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well if they test good then you have no worries unless they cheat on you...

umm.... what?

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that...is totally wrong...women have their own lives instead of being house wives. therez plenty of women out there that have jobs and work just like men. in my words, i think women work harder than men do. women have to supposedly take care of the children, AND do house work and many women work as well too! I think thatz like ANOTHER job than they might already have! and THEY dun get paid to do that job...

and men are NOT "supposed to be the 'superior' family members." Women can be just as superior.

Please use grammar, and your missing the whole point. Yes I know they have their own lives, but marriage symbolizes the man owning the woman. Sure the woman can do things even when she is married, but it symbolizes that the man owns the woman. Is there a point for marriage? No! I know most of you girls want to get married(j00 wAnT dAt pUrttY dR322 dAt c02t 1,000 dollars, waste of time.)

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thatz not tru either... women ARE as good as men. u might not see them in politics as much as men cuz u wanna kno why? sexist ppl out there...also women have their own lives, having a job, and doing wutever they want to do. u can't say that they are only almost as good as men. hell therez a whole bunch of WOMEN out there who have better jobs, and are smarter than MEN. and wasn't this debate on marriage? why are we talking about women compared to men. YOU may think that they are not as good as men and i bet many males think that too. but thatz wrong, cuz therez many women who are smarter than men, more educated than men, and i could just keep going on and on. Just like our president rite now. (sry for all of u bush lovers) bush in my eyes and many other ppl'z eyes is down right stupid. and therez prob thousands of women out there that could do a better job.

I'm not discussing anything about jobs, I'm saying that man owns the woman when they get married, I know women can have just as good jobs(in America), but marriage = man owning the woman.

And it is true in other countries that women are treated poorly, and yes I agree Bush is an idiot.

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now for the marriage debate. i think marriage does NOT mean that the "men own the women." Marriage is about love and commitment. yes there are divorces but thatz only if the love you felt for him/her wasn't the same, or ne other reason. marriage is about the male and the female (...or whichever) coming together and being EQUAL because they love eachother. and also marriage doesn't always end up in divorce. therez plenty of married couples out there that are STILL married and they're pretty darn old. If the love is strong enough, the marriage will pull through and prosper.

Oh don't give me that bull ####! "marriage is for the man loving the woman, divorce is when they don't love eachother the same". You can still love eachother a whole lot without marriage, if you love eachother that much, just bang eachother and make babies!

Why do I see people marrying eachother for no reason? they don't love eachother so much... and why do the men go to bachelor parties? To enjoy they're last life before they love the woman? That only expresses you trully don't love the woman.

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TarkanX just lost it... Everybody has their own opinions, maybe this dude just had it rough

Once you get to see wherever you go where there's lots of woman there, yet they don't both... oh forget it...

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anyways, stop it with the feminine views. no one is saying one sex is superior to the other. we're just saying that once you get married, the woman is USUALLY discredited compared to the man.

exactly what I'm trying to say.

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I agree with AngelWings.I may be a boy and young,but I have smart perspectives on life.Women are equal or greater than men in many different ways.They could be strong/stronger, fast/faster,smart/smarter,work harder(not equally unless they are the type who waste time on theirselves,but there are not a lot of these.Thus,most women work harder in cooking,working,babying,caring for,and counciling)and a crapload of other things.I actually usually prefer women to most things over men because they don`t have as large egos as men.Of course,some may,I`m not judging them as one whole living being.I don`t go around saying "women are evil",but only some women are evil,most will help me out in everything.And where did you you hear that thing about Pakistan?Get it from an 1800s newspaper or an actual source?Such as that in Japan,the women are never forced in any way to obey filial piety (the rule where the husband is superior and first male child is in second).I haven`t heard of any official law now.But the only reason men "seem superior" (holds up two fingers on each hand)is because men who create certain businesses (only created the business by helpers who thought men were best)passed it on to their workers,who only think men are better because 1)They are a man,or 2)They are possibly a woman who was raised in a guy society.Main point;most females are better than males,while a small percentage of males are like me(smart,able to defend himself,sensitive,and doesn`t judge anyone).

