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Nantuko Joe 10-12-2002 04:48 PM

[quote:post_uid0="ss4goku"]dbz would crush x-men because when goku and vegta are super sayin4 they would just blow them up and broly ssj4 would just destory beacause if he tryed to he would blow up the whole galaxy and gotenks would destory them plus vegto,gohan,majin buu,evil buu,super buu,kid buu,goten,andtrunks etc...... :D[/quote]
You said this in the DBZ vs SF thing too.

BROLLY DOESN'T GO SSJ4!!! WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM?


and I've also heard ppl make references to the Dead Zone, and brolli, and whatever, but that stuff never happened in the manga, and therefore isn't official, and therefore never happened.

and to whoever said Banshee would kill Piccolo and Bishop would kill everyone:

Banshee definately wouldn't KILL Piccolo with the scream, but due to Piccolo's sensitive ears, he'd be severely disabled. However, if he ripped his ears off, he wouldn't even have to try in order to kill Banshee.

And Bishop can indeed absorb energy, but if he absorbed too much, it prolly would be real dangerous. I sincerely doubt that Bishop could absorb a Final Flash attack or a Kamehameha

10-12-2002 05:16 PM

Roll: DBZ characters blowing up the planet = trump card to make it a draw. All X-Men AND dbz char. would get killed.

Just something they "can" do if they ever get tired of gettin' their ass's kicked.

gotenks: Do you remember that Piccolo destroyed the Moon when he was around power-level 1000-3000 or so.

Now, what's to stop him from destroying a planet when he gets up around 70 MILLION after fusing with Kami?

Vegeta was able to destroy the planet Arlia with his fingers, and was only @ 9,000.

Freiza was able to destroy planets in his untransformed state with a single finger at around power level 500-600.

Now.. considering that, it really depends at what point in DBZ you're talking about. If it's right B4-during the Sayain Saga... then NONE of Earth's Special Forces could even come close to destroying the planet ('cept perhaps Goku using KaiKen x 3).

Anywhere during/after the Android saga, however... many/most of the dbz fighters could destroy a planet about Earth's size.



Edited By 2000warrior on Oct. 12 2002 at 20:29

Nantuko Joe 10-13-2002 03:04 PM

[quote:post_uid0="2000warrior"]Roll: DBZ characters blowing up the planet = trump card to make it a draw. All X-Men AND dbz char. would get killed.

Just something they "can" do if they ever get tired of gettin' their ass's kicked.

gotenks: Do you remember that Piccolo destroyed the Moon when he was around power-level 1000-3000 or so.

Now, what's to stop him from destroying a planet when he gets up around 70 MILLION after fusing with Kami?

Vegeta was able to destroy the planet Arlia with his fingers, and was only @ 9,000.

Freiza was able to destroy planets in his untransformed state with a single finger at around power level 500-600.

Now.. considering that, it really depends at what point in DBZ you're talking about. If it's right B4-during the Sayain Saga... then NONE of Earth's Special Forces could even come close to destroying the planet ('cept perhaps Goku using KaiKen x 3).

Anywhere during/after the Android saga, however... many/most of the dbz fighters could destroy a planet about Earth's size.[/quote]
-When Vegeta destroyed Planet Arlia, he was at 18,000. however, Arlia could have been a small planet to begin with, and thus made it easier to destroy.

-Furiza was at 530,000, and he was able to do that without even trying.

-Goku KaiokenX3 could NOT destroy an earth-sized planet. he was only at around PL 24,000. However, he COULD destroy a planet the size of earth if he was fighting during the Cell Games. The other Z-Fighters said so too

10-13-2002 04:38 PM

Nantuko Joe: Well, I never was a planet nameck junkie...

But I think I can back up what I posted with some reasonable logic...

When Vegeta destroyed Arlia.. I don't recall him using that blue energy move (whatever it's called). Although he may have used it.. he did destroy the planet with his finger tips.

Dam.. mispelled Furiza's name AND missed his powerlevel (forgot to put the "thousand" on the end). I meant to say "between 500-600 thousand", since I couldn't remember his exact power level.

Well.. Goku @ KaiokenX3 was/is stronger then Vegeta was when he was about to blow up the Earth using his Galla Gun... Gamma.... Ganna... damit can't spell it.

..Anyways, I'll just roll over on my belly and submit since I only seem to have a faded knowledge of stuff I saw once or twice about a year ago...

