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I wasn't speaking soley of that one quote. You quote all of my sentences chopped up, and that takes them all out of context. You only disprove a single sentence, and that's why you do that. You've yet to disprove an entire argument of mine, and you do that in all of your debates. You can say it's just what Joe does, but that's false. Joe disproves the entire argument, and he doesn't have to take things out of context to do it...
And, no, there is no elitisms. I said nothing of being superior; I only stated truth. To be honest, in all of America (even though America is a 'Christian Country'), very few are truly Christian. Even in the Bible it says that very few will be chosen. In a percentage, it could be estimated 25% of all people in the WORLD are true Christians. Thus, my statement is merely accurate and has nothing to do with being superior. It's highly doubtful that she truly hated HIM. I think it's obvious based completely on some facts here that you've given me and can be deductively reasoned. Fact: Eminem's mom didn't have very much money. Fact: Baby products are quite expensive. Fact: Babies take up a grand amount of time. Fact: She was unable to do most of the things she truly enjoyed doing. Now then, you can't condone her abuse of him. I'm not doing that, either, so don't go there. but, that is not the argument here. (You also couldn't disprove my argument about being thankful for the means God provides and toward that means, so don't forget that.) Eminem's mom, though not very well-established financially, still kept him and provided for him. In addition, she was content in doing what was necessary and alotting the necessary time to do it. She didn't like doing this, yet she did it anyways. Now then, we know she could have aborted him or put him up for adoption, yet she refused. This can only be explained logically by the fact that she did love him. You ask, why would she beat the one she loves? Well, people get angry at things (in her case, this situation), and they find ways to take it out. She found her way. Though it isn't the right way, it's her way. You speak of Eminem being mentally screwed-up because of his mom, but you forget that she's the same. She has her screws loose. No, that doesn't necessarily condone what she's done (in my opinion, even if someone who is completely insane kills someone, they need punishment), but you can't say that she didn't love him. People get violent lyrics from many sources, but a quote from the song by Saliva, "Click Click Boom" has something great to say about it. I don't remember it word for word, and I don't have the time to look it up, but the gist was that his parents weren't the best. They screwed up, too, but then he says something like "but you don't hear none of that crying ass bitching from me!" I won't say it's word for word, but that's the gist of it. They seem to have the right view; why can't Eminem do it? Furthermore, Eminem is not the only one with bad lyrics like that. The other people need to change theirs' as well. I thought I'd say that so I'm not accused of just singling Eminem out due to some personal hatred or whatever. And, that Hitler statement doesn't even fit. That has nothing to do with the situation at all. Eminem's mom didn't kill six million jews. She took anger out on Eminem. No, the gov't doesn't do everything right, but use examples that are current. Past mistakes mean nothing now. Let's try focusing on the present, shall we? The eugenics 'experiment' wasn't to try to make some race feel stupid. I clearly remember it being done to try to focus on how the government can help its citizens become up-to-par with the rest of the world. If you look at our literacy rate and overall intelligence in comparison to many other countries, we're very low. The government was just trying to help the citizens, and considering there are a high number of minority neighborhoods, ghettos, hoods, and things of that nature that don't involve whites, it seems like a logical take on this negative situation. And, the example of Manifest Destiny is stupid. NO, I DID NOT SAY YOU ARE STUPID; I SAID YOUR EXAMPLE WAS! There, now that that's cleared away... If you find that bad, then you find imperialism bad, for they are the exact same idea. Thus, that'd make you more anti-world than anti-America, if you ask me... Moreover, my examples I used for that take were merely to show that Eminem HAD to put that line about him not hating America in the song for a reason. He knew the song would come off anti-America because it is. That's bad publicity, so he put that line in there to cover his tracks. 'Tis time for school, but I suppose I can trust I'll be coming home to a few more posts undoubtedly against mine. Bwaha! I love this whole SFO Community vs. blaze thing. It's kind of fun... |