And how the heck did this change from marriage again?Well,from my opinion,marriage should only be an option if you like every single thing about your partner and every ambition.And I still don`t see why you need rings or the female changing her last names.What`s wrong with boys changing their last names to the girls or just keep their names.Actually,marriage is only optional if the pair believe they want to feel okay instead of embarrassed that they share the house and children.Practically,it seems kind of like a waste of money,time,and space.I see nothing wrong with staying together without marriage.

I won't even respond to this....

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"no one is saying one sex is superior to the other" u kno...u just did: "woman doesn't care about being a little under rated compared to the man." rite there ur saying that men are "superior" to women. i also didn't start this one sex is superior to another...

"anyways, stop it with the feminine views." Why? i wouldn't have brought up all the "feminine views" if ppl didn't start saying that males are superior to females. if in this debate only masculine views can be seen and heard then i'm sorry...but i think that most of the males out there should to kno that women are just as good as men and not inferior. of course some males think that they are...

You were the person that brought up feminine views, not me or vegeta. I've been saying this so much now. Marriage = man owning the woman. ITS FACT! IT HAS BEEN PROVEN, THERE FOR ANYTHING YOU SAY TO COUNTER AGAINST IS INVALID!

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Ok, heres the deal.Women are sensative,but mentally strong.Men are sensative,but hide there feelings not to appear weak.How do we define weak?Sharing feelings is weak...sounds brave to me.Men are Physically stronger than MOST women not all(Scary body building women).Also there is the that sense women aren't..dominant during sexual activity that they are weaker.Well, the over all view is this if two men walked through a wedding would that not look odd.Have you ever noticed that two women is consider ok.So look at it that way in reality woman have mentally advanced in society so much that commericals are based on them.So saying a women is better than a man might be an understatment....

I'm not saying the man is better than the woman in everyway, I'm saying in marriage, the man owns the woman, but that still doesn't mean the man is better than the woman. I for one think that they are all equal at everything, but then again, the animal habitat sort of proves it.

Gorilla's = male dominant
feline = male dominant
spider = female dominant

You see, animal habitat's can change.... but ssince we are way smarter than the animals, we can then clearly see that we are all equal.

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in the beginning, God created man first b4 woman and both of them were blessed to enherit the earth which means both two have equal rights to govern God's creations

How do you know God created man first? Do you have proof?

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but there are some things a woman cant do that a man can, wanna know.....?

standing when urinating

..... But I've seen some porn clips when the female urinates in the toilet while standing.

Listen, this is not a debate about the man being superior to the woman, this is about when they get married, the man owns the woman.

Don't bring up feminine views for they are useless in this topic.

yep yep, that's true

no need for marriage if you are not completely devoted to your partner. otherwise, marriage just puts restrictions on your love life.

it all depends on who u r...and how u believe

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]yep yep, that's true

no need for marriage if you are not completely devoted to your partner. otherwise, marriage just puts restrictions on your love life.[/quote]
I think Tarkan is trying to say that Marrige is useless no matter if ur in love or not in love. Well oviously Tarkan is not a religious person, he dosent follow traditional Customs that many people seem to have developed over the Centuries.

I think that marrige is all in a person opinion, either i want to get married or i dont ever want to get married.

Yeah its true, you can Be in Love and not get married. But why not get married? Maybe you've noticed or not by this isnt the 1600's, We are aware of problems in the world. Maybe thats why ur debating the whole marrige thing.

Some people see marrige as a Religious thing, some people see it as a Love thing, some people see it as owning a woman or some people just want to get some. When i saw this topic and the first thing that poped into my head is Love and Religion. Whats so bad about Getting married? I bet in a couple of years Tarkan will probably be married. I cant garantee that for sure because im not sure how strongly he believes in his Views on marrige.

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Getting Married= Owning a Woman, its proven

I really dont think anyone can prove that. How many people in here actually get married to own a woman? Getting married just shows on how much u matured, respect, Love and many other things u dont get if u dont marry.

Im not sure what to say anymore? If its really actually proven, then why are so many people Disaproving with you? It might seem like Marring is owning a women because of the responsibilities you under go when ur married, but that is not the case.

If u dont get married and live with ur GF and have kids dosent the mother have to take care more of the baby those First months? Dosnt the Dad have to work so he can take care of the mother and the baby those first months that the baby was born? Dont you have to share responsibilities on house work, taking care of Jr., Paying the bills, Garden work and all sorts of stuff?