Nantuko Joe 10-13-2002 05:02 PM

well...like i said. it IS possible that arlia could be only the size of earth's moon, and that is the reason why Vegeta destroyed it so easily.

now, IF arlia was the exact same size and density as earth, then YES, goku could destroy a planet with a KaiokenX3 powered-up attack

MasterX05 10-13-2002 06:40 PM

WARNING!! DO NOT READ UNLESS U WANT TO KNOW THE END OF THE BUU SAGA

well i heard that mystic gohan is so dam strong that when he turns ss he dangers of blowing up the earth. And uub can kick ALL the x-men ass, and if u dont know who uub is he is the rebirth of kid buu after goku did his sprit bomb on him killing him. And some years later 7 I believe the tournerment rolled around. And of course goku was in it and he notice a strange black boy's powerful chi. when goku fought him he knew it was magin kid buu the good version and they were both equal in power. So basicly goku had a better idea, so he took uub and went away to train him and i guess he became apart of the Z fighters.

SSJKarma 10-13-2002 09:31 PM

BANSHEE CAN kill the DBZ chars !
think that way...
he YELL like hell and disable everyone.
then he just cut their head off while they are lying on the ground helpless ! :D
but still it is a little hard to pull.
anyway, he would be an hell of a hard person to kill !

Gambit can charge things like i said with raw ennergy he cannot use PERSON energy to do so as the energy in a person isn't in RAW form ! but he can still takes the RAW energy AROUND the person and charge that same person ! but like i said before, he would disable himself as it is way too much at once !

Roll: in THIS kind of fight, she is useless !
why ?
- can't blast that much she can cause damage enough to hurt a little people. she does have blown up a small part of a metallic wall !
- she is a child with no fighting ability at all, thus making her a really easy person to defeat !
- yes, she can blind, but she also need to be close to them !
- it needs about a thousand little fireworks to make her able to do real damage ! as you said it is like already her limit !
- she can't work alone, she isn't a fighter so she would be able to fight only if she teamed up with someone !

that's pretty much why i said she was useless in THIS fight !

as for BISHOP, no, is absorbing power has no limit.
why i say so, he can absorb cyclops biggest beam and relaunch it ! but you're right about one point. he can't stay with it, he has to rethrow it as soon as he has aborbed it ! or he would explode in a burst of energy.

and there is way too much MUTANT that can actually kill DBZ chars like goku and vegeta !
APOCALYPSE for an example, he is a god-like creature that can't be destroyed in any way. he can pretty much live in space. and can take the most powerfull blast of them all and still not having a single scratch ! but i think APOCALYPSE is out of the way ! just like the WATCHER, SILVER SURFER, THE PLANET EATER (damn his name, i can't remember it)

if we don't talk about all MARVEL chars, then DBZ has lots more chance to survive ! but if you include all MARVEL chars in the marvel universe ! they are simply no match for too much mutant in this world has some mutants have the ability to morph into things and other have the ability to CHANGE the earth to their likings !

10-13-2002 10:13 PM

Who do you think would win @ these?? (plz don't jump on me for misspelling most/all names).

1. Beast having an intellectual debate with Goku... :biggrin:

2. Rouge attempting to "touch" Muten Roshi... Roshi "attempting" to resist.

3. Gambit playing poker Yamcha, Olong, and Bulma.

4. Colassus arm wrestling with Tien.

5. Wolverine and Vegeta see which of them has more patience by standing next to Hercule for a few minutes.

6. Banshee having a screaming contest with Chi-Chi.

7. Hulk and Piccolo seeing who would get the medical staff's attention first by standing around at the same Tenchia Bouidokan that takes place after the Cell Games.

8. Hercule and Warpath, seeing who can run away from danger faster... :biggrin:

9. Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Goku, and Gohan having an eating contest with every single X-Men there is/has been.

mastaq 10-13-2002 10:25 PM

LOL 2k warrior thats some funny ####.. :biggrin:

Nantuko Joe 10-14-2002 06:33 AM

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]BANSHEE CAN kill the DBZ chars !
think that way...
he YELL like hell and disable everyone.
then he just cut their head off while they are lying on the ground helpless ! :D
but still it is a little hard to pull.
anyway, he would be an hell of a hard person to kill !

Gambit can charge things like i said with raw ennergy he cannot use PERSON energy to do so as the energy in a person isn't in RAW form ! but he can still takes the RAW energy AROUND the person and charge that same person ! but like i said before, he would disable himself as it is way too much at once !

