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what does the government really give you if you become a citizen? i dont really see any form of "protection" that isnt already offered to everybody. The government provides the backbone infastructure of any nation. From the military to a highway being built. The government in power also has control over how the criminal justice system in the country works. Think about it like this lets say you have a country and the leader has a militeristic approach. Based on the idea that military might makes right. So right of the bat you'd have a country with a powerhouse for a military. The societie could also change to values that agree/encourage more military might. By societies values i understand and agree with the fact that not everyone will agree with what this leader is doing, what i mean is that concensus or the majority will be with this leader. The point im trying to make is that the government provides us with physical necessities and protection from people taking advantage of the fact that these physical things are necessities, like a monopoly in a market place. Perhaps even more important is the fact that the government can potentially shape the concensus' opinions to agree with their own giving them the ability to become more militeristic in this case. For example theres the universal declaration of human rights.(Has to with rights of liberty, life, security of the person, to be free of toture and so on.) In canada if the governent tries to pass any legislation that infringes on any of the human rights the legislation is immediately tossed away by the courts, but thats because parliment has given the courts the power to do this. but when Sadaam was in power he must of forgot to read the universal declaration, the courts were not given the same power, so he could do what ever he wanted. This above paragraph is full of flaws based on assumptions though, i was only trying to show how a government has the chance to shape the nation. The government(through a democratic system at least) represent what the concensus value. The laws and services that the government provides are then also reflected by the people. You wouldn't vote for someone whos policies you didnt agree with. I hope some of this made sense... i prolly goofed it up some where lol. do you not think it fare for the government to (i think you ment to put a 'not' hear) open its doors to immigrants, after doing so much bad things to them? (killing of indians, stealing of land, wars, ect) so im assuming the question is asking "do you think it fare for the goverment to not open its doors to immigrants, after doing so much bad things to them?" If the government simply says no because of stereotypes or unproven fears then how can anyone say it is fair. My answer would have to be that as long as both parties agree to the terms there is no reason to not allow anyone into the country(other than an over population issue, which isn;t an issue in america or canada), part of agreeing to the terms would have to be some kind of process to becoming a citizen. I don't know how long it takes to get a green card or become an american citizen. I also know about a refugee status that people can get but the system is messed up when it comes to refugee status at least in canada. I remember reading about this article a lady from africa came to canada with her kids hoping to be allowed refugee status, she was denied, she made an appeal but im not to sure what happened, though chances are she was sent back. From waht i recall she was fleeing her country because she claimed she was being raped/harrased/totured by soldiers, i also think a soldier murdered her husband, she also claimed that if she returned to her country she would probably be shuned, or stoned. My parents for example aren't considered to be canadian citizens, they have this card i can't remember what its called but the card must be renewed around every fifth year or so, they aren't illegal so they get some rights but they can't vote in any elections whether it is federal, provincial or municpal. I find it kinda of funny though cause they been here since they were 20 and there like 50 now. They spent most of their life here. hoped i answered the question to your liking. This must be my longest post ever |
Illegal immigrants should remain illegal and that's that. The US is not a parking lot with an endless capacity. If your parked here illegally, you get towed. :cheesy:
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UMM MEXICAN ROOCK ESSPECIALLY THEIR WOMEN IF YOU SEE A MEXICAN WOMAN IN YO HOOD U BETTER TELL ME FIRST AND U'LL HERE ABOUT IT LATA
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Virtch, your full of hot air. You don't know the facts and are basing this all on opinion. Besides, the Indians were too primitive to have tow trucks. BOOOOOORN IN THE US...SR!!!! :cheesy: |
how the hell is this all oppinion?
its all logic and facts. i'm not the one "full of hot air". i would say you, but i dont want restevega bugging me 24/7 asking me to appologize. check my posts, you will clearly see some facts and logic. and oppinion, but thats a given. oh, and maddox has this to say: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart oh, and you DO know that bruce springsting wrote "born in the USA" as a sarcastic ploy to what people like you call patriotism? which is kind of ironic, when you think about it. |
how about this
people should not immigrate illegally......just for overall security reasons if they really need to get into america for whatever reason, they should take the time to do it properly if an illegal immigrant is caught or discovered, he should be pointed in the way so that he can legally become a citizen. (that is unless they're hanin out in the US messin with drugs, and dont try to tell me that it doesnt happen....) |
Mermaids are Sea-Sluts!!!