Sounds pretty much like ur married even tho ur not. You dont have to get married its true, but gettting married is just one way to show that ur going to be with her, that u have to asume ur responsibility, that youve matured, that u respect her, and that you are so in love with person that u are willing to show it by getting married.

Whats going to happen when your child is 4 or 5 and tells you "dad, why didnt u marry mommy? is it cause u dont love her?" and you say "Well son, its because getting married is a waste of time and money and getting married is just a way of owning a woman" do u think that ur son is going to understand that? Hes going to think that you just dont care about him our his mother.

So i dont knwo about you guys but im getting married. I have a 2 year old boy and i just want him to grow up in a loving home. Im not married and thats not working for me, so ive made my decition.

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It does, but so can not getting married.

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Im not sure what to say anymore? If its really actually proven, then why are so many people Disaproving with you? It might seem like Marring is owning a women because of the responsibilities you under go when ur married, but that is not the case.

They aren't disproving anything, they are only using feminine views, which is futile in this debate.

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If u dont get married and live with ur GF and have kids dosent the mother have to take care more of the baby those First months? Dosnt the Dad have to work so he can take care of the mother and the baby those first months that the baby was born? Dont you have to share responsibilities on house work, taking care of Jr., Paying the bills, Garden work and all sorts of stuff?

Of course, but marriage = man owning the woman. That(what you said) does not symbolize the man owning the woman.

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Sounds pretty much like ur married even tho ur not. You dont have to get married its true, but gettting married is just one way to show that ur going to be with her, that u have to asume ur responsibility, that youve matured, that u respect her, and that you are so in love with person that u are willing to show it by getting married.

Marriage doesnt show anything. You can marry soemone, and then within 3 months divorce. Or you can marry someone only for their money. Marriage does not equal love. Do gorillas get married? do spiders? They don't get married, they just bang eachother, and make babies, that's it.

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Whats going to happen when your child is 4 or 5 and tells you "dad, why didnt u marry mommy? is it cause u dont love her?" and you say "Well son, its because getting married is a waste of time and money and getting married is just a way of owning a woman" do u think that ur son is going to understand that? Hes going to think that you just dont care about him our his mother.

People are trying to get so caught up with the program, besides, if I ever have a child(which seems not likely at this moment), I'll just say whatever you said. If the child is literate, the child will understand.

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So i dont knwo about you guys but im getting married. I have a 2 year old boy and i just want him to grow up in a loving home. Im not married and thats not working for me, so ive made my decition.

Your decision is your decision, I'm not in anyway to change it, I'm not trying to pursuade you, I'm just saying marriage is a bad thing, and the girls that post here saying marriage is good, after all this crap I've said is an idiot.

i have no idea where the hell u got that in marriage the "man owns the woman"... and who said marriage is good? this debate is about wut marriage actually is not if itz good or not. if i said that itz good then just ignore it cuz this debate is about what marriage actually is. and in marriage, in my words, it doesn't mean the "man owns the woman"

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Then why get married? If you say you trully love eachother, and you proved it by making babies, why get married?

Tarkan are you ever going to marry?

Are you so confident in your believe that you can actually say that you will never marry someone?

Tupac: No I won't marry, whoever I'm going to be with, I want them to be free, have just as the same, equal oppurtunities as me, even better, and at least able to travel wherevever she goes.

I'm confident in saying I'll never marry someone. Sure I can make babies with someone, but I won't marry someone.

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]Sure I can make babies with someone, but I won't marry someone.[/quote]
lol, for some reason, that sounds really funny

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]Tupac: No I won't marry, whoever I'm going to be with, I want them to be free, have just as the same, equal oppurtunities as me, even better, and at least able to travel wherevever she goes.

I'm confident in saying I'll never marry someone. Sure I can make babies with someone, but I won't marry someone.[/quote]
Hmm so let me get this right you would bring a life into this world,and still not marry the mother...pssshhh.

Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it.

Tupac, the man does own the woman,but thats because she lets him.The reason the woman lets the man own her is because when you marry there are "VOWS" one is to PROTECT andlove your wife.Religion takes a big part in marriage...because true christians can't have sexual activity tell marriage....

