng NOTHING.
how can you come here, claim the news doesnt tell everything, then post a bias, unknown, untrustable link? =/

Physicals r scary 09-14-2004 04:29 PM

oh my god, cbs isnt biased? whats with this whole affair with the document dan rathers or whatever his name is reported about that was proved to be fake by investigators, yet he still denies it being fake

Mr. Big 09-14-2004 06:22 PM

Cost of War

sooner or later if bush stay in office, i bet the US wont have enough money to even run the country straight. so far its over 137,000,000,000 and climbing and the economy isnt even rebuilt.




Edited By Mr. Big on 1095211385

Virtual Fighter 09-14-2004 08:35 PM

actually, its some where around 100 billion, i dont know where you got the exta 37.


okay, Physicals r scary, since you wanted me to post some links and facts, how about you back your statments up?

its my third request, so far each denied.

BTW: i said NOTHING about CBS. CBS is an educational programming show which shows children shows in the morning and boring grown up materials in the afternoon. dan rather does NOT work for CBS.

please, get your facts straight.

dominicankid098 09-14-2004 09:26 PM

uh, you get your facts straight. CBS 4 IS NOT A CHILDRENS CHANNEL. PBS IS.

Virtual Fighter 09-14-2004 09:33 PM

ARRGG!! fine, i retract my earlier statment, and i corgially smacked myself in the head.

that still doesnt make up for yours and his lack of facts, proof, links, and doesnt make up for an abundance of "like, something, whatever" statments.

Ken-Po 09-15-2004 03:40 AM

That plane should have crashed into bush's tight ass straight into the white house, and not into a building with innocent family men/women working. I will tell you right now I don't give a shyt what Bin Laden did simply because of what Karma said and yes it is very true. America thinks they own everybody in war, knowledge u know shyt like that. America did deserve a wake up call but not by killing innocent people.

If there's one thing I hate about the army, war and all dictatorship related material is civillians fliping dying for nothing dude. Half of my family was slain in war what the hell for? because muslims wanted their own part of what once was Yugoslavia, serbs wanted their part, and croatians wanted their part, yet the day before the war we were all like brothers.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't make fun when innocent lives are taken, but at the same time and this goes directly to you americans: DON'T THINK YOU ARE BADASSES AND YOU OWN EVERYBODY BECAUSE YOU DON'T.

P.S: aznkid or w/e noone hates america, just some parts of what is a flaw in the american nationalism.

One last thing before you start acting/actually caring or w/e it is that you do regarding this event, unless you had family members die on that day or lost some dear mates of yours, don't even mention it because it's getting REALLY old.




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Virtual Fighter 09-15-2004 07:23 AM

i dont hate america; i just expects greater things from it.

chadwickton 09-15-2004 07:35 AM

I saw this one website that had some1 who photographed the pentagon attack. And in this video clip the cameraman was a skeptic because some of the objects on the side of the pentagon werent as damage even though they were right next to the building. The man also said that the blast could have been too small to be from an airplane disaster , it could've been a missle. I've also read somewhere how that plane crash in pennsylvania was a plane that was flying too low and was shot down by one of our planes.

Frankly i dont really follow skeptics but from what i read up on , there is a possibility

DA_VIPA 09-15-2004 08:59 AM

I do feel sorry for the victims of that day. im sorry to post so late to this but ive sorta been busy and i feel as if its been staged by the american government themselves. how did osouma get so rich? hmmm only the americans can pay him so much money! the money he has can not be obtained in his country for gods sake that money cant be obtained in the whole friggin continent he lives in. and you would imagine that if a country gave you that much money you would be happy and yes anyone would be..but what would the government ask in return? perhaps a terrorist attack and he will be a scapegoat to them, the united states of america being the most powerfull country in the world has done itself no favours with the way they have treated poorer and less developed countries in the past ...well and in current times also. most countries despise america for their overall ignorance and america as a whole knows this and sept 11 is a perfect chance to earn the other countries sympathies and despise asian muslims it is sad that they are brainwashed so that they can kill themselves and wake up in paradise they contradict their own religion so its no just the americans who are to blame? or they are because the leader of the jihad squad of sept 11 was indeed osouma bin laden hmm? did we not read about america giving him lots of money perhaps this was HIS objective maybe he was the one who is told to brainwash those miss guided souls..i wish these stupid conspiracies would end HOW CAN YOU PPL LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT ISNT HONEST WITH ITS OWN PPL. thats all i got to say on the matter