Roll: in THIS kind of fight, she is useless !
why ?
- can't blast that much she can cause damage enough to hurt a little people. she does have blown up a small part of a metallic wall !
- she is a child with no fighting ability at all, thus making her a really easy person to defeat !
- yes, she can blind, but she also need to be close to them !
- it needs about a thousand little fireworks to make her able to do real damage ! as you said it is like already her limit !
- she can't work alone, she isn't a fighter so she would be able to fight only if she teamed up with someone !

that's pretty much why i said she was useless in THIS fight !

as for BISHOP, no, is absorbing power has no limit.
why i say so, he can absorb cyclops biggest beam and relaunch it ! but you're right about one point. he can't stay with it, he has to rethrow it as soon as he has aborbed it ! or he would explode in a burst of energy.

and there is way too much MUTANT that can actually kill DBZ chars like goku and vegeta !
APOCALYPSE for an example, he is a god-like creature that can't be destroyed in any way. he can pretty much live in space. and can take the most powerfull blast of them all and still not having a single scratch ! but i think APOCALYPSE is out of the way ! just like the WATCHER, SILVER SURFER, THE PLANET EATER (damn his name, i can't remember it)

if we don't talk about all MARVEL chars, then DBZ has lots more chance to survive ! but if you include all MARVEL chars in the marvel universe ! they are simply no match for too much mutant in this world has some mutants have the ability to morph into things and other have the ability to CHANGE the earth to their likings ![/quote]
Banshee: The DBZ characters, though they cant move faster than light, can surely move faster than sound. They could dodge Banshee's sonic scream to run behind him and disable him. And cut their heads off? Whatever...

Gambit: have no idea what you said, but this RAW energy thing? Sure, he could charge up like a car or a boulder and throw it, but I'm pretty sure any DBZ character (even yamucha) could take a charged up object and still be able to fight

Bishop: Umm...I'm pretty sure that Vegeta's Final Flash is a LOT STRONGER than Cyclops' biggest optic beam.

Apocalypse: I already gave him credit as being able to possibly (big maybe) kill the DBZ characters, he'd give Goku, Vegetto, and Gotenks a run for there money

All marvel characters: That wouldn't be a fair fight, woud it? There are only a handful of DBZ fighters, but there are hundreds and hundreds of Marvel characters

SSJKarma 10-14-2002 09:19 AM

do you really know gambit ?

i didn't say he could charge an object and throw it at them !
HE CAN CHARGE THE PERSON ITSELF ! (who can resist an inside explosion) well... cell can, but that's not the point !

GAMBIT:
he can crge anything that can take KINETICS energy. (the body can take that) he doesn'T need to use the energy IN the thing he's charging. he can take that same kinetic enegy from his surrounding !

he can just charge vegeta or goku if has a grab at them and then charge them up... after a while they will explode and it will be death for them !

but i did say that DBZ would win in a XMEN vs DBZ fight as there is too much for the XMEN to do to really be able to drop on DBZ chars ! but i also said that DBZ would have a hard time killing those XMEN !

BISHOP:
can absorb ANY BLAST as his power is absorbing energy what ever the kind !
he also has unlimited absorbing capacity as long as he doesn't keep it !
example: gambit throwed a card at him and bishop absorbed it
cyclops biggest beam can destroy the biggest mountain in the existing world... i think it's pretty equals to the most biggest blast in DBZ !

the only dif. is the DBZ blast explode and cyclops balst don't !

Nantuko Joe 10-15-2002 06:47 AM

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cyclops biggest beam can destroy the biggest mountain in the existing world... i think it's pretty equals to the most biggest blast in DBZ !

the only dif. is the DBZ blast explode and cyclops balst don't !
ummm...do you WATCH DBZ? DBZ's have the ability to destroy planets. Cyclops doesn't have the ability to blow up Mt. Everest, nonetheless something the size of a planet

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BISHOP:
can absorb ANY BLAST as his power is absorbing energy what ever the kind !
he also has unlimited absorbing capacity as long as he doesn't keep it !
example: gambit throwed a card at him and bishop absorbed it
I'm pretty sure that if he gets hit with a Death Ball (Furiza's staple attack), or a Final Flash, that Bishop wouldn't be able to absorb it and shoot it back simultaneously. Those are very large attacks (the Death Ball is the size of a tiny moon). Bishop would be too busy trying to absorb all that energy, but he wouldn't have anywhere to shoot it back, because there would be so much energy left over.