Very nice veiws everyone...

I plain to marry someday....

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it.[/quote]
stop acting so naive.

do you think tarkan hasn't taken that into consideration when he started this debate? i'm sure he knows how powerful true love can be. but that's why he doesn't want to marry. it's cause he doesn't want the female to feel "owned" by him. if he truly loves someone, i'm sure he doesn't want to make it seem to the world that he "owns" his mate

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"][quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it.[/quote]
stop acting so naive.[/quote]
Fool....

I realize this prince,but when a man,an woman are married the woman wants the man to own her in a sense.More like she wants to be protected by the man.

Actually, TarkanX stated that he isn't very religious so I question if he truthly understands love....thats why I made that naive comment...*sighs*....rookie.J/K

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Hmm so let me get this right you would bring a life into this world,and still not marry the mother...pssshhh

Gorilla's bring life into the world, they don't marry, I can name various animals.

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Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it

That's about... 20 dollars I'm going to get? And be sure to mail it to me.

Real smooth Tarkan...reeal smooth.

I plan on getting married. Half of the reason is because I'm a Christian. The other half is................................................ ........................................
............................nevermind.

what the...whered this guy come from...? And what's he trying to get at.

You people are just bringing up the same things Tark and I were debating earlier. You're just making him repeat his responses. We all have our own opinions...I don't think anything that any of us say will change that.

I have fallin in love 2 times in my life so far one was a not true love but this one is her name is jayme and every time i see her she makes me smile see makes me feel like iam some one cool i call her every day and some times we dont talk and some times we talk for 12 hours no $hit.She loves me too i can tell ill do anything for her.thats what true love is i never stop thinking of here.

YEAH SORRY :shocked:

^^Yeah...ok...

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what the...whered this guy come from...? And what's he trying to get at.

Are you referring to me?

who the hell are you. ???

:shocked: Dumb question...thats why I have a name. And if you're not referring to me...

[quote:post_uid0="Gotenks13"]:shocked: Dumb question...thats why I have a name. And if you're not referring to me...[/quote]
what ever ding KID!!!

Now I'm confused...

Someone please post on topic...

yes gotenks I was referring to you...

And that's...sweet...mastermax....loving a girl...that much....her making you feel so tingly inside...I'm sure it's a nice feeling....

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"][quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it.[/quote]
stop acting so naive.[/quote]
Fool....

I realize this prince,but when a man,an woman are married the woman wants the man to own her in a sense.More like she wants to be protected by the man.

Actually, TarkanX stated that he isn't very religious so I question if he truthly understands love....thats why I made that naive comment...*sighs*....rookie.J/K[/quote]
that's ridiculous. it's stereotypical to think that a woman needs the protection of a man. it's just the same as saying that a woman isn't strong enough to protect herself and she needs a man to protect her because she is inferior to the male.

and atheists can also understand true love, i don't know where you get that crap about only religious ppl can understand love.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]

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that's ridiculous. it's stereotypical to think that a woman needs the protection of a man. it's just the same as saying that a woman isn't strong enough to protect herself and she needs a man to protect her because she is inferior to the male.

and atheists can also understand true love, i don't know where you get that crap about only religious ppl can understand love.

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I said a woman does want the man to protect her in MARRIAGE.The man wants the Woman to be LOYAL in marriage.(So does the man).

The statement about love I made is this= Often this generation,and time gets wanting to have babies confused with love.

Now, all of you smartass scientist that don't believe in a GOD explain love.Love can't be seen,but you know it's there.God can't be seen,but great things happen when you pray to him.Hell, if you pay attention in Social Study type classes you would absorb that a man named Jesus was in fact born,and was a profit.Now, if you don't believe in a supreme being I question you if you even understand love at all.

nuff said...

religion and love are two things. love everyone can experience and everyone believes is true, but religion is controversial.

Hmm prince is some what correct,

It seems to me that you and SBYRD5 are rivals from the way you both post Princevegetam. I think that religion can't be dicussed at the same level as something like love.

