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Sure they are humans... but tell me what the difference is with this embryo and a being robbed at gun point. At that point, the harsh reality is YOU are a choice.. You're gonna be killed.. or spared. So there's absolutely nothing you can do.
That's just the harsh reality of it. You think you're worth everything cause you're a human.. but it's ironic that not everyone thinks so.. or there won't be the epitom of slavery.. and of course, you won't get the case of abortion... but unfortunately, I always say... this isn't an ideal/perfect world. So once in a while a defenceless human would be a choice... (be it the choice of life or death.. or something else) for another human to make. |
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kester: say theres this girl that wanted an abortion. but you dont want her to get it. are you gonna tell her what and what not to do? if she wants to get an abortion, thats HER business. its her fourth amendmant rights to privacy. unless she your daughter or wife, you have no say in what a woman or the millions in this country can do to herself. its her fourth amendmant rights and her choice on what she should do to the embryo WITHIN her. its not like she carrying it around on her back. BTW: did ya ever stopped and thought that the condom could break? |
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kester: say theres this girl that wanted an abortion. but you dont want her to get it. are you gonna tell her what and what not to do? if she wants to get an abortion, thats HER business. its her fourth amendmant rights to privacy. unless she your daughter or wife, you have no say in what a woman or the millions in this country can do to herself. its her fourth amendmant rights and her choice on what she should do to the embryo WITHIN her. its not like she carrying it around on her back. BTW: did ya ever stopped and thought that the condom could break?[/quote] yeah its law if i was in that situation i wouldnt want to um let her have an abortion but its her call and even though i dont like um the idea of leting her have one but um i respect um womens right and so um is up to her but as u said it is also not legal too abort to late and thats where all that technicle laws and constitution comes into play but just because of that um it dont mean she wont abort a better idea then aborting is having it for adoption well i did an extensive paper on abortion i could um go more into detail about partial abortion and all the other methods of adoption but um i dont want to, well is not a good idea but if a gurl feels like she needs to abort its her choice we just need to understand that watever we do we will be right there with them and if the guy wants to stop her maybe um reverse psychology is the solution well not exactly but um just letting them know ur right there with the gurl no matter wat um can maybe change her mind thats my um advice to all the ppl in that sitution. THE GUY & GURL MUST UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND DO WATS BEST buT REMEMBER ALWAYS IN THE END ITS THE GURLS DECISION. |
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You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her! Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living. If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise. And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted. |
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You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her! Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living. If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise. And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.[/quote] yo wat u say is true but um come to reality its always um the gurls choice however u look at it its always up to her and reality is that um it doesnt matter if there are moral precepts wat counts is ethics morals is diff from ethics and no matter ifur catholic many cathonlics still look at abortion as bad and believe in their religion but they are just as well hipocrites but um yeah i agree on wat u have to say about life and care more about living it and trying to find the postive things but sometimes someones life is just fool of too many wrongs or too many bad memories and u must remember that not every one is da same every one is different. |
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You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her! Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living. If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise. And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.[/quote] I agree the girl/woman should take birth control if she does not want kids there is no need for abortion...All Vf thinks about is the negative things...Use more then 1 condom or if she doesnt want any kids ever get her tubes tied!...there is no need for abortion...oooo the babys gonna grow up in the ghetto omg...wow!alot of people have grown up in the ghetto and changed do you by any chance know who judge joe mathis is?he grew up in the ghetto sold drugs was in gangs and everything but he changed and became a judge so growing up in the ghetto doesnt mean spit......just because he grows up in the ghetto doesnt mean he/she will do bad in school...doesnt mean he/she will use drugs..doesnt mean he/she will join gangs...What if the father wants the baby and she never tells him shes pregnant because she scared he might leave her and she goes too kill the baby when he finds out then he would b pissed because i know i would!... |
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dominicankid: freedom of religion. do you know what that means? you better check the bill of rights cause me and VF aint gonna waste our time explaining it.