Take a look at the death ball Furiza threw at SSJ goku. He caught it, but there was no way he could shoot anything else back at Furiza because the Death Ball was too big and if he let go of it to shoot furiza the death ball would have exploded and killed him. Bishop wouldn't be able to do anything, and by time he absorbed the entire attack, the energy would be too much to contain for ANY period of time, and he would die


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GAMBIT:
he can crge anything that can take KINETICS energy. (the body can take that) he doesn'T need to use the energy IN the thing he's charging. he can take that same kinetic enegy from his surrounding !

he can just charge vegeta or goku if has a grab at them and then charge them up... after a while they will explode and it will be death for them !
He wouldn't be able to grab on to GOku and Vegeta in the first place. Goku and Vegeta can move faster than sound. When Goku was on Namek, he OUTRAN AN EXPLOSION when he was in the immediate center of it. That's how fast the Z fighters are. Gambit may have slight superhuman speed, but nothing as compared to the Z Fighters.

And even if he DOES nab hold of Goku or Vegeta, he can't charge up that much energy in a millisecond, it would take him a long time to charge up all the energy that Goku and Vegeta contain. And in that time they could simply knock him away.

MasterX05 10-15-2002 12:46 PM

yep Nantuko i agree X-men does not really stand a chance against DBZ. Sorry all you X-men lovers, and DBZ haters its true. :D

SSJKarma 10-15-2002 08:10 PM

it's not perfectly accurates !

let's just say that even the most formidable fighter in the world make mistakes !

VEGETA for example...
GOKU have done lots of that too !

even the fastest guy in the world can't run forever as to fight he will have to fight HAND-TO-HAND so in that time even the slowest guy can have the time to grab onto someone !

for the rest your pretty right !

**attention attention**
for all that debate has become !
all i have seen are arguments that INCLUDE BLAST THROWING
i have tryed to argument on HAND-TO-HAND combat but none of you rely on those !

example:
"...but vegeta's big bang attack can destroy gambit easily !..."
"...but goku can just throw a big Kamehameha and destroy them all..."
"but cyclops can't duel against the final flash"
"...they can BLOW up planets !..."

it's all that has got into this debate !

HAND-TO-HAND combat are possible as even goku or vegeta has to get down to the level of gambit or wolvie in a close range fight !

again, i never said MARVEL would win against DBZ did i ?
i said they would put a great fight before getting killed !
why ?
again there is too much MARVEL characters in that can simply crush DBZ chars !

as for the speed of the DBZ chars !
a saibaymen have sucessfully grabbed onto YAMCHA and yamcha was way faster then it ! the speed in a fight isn't all that count and you all are making comment as the characters were PERFECT in every single move they do ! scuse me but vegeta is so STUBORN that even the weakest being can go and trap him !

again...
in a CLOSE RANGE FIGHT (hand to hand) MARVEL has all their chances !

for the cyclops blast...
that were you don't know cyclops nantuko !
in comic book he said himself that his beam in RAW MODE can destroy the biggest mountain in the world ! go look the strenght of his blast in WWW.MARVEL.COM and you'll know what i meant !

yes he cannot destroy a planet but he sure can destroy lots of hit with one single blast + his energy beam is UNLIMITED and goku or vegeta 's energy isn't !
why ?
because they use KI and cyclops energy is procuce in MASS he doesn't use his KI !

dexterslab69 10-15-2002 08:37 PM

You people write alot!!!! I go with DBZ too!!! :tongue2:

Roll 10-15-2002 08:46 PM

You're all forgetting one entity. Pheonix.

DARKPICCOLO 10-15-2002 08:54 PM

(Dark Piccolo throws water on Pheonix)

DONE & DONE :lol:

dexterslab69 10-15-2002 09:03 PM

HA!......just felt like doing that! ??? :p

10-15-2002 09:04 PM

well believe me or not but i think Dragonballz will win... .:biggrin:

dexterslab69 10-15-2002 09:05 PM

I think so too! It's that they can turn into Super Sayen (not sure if spelled right!) and hell will break lose! :p

Nantuko Joe 10-16-2002 06:25 AM

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a saibaymen have sucessfully grabbed onto YAMCHA and yamcha was way faster then it
Then again, Yamucha thought that the Saibaman was dead. It surprised him when he had his back turned. He turned around, it jumped on him (he was too surprised to move out of the way) and blew up and killed him