Maori_Legend 09-15-2004 06:37 PM

it was quite funni seeing thoes guys jumping out of the building and falling, me and my mates were cracking up, well we were pissed at the time

Virtual Fighter 09-15-2004 06:40 PM

whaaattt? that was like the msot fliped up part about it; the people falling to their deaths.

sad.. sad... sad... ???

Zpower 09-15-2004 08:10 PM

9/11 will always be a memory to a nation who thought it was untouchable by the hands of outsiders with cruel intentions. 9/11 to me though however will only remind me how this world is so currupt with evil and a world of cruel people. I dont take sides, I only know facts. The fact is terrorist attacked USA so we attacked them. Doesnt really matter what happens before that, whatever reasons in war before that... Anyhow 9/11 was a sad day indeed. Though if people dont learn from these events and other events in the world. Other 9/11's will happen to not just USA but to EVERY country and every nation in this sad world we live in. Its the truth folks deal with it. Mankind will always wage war and there will always be two sides to everything. Well....untill the Earth is destroyed ofcourse...

DA_VIPA 09-16-2004 09:02 AM

ignorant americans...you treat the rest of the world like you own it ofcourse this will happen and personally rightly so but wrongly since its innocent that actually died. i wish some1 would nuke ur fliping government so the rest of the world could have some peace.

chadwickton 09-18-2004 09:43 PM

[quote:post_uid0="DA_VIPA"]I do feel sorry for the victims of that day. im sorry to post so late to this but ive sorta been busy and i feel as if its been staged by the american government themselves. how did osouma get so rich? hmmm only the americans can pay him so much money! the money he has can not be obtained in his country for gods sake that money cant be obtained in the whole friggin continent he lives in. and you would imagine that if a country gave you that much money you would be happy and yes anyone would be..but what would the government ask in return? perhaps a terrorist attack and he will be a scapegoat to them, the united states of america being the most powerfull country in the world has done itself no favours with the way they have treated poorer and less developed countries in the past ...well and in current times also. most countries despise america for their overall ignorance and america as a whole knows this and sept 11 is a perfect chance to earn the other countries sympathies and despise asian muslims it is sad that they are brainwashed so that they can kill themselves and wake up in paradise they contradict their own religion so its no just the americans who are to blame? or they are because the leader of the jihad squad of sept 11 was indeed osouma bin laden hmm? did we not read about america giving him lots of money perhaps this was HIS objective maybe he was the one who is told to brainwash those miss guided souls..i wish these stupid conspiracies would end HOW CAN YOU PPL LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT ISNT HONEST WITH ITS OWN PPL. thats all i got to say on the matter[/quote]
Osama is so rich because he father was a bigass oil tycoon in Saudi Arabia. And your saying how the continent inwhich the middle east lies on is Asia. Asia has the richest businesses in the whole world. Electronics,automobile , and other industries is where the money's at. The Middle East gets money by mainly selling petroleum products. The only money we really gave in the past to the Middle Eastern area was when the Russians were invaded Afghanistan in the late 1970's and 80's. Osama Bin Laden was born rich , America has dealed with the petroleum industry in Saudi Arabia. I mean the money we sent to Afghanistan in the 80's did do some effect, because a few years after that the Soviet Union fell. Also we suspected Osama Bin Laden because he was apart of a bombing of the world trade center in the earlier 90's. Vipa it maybe your government that brainwashed you, from the looks of it you appear to be more of a communist. Well wherever the hell your from chances are your country's in Iraq.
And you call me and ignorant American, looks like your the one who's ignorant on the topic.

asshole 09-18-2004 10:38 PM

FUUCK WORLD TRADE!!

WORLD TRADE I$ A DEATH MACHINE!

dominicankid098 09-18-2004 11:00 PM

You gothic children should really go through a bad experience.


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