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i was reading some people's post mostly vf's and a couple of others. Vfs main argument seems to be this, abortion is better then forcing a child to A) live a potential abusive life
B) get trapped in an adoption system for a number of years(i think he said 5 years) So there seems to be 3 options available for a a teen parent who knows they can't raise their child properly. 1) abortion 2) adoption 3) try to do the best they can and raise the child Vf chooses abortion because he belives that more often than naught option 3 results in an abusive environment for the child resulting in the child that may become abusive as well. Demographics prove this. Vf believes that the adoption system also causes pain/unwanted stress to the child. So his conclusion is that abortion is the best option. My point is this you seem to believe in option one being the best because under the current system option 2 is well crappy. It seems better to me that we should make the adoption system better, quicker, safer for the child. Let's assume that the adoption process took roughly one year to go through, and had good results in finding parents who aren't abusive and can and WILL provide a good environment. Under these circumstances how can you say yes to abortion? Also i noticed in your first post that you said something about how the federal law prohibits 2nd tri mester abortions but allows first tri mester abortions. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not but if you plot out the logic paths of that post as in a format like this: Conclusion Premise1 sub premise1 etc There is an implied premise that would be something like this"Because the federal law allows 1st tri mester abortions it's ok to do 1st tri mester abortions" Someone could through a counter argument about how in the past federal laws or any laws of past civilizations could be unjust. there point would be that just because it is a federal law does not mean it is right or "just" I was just informing you about the implied premise not saying the premise is good/bad/right/wrong |
Are you adopted by any chance? I most highly doubt it. Adoption is better than having no family at all. I know so because one of my cousins was adopted and he knows he was adopted. And he is living the life he likes. What if they grow up handicapped or mentally disabled by insest? Really, you are talking about straight up Kentucky lifestyle there. And some children just die before birth when things like that happen. Even if the blood related couple knew for a fact that they are going to have the baby and they did not wanted, what do you think they are saying? Most likely the idiots, AND THEY ARE flipING IDIOTS FOR SLEEPING WITH EACH OTHER, are thinking "Let's kill the bitch". The most common stupid thing ever. And really why should they even have a baby? Insest is not even a case of wearing a condom or having safe sex. It is wrong period to sleep with your same blood type. Come on, that is like sleeping with your grandmother, HOW MORE SICK CAN THAT GET. So is getting an abortion from insest right? The first question that you must have in your head is, WHY THE HELL DID I SLEEP WITH MY FAMILY MEMBER.
Raping, let us think of how far raping can get. Most times it completely flips up the women's organs. Not being capable of caring a child. And most likely the woman would go through therapy from having like a mental breakdown or something. but come on now, let's be serious. Life is full of choices. People should know the right things to do and the wrong things to do. People should know what is good and what is bad. For example, I know if it doesn't seem safe to live in a certain type of area, which most likely you can tell right away just by the looks of it, then why are you living there? I would rather live in a more secure place, I DON'T CARE IF IT COST ME 300 DOLLAR RENT TO LIVE IN A APARTMENT THAT HAS THE PERIMETER OF A WALK IN CLOSET, as long as I know it is safe. And to tell you the truth, most of the "rapings" here in Miami are by the Orange Bowl where the UM football players play and that is not a safe place to be at period. You will never here about my area saying "WOMEN RAPED AND CARRYING THE RAPERS BABY" because really, you would have to be really slick and asking to go straight to jail to try and rape a girl in my area. Seriously people should think about safety and guess what. Life is full of choices and you start making the choice of how your life is when you first start school. Do you want life hard or easy? If you would like it easy then you would think about to educate yourself to your fullest to get a career in the future, and to make your parent/guardian life easier from worrying about your grades and how your future is going to be. When you put parents through so much pressure in there lives they will never make it through in life and they will just be making enough to survive. Making enough to survive is most likely putting you a step closer to a shelter home. Bringing back to how unsafe areas around there can be. So as long as their are choices in life, which there are many, and you go through the right choices, then you should not be worried about getting raped. And not being raped would not lead to this pregnancy adoption thing. Name me any case of raping and I will give you an answer of how the women could have prevented from being raped. And don't give me no fliping Helen Of Troy type of raping case. That is not realistic. Condom Breaking. This really where it gets to me. This is what probably makes me think that iplay2win is alive right now. Born a mistake. Hold on lol I am not going to give her body punches on a debating topic. Well really I was raised at all times in this saying "You are responsible for your own stupid actions, deal with it." And really That is all I can say about condom breaking. I for one, if that was the case, I would love to keep the baby because I really like children. I play football with 7-9 year olds everyday and really if I don't find the "women of my dreams" then I am so adopting but anyways. If the condom breaks then straight up that is your own fault and you are responsible for whatever comes to you. If the baby is coming, then he is now your responsibility NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if