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the speed in a fight isn't all that count and you all are making comment as the characters were PERFECT in every single move they do ! scuse me but vegeta is so STUBORN that even the weakest being can go and trap him !
Have you SEEN the DBZ characters hand-to-hand? You can barely even see them. That's because of their speed. In a fight, speed is everything. Power is only secondary. Look at the Cell saga: USSJ Trunks had more than enough POWER to defeat Perfect Cell, but lacked the SPEED to do so. The DBZ characters can SEE and MOVE faster than normal humans (or even mutants) can. Howver, STRENGTH and POWER also play big parts. If Wolvie takes a swing with his claws...Goku or Vegeta or Trunks or Gohan or Goten or Piccolo could just block it, parry it, then punch a hole through his chest.

ajtimbs 10-16-2002 06:27 AM

x men vs dbz? ???
o i see i don't like dbz
i like x men and pokemon and yu-gi-ho :)

Nantuko Joe 10-16-2002 06:44 AM

If you have nothing intelligent to say, then don't say anything

Roll 10-16-2002 10:34 AM

Trust me, Piccolo, throwing water on Pheonix is not going to do anything at all. Judging by her appearance in the Episodes, she has enough power with mind control to surpass Xavier's even with Cerebro linked with him. Pheonix could just fly over all of the DBZ characters and control them with her mind power.
Then there is Apocalypse. He has the ability to change his body into anything, a drill, a hammer, etc. His strength and technique can get at any DBZ fighter.
Plus, cannonball can withstand damage while using his powers. Surprising as it is, this happens to be true (and I find it wierd) .
Let's not forget Mystiques ability to change into another being, which is so precise, everything is exactly the same. She could change into Goku, and they would have to kill one of them to to try and get rid of her... although, I'm not sure if she could duplicate the power readings.
Emma Frost is also essential to the battle. Along with the ability to become somewhat invincible with one of her powers intact, she can manipulate the minds of others to make them change their thought of what to do. This could effect the battle in a lot of ways.
Then Juggernaut. he could win the battle, as he is unsusceptible to Physical attacks of any kind, and can never be stopped in his pace, but only be slowed down. He is only affected by psiotic attack but only with his helmet off.
Mr. Sinister is immortal due to his genius in biotics and genetics. He is able to rearrange his molecules to change his shape, size, appearance, everything, and has superhuman strength along with an accelerated healing factor.

If you need more people to agrue about, I've gots a list. I just don't want you all to get bored.

Nantuko Joe 10-16-2002 10:42 AM

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Trust me, Piccolo, throwing water on Pheonix is not going to do anything at all. Judging by her appearance in the Episodes, she has enough power with mind control to surpass Xavier's even with Cerebro linked with him. Pheonix could just fly over all of the DBZ characters and control them with her mind power.
That is true. If measly Babidi could control Vegeta, Phoenix could prolly control everyone

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Then there is Apocalypse. He has the ability to change his body into anything, a drill, a hammer, etc. His strength and technique can get at any DBZ fighter.
I already gave props to Apocalypse. He'd be deadly

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Plus, cannonball can withstand damage while using his powers. Surprising as it is, this happens to be true (and I find it wierd) .
I'm pretty sure he wont' be able to withstand all the damage from a super-strong attack like the Renzoku Senkoudan or Biku Band

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Let's not forget Mystiques ability to change into another being, which is so precise, everything is exactly the same. She could change into Goku, and they would have to kill one of them to to try and get rid of her... although, I'm not sure if she could duplicate the power readings.
She can imitate the enemy's physiology, but not their powers. If Mystique transformed into Goku, not only would she not be able to raise her power level, but she wouldn't have any of his abilities, nor the ability to fly

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Emma Frost is also essential to the battle. Along with the ability to become somewhat invincible with one of her powers intact, she can manipulate the minds of others to make them change their thought of what to do. This could effect the battle in a lot of ways.
She can't stay invincible forever. And she can't manipulate the minds of 6 fighters at the same time. At some point in there, she'd be destroyed by a Z fighter

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Then Juggernaut. he could win the battle, as he is unsusceptible to Physical attacks of any kind, and can never be stopped in his pace, but only be slowed down. He is only affected by psiotic attack but only with his helmet off.
Juggernaut...pfft. Compared to the strength of any Saiya-jin Z fighter (except Goten and Trunks), Juggernaut is a wuss. The Z fighters can punch ppl down into the ground and they'd make a crater a mile deep. Juggernaut doesn't have that much power. He could be stopped easily. and I'm pretty sure that any Z fighter could simply crush that measly metal helmet and rip it off. Then he would be susceptible to mental attack

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Mr. Sinister is immortal due to his genius in biotics and genetics. He is able to rearrange his molecules to change his shape, size, appearance, everything, and has superhuman strength along with an accelerated healing factor.
He's not immortal...he could be killed. As you remember, he is susceptable to the optic blasts of lowly Cyclops. I'm pretty sure that if he is blown to miniscule bits, he can't regenerate himself.