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[quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish![/quote]
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians |
[quote:post_uid0="Ludacris"][quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish![/quote]
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians[/quote] These debates and discussions always lead to race and problems. |
from who?
all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights. |
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]from who?
all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights.[/quote] Your steering your own topic off topic. |
no, it's very much on topic. the topic about racism in america is closley related to this.
and plus, i was just saying that because you came out of no where claiming this topic leads to racial tenssion. which is true, but the only was to deffuse tenssion is to.. well, deffuse it. and isntead of keeping it in the blue, talking about it is much better. |
atleast you dont have a political party obsessed with getting all foreigners out the country in america. *national front*
all powerfull countries are fliping made that way because of foreigners. especially america the people you had working it for you wernt even willing to do it,you got africans to slave for you and you took everything from them. and then you tell em to get out!? lmao a nice slap to the face huh. |
[quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"][quote:post_uid0="Ludacris"][quote:post_uid0="MasterX05"]My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish![/quote]
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians[/quote] These debates and discussions always lead to race and problems.[/quote] like tarken already said even if a canadian illegally enters america he/she is an illegal immigrant regardless if he/she is black/white/asian/german/indian and so on. People make it an issue of race. Maybe its the only way they can justify anything. |
hey i have a question is our perception of race accurate
i thought the humans were a race not black white or whatever u maybe the race people speak of is really a social class not an actual race(and guess whos at the top) and also i think immigration laws are neccessary or all people would over crowd crowded areas like america because ya we have jobs land space and what not so people are all going to come here or england or any other place with a good economy and living space but i do believe they are to harsh |
this is from dictionary.com for a definition of race.
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. A genealogical line; a lineage. Humans considered as a group. Biology. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine. immigration laws are a form of population control. |
Illegal immigration and black & white have nothing to do with each other Virch. We weren't talking about race we were talking about laws and regulations. You seem as if you are trying to insult one race while honoring another. I don't really care about all that race stuff but you wouldn't want someone coming here and starting a fight because you were disrespecting there race. And these kind of discussions always lead to that.
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[quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"]Illegal immigration and black & white have nothing to do with each other Virch. We weren't talking about race we were talking about laws and regulations. You seem as if you are trying to insult one race while honoring another. I don't really care about all that race stuff but you wouldn't want someone coming here and starting a fight because you were disrespecting there race. And these kind of discussions always lead to that.[/quote]
Well put, Wind. Virtual Fighter is taking this topic into a ditch. Let him... |
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]from who?
all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights.[/quote] VF, please don't even dare go into the whole "White people are racist" crap when other races have proven themselves to be just as racist... Furthermore, illegal immigrants don't belong in the U.S. It isn't very hard to go to the government and become a citizen. If you don't do things the right way, then you deserve to be punished for it. When people take a prescription drug without... a prescription, they get punished for it. If you live in America without proper citizenship papers and crap, you should be punished for it. Oh, and about the whole Indian thing... First of all, many people befriended the Indians. Yes, many didn't, but many did as well. I won't lie and say we did the Indians any favors because we didn't. but, in addition, the Indians had no national government. They had tribes, sure, but nothing so concrete that citizenship was required. Edit for spelling... Edited By blaze985 on 1098505367 |
[color=#32CD32:post_uid2]They eat all the money.Like those ppl who make more babies then they have money for......And they talk bout how hard therye life is they sit around on there lazy ass and drink booze from foodstamps.........i say stop flipen screwing..
*pimp slap* get offur obese ass and work bitch work! Like the rest ofus and stop living off welfare! Act ur age![/color:post_uid2] |
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There is nothing wrong with people who come and are willing to work the problem is than a portion of them come here and do nothing but before you try to contradic me listen to what I have to say my Dad works with U.S. Customs or now as the idiot in the oval office has assimilated them into The Department of Homeland Security anyway, and he knows the truth, I know the truth, that being that while there are people who immigrate for work there are those that only immigrate over and do nothing as well, but by that same moral they're no different in logic from an american born citisen who is unproductive; what I belive should be done is the creation of a policy that allows people to immigrate on a temperary basis, requiring that they can maintain a steady job and contrubute to society, in which case after a period they can be given full citizenship. On that same note however, for those that wish to immigrate but fail to contibute by any means to contrubute to the country in any way to be deported back to their homw county. I belice if we had something like this in effect the problem of illegal imigration could be resolved if not treated by any means.