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Actually, I don't need to take a hint. I have been asked to continue the debate, and that's exactly what I'm doing. Furthermore, Chris has agreed with me on several points. I find it drastically amusing how I can sit here and have a debate and remain civilized in how I do it, yet you sit there and everything you say is either sarcastic, meant to hurt, rude, or something along those lines. This is a debate (I use that term lightly); not a "Let's all get pissed off" rant. I can know for a fact, just as all of you can, that marriages/relationships don't work (for the majority). I believe it's somewhere over half of all relationships/marriages don't work out. At least a third of children around the world get abused daily. Day after day after day, you can watch the news and hear about all the things that children everywhere have to put up with - things that make what Eminem went through child's play, yet they continue to live in high spirits. They don't complain about all the crap they go through or have gone through. And, even if they did, they aren't doing it publicly, selling records of nothing but why he hates his family, society, America, and everything else that may happen to give him a wrong look. The simple fact is, the censorship he fights against is there for a good reason. Kids around the world who get the chance to listen to his music don't think about whatever it is that he went through. They hear him hating on his mom, and they hear him talking about the whores and the sluts and all the times he's had sex. They don't think of what has caused it, and they don't think about what it means. They just hear, "I hate my mom." Or, they hear, "I want to 'f' you." The bottom line is, his lyrics are bad. It doesn't matter what he's gone through, and it doesn't matter how he feels. If he wants to rap, he should do so in a way that doesn't manipulate kids with bad influences. Like it or not, he's a role model, and he needs to act the part. And, then you dare call me out as some bad Christian? You don't even know what Christianity is all about. You don't care, either. Yet, you tell me I'm a bad Christian? It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what you're doing, or anything. You do NOT call out someone based on their religious preferences when you know next to NOTHING about them, and then tell them they're a 'bad *insert religion here*.' THAT, VF, is NOT how crap works. I've rephrased and rephrased my comment about MLK Jr. and how my message is that I hate the attention and respect and praise he gets when he's undeserving of it. And, no, I'm not even going to get into that debate again. So, don't EVER say I'm not a good Christian, and don't you EVER comment on my religious beliefs again unless you're trying to learn or something along those lines. Due to your crappy attitude and obvious prejudice against me, including your comment about my religion, I'm exiting myself from this debate before I say something I regret later. Thanks for pissing me off, and I hope you have a simply SPLENDID day.
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every album gets leaked lol......... even Em can't be protected from that.........
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VF and Blaze I'm sorry to but in here like this but what the hell does the stuff y'all are talking about have to do with eminem...
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we were debating about his mom, and how i say led to his being fducked in the head, he said that she was a saint. eminem doesnt like sencorship, nor do i. blaze loves sencorship, and thinks eminem should be censored. we're takling about eminem being a role model, and about kids listening to him. did you even read anything we wrote? |
Nope sorry I didn't read it I read parts...and it didn't seem like it was about eminem...DO YOU SEE HOW LONG IT IS?! I ain't got time to read it. but i will put in my 2 cents, I believe that no one should be censored. Why because it is how they are feeling? Rappin' is like poetry at times. You don't see ppl censoring it most of the times. but if they do want to restrict it then could just make sure you are eighteen when you buy it or you have to get the edited version...Which probably won't work because ppl would just copy other ppl's cd's or get someone who is 18 to get it.
Do I believe he should be a role model? He surely ain't no mother Theresa. but he does tell us to stand for what we believe in. And it is not as though he can help that ppl see him as a role model. If ppl get mad at that then they shouldn't be blaming Eminem they should be blaming what ever got the person feeling that way. |
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also, i dont think people should be blaming eminem for when 6 year olds dress all gangsta and call eminem their role model. blame the PARENTS. because if you let your kids dress gangsta, listen to eminem and even model their lives after eminem, it's not eminems fault, it's the parents fault for letting it happen. its like when fat people blame mchdonalds for making them fat. |
A fierce battle between those two I would post something longar a ferocious but go to watch smallville itz on and it is good man is this battle between vf and blaze almost ova ?
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I've already said I exit this debate. I won't be apart of anything or anyone who disses me from a religious stand point. I do not and will not tolerate it. Furthermore, I never said his mom was a saint. I merely said she isn't as bad as Eminem makes her out to be, and that Eminem has no right to do what he does to her... It's obvious here that this community is democratic, and that is the very reason my ideas are shunned here. What's so hilarious, is that it doesn't matter how logical, supported, or obviously true my information is, it will never be able to change anyone here's mind, for y'all are democrats, and I'm a republican. I see very few other republicans here. So, please refrain from dragging me into this debate any further.