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If you need more people to agrue about, I've gots a list. I just don't want you all to get bored.
Bring it on

Roll 10-16-2002 11:09 AM

Goody! I'm getting out your good arguing side! *giggles*

Now let's see...
How about Shadowcat? She has the ability to to slide through solid matter by negotiating the spaces between atoms. This effect can go to her clothing, and any objects or beings that touch her. (which means punches and physical attacks along with certain ki mean nothing to her. :biggrin: ) And while intangable, she can walk on air, and pass through electricity, etc.

Toad is very very different. He has a unique ability to hop very far, which probably wouldn't help him at all, if he didn't have the ability to produce a substance that can paralyze his victims.

Colossus has the ability to turn his body tissue into a metallic substance that is believed to be steel and osmium. That belief is still unknown to be true, but what is known, is that in increases his strength and durability.

Domino is a mutant with psionic control over luck-altering probability fields, stacking the odds in her favor. In other words, never play poker with her! :biggrin:

And finally the baddest one I can think of, Onslaught. Onslaught possessed the combined mutant abilities of progenitors Professor X and Magneto. He could induce illusions, temporary mental or physical paralysis, loss of specific memories, or total amnesia; project mind-numbing mental bolts; and sense the presence of mutants within a small radius. Also, Onslaught was able to shape and manipulate magnetic fields, both natural and artificial. Using his powers to augment his strength, he could lift up to 100 tons. Other abilities included telekinesis and astral projection.

Tidus2K2 10-16-2002 11:10 AM

X-men VS DBZ

LOL I don't know how you can think for a second that x-men would have a chance of winning the fight. Let me tell you one thing. They are all mutants. Humans but with an extra technique that makes them unique.

Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.

LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.

The only advantage that the whole x-men team has is sheer numbers. Counting all the teams they're affiliated with the number goes over 400.

Still I think DBZ will win only because if any of those guys piss vegeta of it's goodbye for the planet and it's inhabitants.

Roll 10-16-2002 11:18 AM

[quote:post_uid0="Tidus2K2"]Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.[/quote]
Um, could Vegeta teleport away from the mind control when Babadi was using his mind control? No. Babadi was able to manipulate Vegeta, and he was a very weak magician. Therefore, mind manipulation is very easy to do against the DBZ characters.

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LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.
Once again, Brolly is not even acceptable in this fight, so this argument is totally off because of it. Don't take this the wrong way though. I didn't make the rules.

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I still say DBZ would win because if they piss off Vegeta blah blah blah blah
I noticed that you over-estimate Vegeta's abilities in this fight. He would be manipulated to forgetting a lot of things (Like how to fight) by Onslaught, or he might just kill himself after being manipulated by Pheonix.

raidus 10-16-2002 11:21 AM

Sigh, X-men could take all the DBZ characters... if I havent said it enough times, DBZ would get owned by gambit, their Ki would be useless... and Cyclops and Gambit could just sit and shoot at them, Wolverine could go close range, and what dbz attacks wont do anything to him, because he heals himself, in the comics Magneto has the ability to use the iron in your blood to your disadvantage, so if we go by comics they would all die. Nightcrawler has more speed than the DBZ chars cause he can just simply teleport. Shadowcat can just own them good, cause their attacks wont hurt her. Storm could slow the DBZ guys down quite abit with her powers, which leaves them to a disadvantage.

Roll 10-16-2002 11:23 AM

[quote:post_uid0="raidus"]Sigh, X-men could take all the DBZ characters... if I havent said it enough times, DBZ would get owned by gambit, their Ki would be useless... and Cyclops and Gambit could just sit and shoot at them, Wolverine could go close range, and what dbz attacks wont do anything to him, because he heals himself, in the comics Magneto has the ability to use the iron in your blood to your disadvantage, so if we go by comics they would all die. Nightcrawler has more speed than the DBZ chars cause he can just simply teleport. Shadowcat can just own them good, cause their attacks wont hurt her. Storm could slow the DBZ guys down quite abit with her powers, which leaves them to a disadvantage.[/quote]
I'm all for saying that X-Men will win, but you're forgetting to state full agruments of what they could do. Cyclops optic blast isn't strong enough to fend off all the DBZ characters, Gambit can only control raw energy, so that won't help against Ki, Wolverine's healing ability isn't THAT FAST, and if they blew his arm or leg off, he wouldn't be able to heal that, Nightcrawler is fast because of his teleporting, but his normal running speeds are slow-ish, Shadow cat cannot pass through ALL attacks, only physical, solid, and a few certain ki attacks, Storm is just a woman who controls the elements of the earth in storms, typhoons, hurricanes, blizzards, etc. I admit that is good, but it wouldn't stop everyone.

raidus 10-16-2002 11:26 AM

Well Id assume its pretty obvious, if you know anything about any of the characters...