you hate children, if you never wanted kids, whatever. You can blame the one who bought the "smaller than it suppose to be" size condom and you can cry about it, but as long as you have a life inside you besides the one you have in your heart, you are carrying one and now it is your responsibility to go through birth. Abortion shows careless actions. And if you can not afford it, there are ALOT OF flipING GOVERMENT PROGRAMS THAT HELP YOU HAVE THE THINGS YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE FOR THE BABY. When I was a 9 year old child, my mother never had money to take care of her ####orn daughter and she got special help from the government. They would give her 560 dollars a month. That is plenty of money not to mention other places where you can go to help you out. but now we don't worry about money =). It has been a great life with its few struggles =). *cough* Anyways and like I said before, there is always adoption. And no orphanage will give up a child to just some family with a dirty look. And yes there are the bad things of adoption but it comes again to my saying "Better to live life than worry about living." Conclusion. Life is full of choices. Make the right choice and maybe you won't have to go through the thought of abortion. Abortion is yes legal but wrong. And ofcourse, should be everyone with a right mind the "super very last option". Hopefully if you would think for a second you would do all the right choices to live in a SAFE AND HEALTHY society. Safety and Health beats the crap out of condom breaking, insest, and rape. WOO! I OWNED THIS POST! |
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Seriously like any other debater would say, your insults just shows your lackness of knowledge in a debate and shows that you are being proved wrong. Quoting everything I say is pretty pathetic. And I say this because bush quoted almost every word Kerry had said and look who won that debate? Yep, Kerry had the upper hand on it. Kerry didn't need quotes. That debate made some republicans turn into democrats. So is your post lacking? Yes, yes it is. And I already been in many debates on abortion before. And like every debate there is always going to be that one loser who starts the insults, using the insult a way of showing that they are "bigger and more right" than the opponent. And in this debate, which you had created, you are becoming that loser. Think before you make a debate again. Showing insults against others in a debate is an act of weakness. This is why debates in this forum have been pointless the past, 2 years?
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What insults? what insults did i say? the only one that can i can think of is the "shovenistic pig" insult, which really, you did deserve. you were saying that the victims of rape were ASKING to be raped. that angered me alot because i have some personal experiences with rape, and its a very fliping touchy subject.
and i didnt "quote" you, i just refferenced in simple terms (it being stated above) what i am reffering to. so, instead of giving one huge parragraph with many gramical errors, and one large run on sentances i break it into parts. and why all of a sudden are you proclaiming yourself the winner? seems to me you are just jumping on the ball quickly, proclaiming yourself the winner so people will beleive you instead of the facts. seems to me you are just making excuses so you can quit arguing. do you want to end it, ill get someone like NJ to come and review, and score the debate. |
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Gorrilaz985 : hey, joe
joeballz0000 : yo Gorrilaz985 : hey, i need a favor from you... joeballz0000 : wazza? Gorrilaz985 : i need you to read an entire thread, (debate thread), and tell us all who won me, or everyone against me. Gorrilaz985 : its only 6 pages.. would you be able to do that for me? joeballz0000 : -_- Gorrilaz985 : :( joeballz0000 : what's the debate bout? Gorrilaz985 : abortion joeballz0000 : which forum? Gorrilaz985 : sfo forum joeballz0000 : you won joeballz0000 : you're points were much better, theirs were just a bunch of long subjective rants joeballz0000 : why? you guys still using the "great nantuko joe" as reference material? Gorrilaz985 : i did it in the you-style. where i quote every passage and amke rebultles about everything, illimiating their resisting arguments. joeballz0000 : YES! That's the way to debate Gorrilaz985 : lancerpx got all insulted when i called him a "shovenistic pig" >=/ joeballz0000 : hehe there, thats proof enough.the master debater himself, NJ said i won. not only that, but he was ANTI abortion. he saw through his bias to note i won. so ha! im all debated out, and im sure you are too. Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1097293217 |
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Do you really think I care about what Nantuko got to say? I don't care if you consider him your "DEBATE GOD". That is just one person on your side and nothing but a person. Just like his vote on the presidential election isn't any bigger than Bill Gates. I can careless what nantuko got to say. Your little convo to him and using him as a way to have the upper hand is pretty much useless to me. He is nothing but a person.
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VF, don't make me debate against you...
On a lighter note, lancer, I find it hilarious that your last post says that there are no winners in debates. In the previous one, you said Kerry won the debate... You just controdicted yourself... Furthermore, quoting people is a very good strategy for winning a debate. When you quote, you then force others to see fact instead of wrongly accusing you of spewing out opinions... |
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lancer, that was a faulty explanation. Perhaps he was sweating because he was in a full suit and rather hot. Simple things like that don't lead to declaring a winner or a loser. Professional debate analysis dudes have split pretty much 50-50 on who won that debate. Thus, you can't say there was a winner when you've 1) said there are no winners in debates 2) have no basis of that OPINION other than the fact that he was sweating and stuttering and 3) even professionals can't come to an exact conclusion.