Marriage is a commitment made between two people. It doesn't always have to have huge ceremonies behind it, but it is a commitment of protection, loyalty, and aid. People have the right to marry if they want. They don't have to, though, and choosing to not marry does not make a totally significant difference. Yes, love does play a part in this, but that's only one step of the way. However much that you want to say "marriage=man owning a woman", I'm telling you right now that there can't be any marriage without an agreement of both sides. Because of this, both genders are able to get married and/or reject a proposal of marriage. Also, marriage exists in ALL religion, and even in terms of no religion. It doesn't have to be a big huge ceremony, a party, or anything. It just has to be a commitment of love, loyalty, protection, and aid to be true.

I guess I'm on Roll's side on this subject..

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Now, all of you smartass scientist that don't believe in a GOD explain love.Love can't be seen,but you know it's there.God can't be seen,but great things happen when you pray to him.Hell, if you pay attention in Social Study type classes you would absorb that a man named Jesus was in fact born,and was a profit.Now, if you don't believe in a supreme being I question you if you even understand love at all.

I believe in God(a higher power), I just don't have any religions. I want to go somewhere good when I die.

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That can be the same without getting married, that is all I have to say for now.

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I guess I'm on Roll's side on this subject..

Do us all a favor, and stop kissing ass.

An advantage for not marrying is that you won't feel guilty when you look at porn...cough

[quote:post_uid0="DanYankees"]An advantage for not marrying is that you won't feel guilty when you look at porn...cough[/quote]
Lol..To me..marriage should be nothing but loving and caring for your spouse. The Man should love, care, support and aid his wife allways, if a man cannot do this for there wife..then the marriage will be bad..and also shows theres no love bond between them. Marriage should open the doors of love..not close them.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll's Friend"]Hmm prince is some what correct,

It seems to me that you and SBYRD5 are rivals from the way you both post Princevegetam. I think that religion can't be dicussed at the same level as something like love.[/quote]
hmph, i'm just tired of him always going in the wrong direction.

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That can be the same without getting married, that is all I have to say for now.

....You really wanted to say something, didn't you? Well, like I said, marriage is just a commitment. It doesn't have to have a ceremony behind it. It just has to be a commitment of loyalty, protection, and aid between two beings who love each other.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]hmph, i'm just tired of him always going in the wrong direction.[/quote]
No princevegetam I think you often critize my corrrect opinions,and tend to always differ...from the truth...

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Hmm so let me get this right you would bring a life into this world,and still not marry the mother...pssshhh.

Tark, when you do fall in love truthly(I mean deeply) you'd marry I bet my lunch money on it.

Tupac, the man does own the woman,but thats because she lets him.The reason the woman lets the man own her is because when you marry there are "VOWS" one is to PROTECT andlove your wife.Religion takes a big part in marriage...because true christians can't have sexual activity tell marriage....

Very nice veiws everyone...

I plain to marry someday....[/quote]
First get into my situation then talk.

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I guess I'm on Roll's side on this subject..

Do us all a favor, and stop kissing ass.

Fanally i agree with you on something Tarkan.

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i know there just dots by steventhebol, but it explains alot lol :buttrock:

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]hmph, i'm just tired of him always going in the wrong direction.[/quote]
No princevegetam I think you often critize my corrrect opinions,and tend to always differ...from the truth...[/quote]
use grammar and i might be able to comprehend what you're saying

some men con other girls to mary the men to make love

Im not gonna take the time to read each and every damn page, but after reading the first 4, i think i see why people cant agree: we're agruing about two different things

The PRO-marriage side is looking at it correctly--theyre looking at what marriage is supposed to be and ideally is.

The Con side is looking at how it is practiced as a majority around the world. Thats not a good view to take in this discussion--we're looking at why people in the USA and or Britain and or canada get married; the standard of living and treatment of women in places like these is much higher than elsewhere. Whether marriage is abused most of the time is besides the point; what matters is how it will be used by the people in this discussion

Marriage is like a promise, and you could take the same viewpoint with promises--why make them? people break them.

But that isnt what matters. Promises are made with the hope that people will keep them, and marriages are made as a commitment to the woman or man you love that you will never leave them. Sure people divorce, but it is the people who are flawed, not marriage itself.

Why get married--it accomplishes nothing:thats not the point. Saying "good-night", or "I love you" accomplishes nothing practical, but people do it anyways. Theres more to life than accomplishing practical things.