Roll 10-16-2002 11:28 AM

If you read my post at all, you would've known why your argument was invalid. Try again.

SSJKarma 10-16-2002 11:28 AM

nantuko: that's were you're wrong about sinister !

he's much like cell and had already bean blown up to bits by cyclops to a point where he was in about 1,000,000,000 pieces ! and jean sent them flying and spreading over the earth. and guess what ?

he BRINGED himself back together ! it took lots of time to do so, but he did !
he isn't MORTAL as he is much like GARLIC jr when he asked for immortality !
even cyclops beam cannot do a big ####. it STOP HIM AND HURT HIM yes ! but it doesn't kill him ! and the only reason it does so, is because cyclops beam isn't ki or anything it's PURE ENERGY ! no one can withstand pure energy !

raidus 10-16-2002 11:32 AM

Roll, Wolverines arms could never be broken off, he has indestructable metal for bones remember. And I dont believe their ki is pure, only the spirit bomb, because they are just using their own energy, and the spirit bomb takes too long to make strong enoug.

Roll 10-16-2002 11:33 AM

Raidus, you're missing the point.

SSJKarma 10-16-2002 11:39 AM

raidus: i didn't say the KI was pure energy ! i was talking about CYCLOPS OPTIC BLAST is !
it's not the same as the genki dama but still is pure energy that can pass trhu anything !
remember that cyclops throw it at the ground and runned while digging with his blast just to get gambit and wolverine back !

that simply explain why he can destroy a mountain because the only thing that keep his blast that small. is HIM because he don't want to do much damage when he use it !

Tidus2K2 10-16-2002 11:57 AM

OK OK x-men would win. I have no idea how that came. Vegeta was in control of babidi without him knowing he had no idea who was in his head plus he had a darkside to him and a low tempered side so it was easy for babidi to get into vegetas head.

Vegetas was changed a lot by the end of DBZ and if he doesn't destroy the plant there will be goku gohan or Cell.

Gambit and Cyclops attacks mean nothing to any of the DBZ character. Gambits move is just like a couple of missiles hitting one of the Z fighters and Nappa was against an army and they couldn't hurt him.

Now i wanna bring a fact from a movie because Goku can do this even outside the movie but it just showed it in the movie.
If nightcrawler teleports goku will teleport with him and the dimension that they goto for that mear second goku would kill nightcrawler in before returning. My proof when metal cooler and goku were fighting they both kept teleporting and kept on showing how they went to the other place and got back fist to fist.

Now for wolverine. It takes time for him to heal from damages done to him. He can't heal himself right the moment he gets damaged and he would get totally incinerated if gets blasted by a Kamehameha or A Masenko. Now remember wolverine had died lots of times but was kept telepathically alive so you can't say that he won't die if he gets hit by an attack from one of the Z fighters.

This mind control thing is really ticking me off. X-man has the power but he's gonna die. Xavier has trouble with the people he tries to control. And Jean is new to it so she doesn't have enough power to kill one of the Z fighters. While she is manipulating one the other would simply blast her to another dimension. Xavier to my knowledge might be able to control like 4 of them but right when he gets them under his control krillin will cut him in half with his destructo disc.

If not broily then lets use cell. If cell gets close to anyone you know as well as I do tht he can obsorb his enemy. Just fro the fun of it he'll teleport behind juggernaut and suck out all the juice form his body including the Gem.

When you think about x-men you use everything in itall the characters and all there strenght. If you use the DBz characters at full strenght or all the other charaters affiliating with DBZ. DBZ will crush X-men.

Roll 10-16-2002 12:07 PM

I'm not using Regular Jean Grey here. I'm talking about Pheonix. You know, the entity that had the mind power to hold back apacolypse while Cable excorsized (sp?) him. You could control the entire DBZ cast with her mental abilities. And you keep forgetting Onslaught. I stated it before, and I will state it again. He has the ability to cause amnesia, memory loss, and temporary Paralysis both mind-wise and physically.