And, just so I don't have to make yet another topic that wastes bandwidth, I'd just like to say I'm leaving. I don't find a point in being here as I seldom actually play SFO and no one here shares my believes and therefore, I am fighting a losing battle. I'm rather sick of being on the business end of everyone's "You're wrong, and I'm right" simply because I'm a Christian Republican. but, this thread is not for good-byes. I just didn't feel like making another thread. Good-bye, and thanks to those of you who actually accepted my thoughts. Have fun, and enjoy yourselves. |
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aww come on vf your both intelligient. :alien:
you both can be the bigga man. :biggrin: You fought wit wordz what has to be next ego pride and anger slurz and random pissing pot contestz? I hope this truly is not a tex@$ v$ $anfran$ico thing itz pointlesz. Your both great statez why the skateboarder vs the cowboy ok corral shoot out ??? Your both respectable memberz and vipz yall set an example fo lil kidz oh d forum right or wrong? What legacy do you want to leave behind should you disappear of the earth? |
Well, it doesn't even matter about eminem's mom nowbecause he barely raps about her anymore, so....
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Who the fluck is Blaze? Are u Nantanko Joes lil brother?
lol blaze said rock and rap are diffrent and are a totaly diffrent lvl. I like the song "Lets go" How rapper Trick daddy took a sample from ozzy osbornes song. Yes even that guitar sole is sick. Jay-z 99 problems, do I even have to say the great mans name behind that song? "Rick Rubin". And who cant forget DMC/walk this way. As for the E boy, my nig ronney already got it on bootleg with the bonus and shiznt so im cop that form him. |
the grey album is proof rock and rap are NOT that different.
DJ danger mouse mixed the beatles' white album, some say it is the best rock album every conceived, with jay-z's the black album, which some say (i do too) is the greatest rap album ever. he added the beats from the beatles and the vocals of jayz, and what you get is the grey album. (get it, black album + white album = grey album?) the beats were seamless, and it worked so well. we shouldn't segregate the two artforms, we should combine them and create a new generation of amazing music. |
Heres a quote from me yay... "Music will always be diverse, as long as people are different. Since (Ax + Bx = C then B - C x = A) .... think about it..."
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^^ your equation makes no sence... i tried it and i got 3 - 20 = 4 :(
i think you're reffering to A + B = C then B - C = A. it's called the subtraction property of equality, and i'm still not sure how that applies to music being different. |
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Hahahahaha.....right on the button. By the way... DAMMIT BLAZE! I TOLD YOU TO STAY OFF MY COMPUTER! IF YOU'RE SO PRO-WINDOWS, KEEP OFF MY UBER MAC!! As for the entire rap/rock thing.... I havn't read the topic, nor do I intend to. but it was brought to my attention that a large contingent of people have said, in this thread, that rock and rap music are similar and alike, with very few differences...and their "proof" was the large amount of rappers who will take a cut from a rock song and add in some snare and extra drums and whatnot and turn it into a beat for a rap song. Now hear me clearly. This does not make rock and rap similar. It just means that those rappers who have to use rock songs for their own beats apparently can't come up with good beats of their own. Rock and rap are two opposites....they're north and south, top and bottom, hot and cold, Oprah and Weight Watchers, George bush and a brain, John Kerry and charisma......catch my drift? The two have very little....if anything....in common. Let me educate you kids a little: Rock music is performed with multiple members in their group or band, and each member has a different role in the band. Each member plays a different instrument (guitar, bass guitar, drums, etc), and there is a frontman, who is the vocalist--he or she can either do nothing but vocalize, or vocalize AND play an instrument--usually guitar--at the same time. Rock music, for the most part, is predominently comprised of guitar and bass guitar music, including a heavy emphasis on the drums. The music itself is constantly changing...it's a song that's constantly flowing and changing (for the most part, that is). Songs usually have a period without vocalization, which is used solely for instrumentals, possibly guitar riffs or drum solos. Rock is performed mostly by members of the caucasian race (with exceptions, of course), and breaks down into various categories including alternative, punk/ska, and metal. Song lyrics and references vary drastically, and sometimes or usually require a firm intellectual understanding to grasp their true meanings. Rap is usually performed by a single person....sometimes with one or two others. With only VERY FEW exceptions, there is no true instrumentation involved...no guitar, drums, or other instruments. The background music is usually created electronically, using computers, sound recorders, synthesizers, etc. The background music "beats" are comprised primarily of drum beats (usually and primarily the bass drum) with other "digitally mixed" music mixed in, and is mostly repetitive in nature, occuring in sequences of three or four beats, then repeat. If there is a single rapper, he or she generally vocalizes in sync with the beat throughout the song...if there are multiple rappers, turns are usually taken. Rap is mostly performed by african-americans (with exceptions, of course), and breaks down into a couple categories (gangsta rap is the only one that comes to mind, i can't think of the official name of any other categories). Most of the lyrics pertain to urban life or life in the inner city or ghettos and hip-hop culture. Now please tell me how rock and rap are one and the same Edited By Shauku on 1100294625 |