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Ah lord, Here we go. Wasting more time on this topic at 12:40 something in the mourning.
Maybe I have to be more clearer on what I had said because there will always be those few who don't seem to understand. In cases like this debate, there is nothing you will. It is like "what are you going to win after this debate?" There will always be someone disagreeing and this topic will go on for 30 pages max. I was in an abortion debate before on a different forum and it went to an 80ish page debate untill it finally got closed since everyone had realized that there will be no winner. When on the other hand, the presidential debate has a crowd to win to choose their destined "leader", which in this case neither bush or Kerry even deserve the President status. but that is just my own opinion. Body language such as sweating, stuttering, etc will just show everyone that the person might be lying or maybe he doesn't have an arguement for it. Making him lesser than the oponent. All my friends who went to that boring Debate Watch Party in University of Miami "where the debate was held" noticed the same things as well. Not only that but there were very few bush followers in the Watch Party. Kinda weird :S Well anyways since I know this is going to turn out to be another "let's gang up on lancer" topic, I will leave. Edited By dominicankid098 on 1097297160 |
[quote:post_uid0="dominicankid098"]Do you really think I care about what Nantuko got to say? I don't care if you consider him your "DEBATE GOD". That is just one person on your side and nothing but a person. Just like his vote on the presidential election isn't any bigger than Bill Gates. I can careless what nantuko got to say. Your little convo to him and using him as a way to have the upper hand is pretty much useless to me. He is nothing but a person.[/quote]
No frikking way...you don't say. I'm nothing but a person? Wow....that's news to me. I never would have guessed that I'm a mere flesh-and-blood homo sapien sapien with an average life expectancy of an average human male. I always thought that I was so much more than just one person....like....a kachima or a higher deity or maybe even a full-blown god. It NEVER dawned on me that I was just a person, no more, no less.....damn, what a life-changing post.... As for being a master debator....what can I say? It's not my fault that in pretty much every debate that I've been involved in, the opposition has had either very little or NO debating skills, sources, quotes or facts to support their claims, and in turn eventually quit the debate in frustration of the fact that they can't break me. Master debator? No. Master debator as compared to many of the prepubescent twerps that have tried to rise up and tell me that I'm wrong about things that I have far more proof of and material to argue than they do, all because they're incapable of forming their own thoughts and opinions and go only by the heresay of their parents and/or guardians and/or elders? Yes. I actually disagree with VF on the issue (as he said), and actually am awaiting the return of BG so I can once again publicly debate this issue, among others, on a forum where my voice and sources are not restricted and ignored by numerous conditions. I simply agreed that VF had the upper hand in the debate becuase he came forward with concrete facts and evidence, instead of "he says she says" instances, what advice his parents gave him, etc, etc. Quote:
The only thing I have a problem with is you, and you deciding to go talking smack behind my back. Both about me and Mallarky. Granted, Mallarky is dead, yes, but then again, you stating that I'm only as "great" as a dead forum means that you think nothing more of me than a dead husk ofused-up consciousness unable to think or do anything. Which, by implication, means that you think yourself more highly than me. Which, by my own word of mouth, is a word that I would use, but is banned on the forum...use your brain and figure it out. Yes, I'm older than 95% of the people from the SFO community, both on these boards and on the now-defunct Battle Grounds. Yes, I have a higher education level than 95% of the people on this community, due to the fact that I'm currently attending college and have already completed one certificate, working towards two degrees and hoping to go to a four-year college to try and get degrees in four different areas, but that's beside the point. The point is that here, on an online forum, I'm an equal to you, you're equal to VF, VF is equal to Karma, Karma is equal to Masta, Masta is equal to KKS, etc, etc. And I therefore don't like hearing about some youngun on a forum making negative comments about me behind my back on a SFO forum. For all intents and purposes, I'm not even supposed to to exist anymore, except in the memories of those who I've considered my "online friends," if such a concept is even truly possible, and certainly shouldn't be brought up in context in either a post proclaiming me as a debate god, or a post talking crap about me and a forum that's been dead for the past three years. So if either of you two, or ANYONE for that matter, wants to make reference to me in such a way that you would be talking down about me without me knowing, then be a man about it and call me out, so it doesn't seem like you're just some damn coward talking about someone behind their back. |
And you think I had no idea that you were veiwing this topic? I was hoping you would reply.