Oh and as the Gem is not a biotic thing, it cannot be drained of power, therefore keeping Juggernaut alive, and well sustained.

SSJKarma 10-16-2002 12:28 PM

so true for juggy !
and juggy throwed out the gem out into space to be sure no one ever messed with his powers !
cell wouldn't be able to absorb juggy as he would need to pass thru his armor... and as i know NOTHING HAD EVEN past thru it ! it made a big bunt in it but it never made a hole in it !

the gem wouldn't be absord as roll said ! CELL can't absorb what isn't biological !
the powers of juggy are too much !
and yes, juggy would resist any attacks of any DBZ chars !

and tidus2k2...
GOKU and METAL COOLER weren't teleporting !
they were just too fast for the normal eyes to see them !

nightcrawler would survived in that other universe but at the speed it goes on ! GOKU wouldn't have time to kill him before he gets back as it is INSTANT ! and goku would get trapped in that other universe if it wasn't for nightcrawler opening him the door to this one again !

night crawler can cause them way too much damage and i am glad to know someone who had made me think of fav !
nightcrawler is one of the SIMPLE X-MEN that can kill any DBZ chars !

when he teleports it makes an explosion (a little but an explosion) he could simply teleport aside them and do it indefinitely ! thus making any DBZ chars unable to hit him but still DBZ chars would take full damage !

and they cannot sense him as it is TELEPORTATION ! so there is no way they can know where he will be appearing !

Tidus2K2 10-16-2002 12:32 PM

OOKK. Now to bring in the big guns for Juggernaut. Read

Onslaught literally pulled the Crimson Gem out of Cain's body and put him inside it. Inside the Gem, Cain journeyed through his part, and found out that he was the avatar of Cytorrak on Earth. Cytorrak wanted to use Cain as a host, but Cain, through sheer force of will, destroyed the animated statue representing the evil god and returned to Earth, stronger than ever, but less in control, and destined to destroy everything in his path. After OZT, he actually showed up at the Mansion with a lawyer and tried to weasel the team out of Xavier's money, given that the Prof was missing. He was ignored, because everyone was trying to save Cyclops's life, and got ticked off, but when he saw the ragged condition of the team, he left, saying that they'd fall apart within a few weeks anyway. Later, Cain heard of a second gem in Korea, and went to get it, but fell into a trap laid by the Chejo-Do clan. They used the second gem to suck the power out of Juggy, leaving him a withered shadow of his former self. However, and Black Tom's request, Gambit, Storm and Shadowcat stole the gem back. Unfortunately, the second gem was imbued with the evil of Cytorrak, and Cain was possessed. He began a rampage that led him to actually break down the barriers between dimensions, and left our reality altogether. The X-Men were called in to stop him by the Oktid, the denizens of that plane, again at Black Tom's request. In reality, however, it was the Trion, the ruling "gods" of that dimension who were using their sequestered "dark side" to control Cain's body, hoping to get the X-Men to destroy him and rid themselves of their own evil. Xavier and Wolverine managed to enter Cain's mind, where they convinced him to re-take control of the power of the Juggernaut, which he did. He did not leave that dimension with the X-Men, but he somehow managed to get back to Earth to help Black Tom attack the kids of Generation X.

OK happy it's possible and i'm betting one of the dbz characters could do it.

Now for phoenix please specify which one your talking about a host or the entity that helps out a teleknetic mutant.

Thor burst through Onslaught and physically removed Xavier from the villain. However, this did not slow Onslaught down; in fact, once he was no longer tethered to his original host, Onslaught became a being of pure psionic energy. Tapping into Nate Grey's mind to learn how the Apocalypse of his time took over the world, Onslaught realized that neither men nor mutants were "worthy" to live on Earth, and so decided to obliterate them all. Using Franklin's awesome power, Onslaught created a second sun in the sky. While Storm and Thor tried to minimize the climactic damage, the Hulk had Phoenix shut down his Banner persona, and became a raging beast intent on stopping Onslaught. The two fought, and the Hulk even broke Onslaught's armor, but it didn't matter. Onslaught had evolved into pure thought. The heroes realized that matter was needed to contain Onslaught, so Thor flew into the torrent of psionic energy. When he proved insufficient, the rest of the non-mutant heroes joined him (mutant matter would only have fed Onslaught, who was a mutant himself), sacrificing their lives to defeat one of the most powerful beings ever.
So now you'll have to specify which form of him as well. It's kinda like a kick in the butt isn't it.


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