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Okay... first off welcome Nantuko joe... I see your green texts haven't lost their valour :biggrin: In any sense, you'll know the only reason I'm posting here and now is cause I in fact do not agree with ur concepts about rap and rock being totally different in their production. Of course, there're both 2 different genre of music.. but that does not mean they have nothing in common. If my memory serves well, one piece in fact CAME from the other one. I won't jump into any conclusions as to which came first, but I'll give you the scoop when time and brain power permits. You said and I quote... Quote:
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Of course, most of them are meaningful, and as for rap as well, you'll have a lot of meaningful lyrics to some of the songs. There's a few of them... but I won't bore you by listing them. In any case, the point I'm trying to bring is that you'll always find some of the elements from one genre in the other and vice versa. Something about rap would be in rock.. and something about rock would be in rap. That's why the joint venture by Aerosmith and Run DMC was a success. You could basically mix up both worlds and come up with something lovely. Check out Linkin Park's In the end. I still find myself struggling to categorize that song as to whether it's a rap song or a rock song. Why?? Just like you say.. it has repeatitive beats... care to argue?? I'm listening to it right now :biggrin: And then you have this show on MTV (can't quite get the name) that feature Snoop Dogg freestyling to the instrumentals by a rock group. So no matter how you look at it, there'll always be similarities :biggrin: |
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Snoop Dogg & Korn Jay-Z & Linkin Park(And the song, " In the End" is just about rap throught the whole thing except for the chorus) Trick Daddy using part of Ozzy's song And Lil' John & Blink 182 Xzbit & Blink 182 NOW I DARE SOMEONE TO TELL ME THAT RAP AND ROCK ARN'T EVEN CLOSE TO SIMILAR! :angry: Edited By HELLOTHERE on 1100307987 |
hehe.. yeah yeah.. let's rally behind VF and shout at Joe XD
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[color=#000000]Hello again blanka, long time no debate. Hopefully DM will get off his drunken butt and get BG back up so I can get back to debating full-time.
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However, when they actually TRIED to go for various rap/rock collaboration remixes on their "Reanimation" album, they turned out rather....poorly. Yes, it was interesting to listen to the changeups they made, but in the end (no pun intended), it wasn't a good collaborative effort. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a big LP fan. Just didn't like their efforts in Reanimation. -- Something I should have clarified on, however, was that the exception is that not ALL rock songs are devoid of the repetitive beats. Tracks that come to mind (at 2:52am EST, so don't get disappointed at my lack of examples) are "I'll Be Watching You" by Sting, "Kashmir" by Led Zeppelin (as well as "When the Levee Breaks," which has quite possibly one of the most ripped-off drum tracks in music history), "Dream On" by Aerosmith, and some track from Ozzy that I heard some rapper took, can't remember which. Note the latter point though, that they're all tracks that were taken by rappers, remixed, and used for background music--Puff Daddy using "I'll Be Watching You" and "Kashmir," making the songs "I'll Be Missing You," and "Come With Me," respectively; "Dream On" which was used by Eminem. Snoop Dogg once tried to rap to a version of Metallica's "Sad but True," and Kid Rock pretty much took the hard copy full-version background music to the same song for his "American Badass." Hence the exceptions to the rule, which apparently are oft-reaped for their usability in the rap industry. Quote:
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I seen on a site the songs it has on it and its good it has his hit so Just loose it on there and thats my favorite song.
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Ermm...I WAS looking at the overall picture, which was paraphrased when I said "Note also, that ALL of the above listed collaborations, including the ones I listed (sans "I'll Be Missing You" sucked." The Linkin Park cut that you mentioned is exempt though, since it wasn't an outside collaboration. Now had you said Linkin Park's "H! VLTG3," or just about any other song on Reanimation, then it would be included in what I said, because they all included vocal tracks from rappers in an attempt to make a good collaboration, and they all sucked. |
Hmm..this topic has been deemed morphable :biggrin:
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I thought they deleted this thread. Well there is no point for it anymore.
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