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[quote:post_uid0="dominicankid098"]*Sigh* One of the things that I just simply can't stand about the internet is when someone says dumb things like "be a man and call me out". LMAO Please child you think I am scared of someone on the internet? Calling me a coward and especially you not knowing even half of who I am. I seriously knew for a fact that you would be posting here so how would that make me a coward?[/quote]
Oooookay....deep breath..... First off, I'm not meaning it in a threatening way....apparently in today's teenage society, everything anyone says apparently has a violent connotation. When I say "call me out," I'm referring to the fact that if someone's talking negatively of me, I'd like to know about it, so I have a chance to defend myself. I actually wouldn't have posted here had you not made those comments. Second off....since when does a seventeen year-old get off calling someone four years his senior a child? Unless someone has offended me directly, I tend to show everyone that I interact with a certain level of respect, and would appreciate the same level of respect in return. In my post, I did not refer to you as a lesser individual or as a "child," (on the contrary I did quite the opposite, rebuking previous claims of being "great" and instead placing myself on the same tier as everyone else) and therefore do not deserve that type of disrespect. Now, had I said something along the lines of "Listen up son you talk poop and i'll kill you," then you'd have grounds to make such a statement as you did in the above quote. but becuase I did not, nor showing any inclination of the "threat of violence" over an online forum, such a statement coming from one such as yourself is....how should I say....out of line. Actually, the worst I did was call you a coward, and in that I may have been rather hasty in my selection of vocabulary. Granted, as you say, I indeed do not know "half of who [you are]," and therefore making the coward remark misplaced, but by the same token, you know nothing about me. Furthermore, I know not why you would go out of your way to actually attempt to draw me out and get me to post here......to what ends would this help you attain? Quote:
but to the point, why would using a cuss word be unintelligent? It's a simple fact: people swear. My dad swears. My professor swears. My boss swears. The president swears. Basically, I referred to the swear but didn't type it because the language filter would have edited or removed it, and because I'm human, not a robot, and therefore tend to use phases such as the one I referred to. Whether it be "that's a load of bulls-hit" or "that's a bunch of baloney," the meaning is the same. Just like saying "heck" instead of "hell," or "fudge" instead of "flip," the meaning is the same, so why not say it anyway? Anyway, in order to avoid further prolonged posting sessions, I'd just like to end with this: In an above quote, you said you were not a coward because you knew that I would be posting here in response to what you said. My question is that instead of drawing me here using some halfassed diss comparing me to a nonexistent message board in order to get me to post here, why not just IM me on aol or something and be like "dude, post in this topic" or something? Granted, I see you were probably drawn to that by Vfusing me as reference and apparently taking what I said about the topic as some sort of concrete stamp of approval or the word of god, but in that case, why not just tell him to stfuinstead of dragging my name further into it? Basically, what I'm asking is to simply drop any and all reference to myself or the sometimes reference of me being a master debator...if you'd like me to post a comment or to look over a debate topic, then just IM me and if i'm interested, I'll participate. This goes to Virtual Fighter too.....I was unaware you'd actually post that little convo on the boards to try and further your foothold in the debate....instead, you should have simply asked me to participate...and I may have. Simple as that. Anyways, I've got some other things to attend to that were put aside for a few minutes while these posts were written. Don't take my word as anything unless I directly posted it here (so that post by VF with the aim convo between me and him holds about the same amount of relevance to the topic as one of the Year 2000 doomsday seers. Go on with the debate.....sorry it ended up getting sidetracked....I'll abstain from posting unless someone actually asks me to participate in the debate at large..... NJ PS: dominicankid, if youd' like to discuss this little matter with me further, please, i ask you to do so privately on the forum of either an instant messenger or private messages on the forum. Thanks ) Edited By Shauku on 1097301031 |
[quote:post_uid0="Saijin_Ryu"]^^ obviously, you lot know nothing of this subject, and it can be VERY personal to some people..
oh and shhhh..[/quote] very personal? nobody was saying if it was VERY personal or not you idiot it is a debate about abortion so type up or shut the fcuk up. |
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every topic could be "personal" to someone.
seems to me there are three kinds of people in sfo: those who are for something, those who are against, and those who "take a stand" and not say anything, even try to stop people from debating. i tihnk this topic has been depleated of its natural interest. it has resulted in flaiming, thanks to lancerPX. so, topic closed. |
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