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[color=#810541:post_uid11]Zero, they already have that. Its called a Visa! Look at this site! http://travel.state.gov/visa/index.html Now read the second paragraph! They already have all of that. America is doing the best it can and thats that!!
Virch posted that he wanted to hear our thoughts and opinions, while all he has been doing is ridiculing them. He pushes his idealism on our opinions trying so hard to show that his believes and his alone are the right once! You don't want a compromise you want it the way you want it and everyone else is wrong! Well, Who are you to decide what is right for this country? And who are you to point fingers at what race does what? Do you have some sort of a University degree on socioeconomics? Are you a college professor who knows the real facts and details? I don't think so! And don't you even try to say that "the white community" is flipping up. I don't see the black,hespanic etc. communities sitting down and trying to work it out! All of our communities are on their toes ready to fight and I believe its because of people like you VF. You have managed to turn this whole topic into a racial issue!? You and you alone had the power to stop this. Don't even try to say that others started by mentioning the indians because you were the only one saying black and white. You know what Virch, if you are so displeased with America... If this country pisses you off this much and you simply hate all of this "racism" and unjust treatment than leave! No one is holding you down with ropes and chains. THAT! Is the beauty of this country! You can do whatever the ### you want! You will never EVER change the laws of this country!! It is the way it is for a reason!! And nothing will change that fact! I can't believe that your poor mother had to struggle so hard to bring YOU hear, while all you've managed to do is complain! I don't think your mom cared about how much racism and hate existed here. All she cared about was getting YOU a better life! And I'm guessing if she struggled as hard as she did to come here than where ever she came from was exceptionally worse! Why do you think we even have illegal immigrants in this country? HUHH!! If this country is so bad than why is every one trying to come here!? Kiss the ground you walk on! Shut your mouth! And thank The lord all mighty that you were blessed with the opportunity to step foot on this great land! Because many would KILL to be in your position![/color:post_uid11] |
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VF, stop being a moron. I said NATIONAL Government. Indians didn't have NATIONAL Governments. Try going to Government class, and if you've taken it or are taking it, listen better next time. Tribes are NOT National Governments. They had local governments similar to what cities/states have now. Illegal Immigration is a NATIONAL Government thing. Furthermore, it is wrong for them to come here and be 'illegal.' Why? You say "and want to do things the right way." 98% of the time (a statistic from psychiatrists, Christian teaching professors, and secular (that means non-Christian) pfoessors) you're doing exactly what it is you want to do. If that means not getting your papers, that's what it means. Thus, they don't want to do things the right way. And, getting papers is a way to keep track of our citizens so that terrorists don't come here and attack us from the inside.
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I was watching this movie with cheech and chong where 1 of them went to mexico and he tried different things to go across border.. Trust me legal way is the best way....
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all i know is that yall need to stop takin all of Mexicos flu vaccines greedy bastards :p
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Terrorist will use it well if there was illegal immigration....
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Who they hell would bring a crack head to sleep in their house..
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Crack head?
thats a stereotype. did you know that MOST (from what i've seen) of homeless people have a mental disability? they are eigther crazy, mentally retarded, or have other disabilities. these people shouldnt be in the street, they should be getting help, but if you have a mental disability, you only know the streets, and have no family, where do you get the idea that there is a place to help you? oh, and i fyou like the cheech and chong movies, i strongly suggest you whatch "Born in East LA" it much relates to this subject, it's about cheech marin who gets caught by the INS, even though he is a citizen. They question him, and when they ask "Who is the president of the united sates?" he replies (the correct answer was ronald raygon) "That guy that was in the movies... the cowboy... uhh... John Wane!" so, they sent him to mexico, wrongly. he had to work to pay a coyote and meats freinds, a girlfreind, and some OTMs. (long story XD) VERY funny. VERY good, and very much closley related to this subject. |
yeah that is a really funny movie......I doubt its as realistic as you presume though.
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What so hmm a crack head gets invited to sleep in your house.. you wake up with no tv,dvd player game system etc, food GONE and he is no where in sight..=/
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thats pretty cynical.
Homeless people are people too. saying they are "crack heads, they steal and they are no good" is nothing but a stereotype. kester: i dont really know anything in the movie that is farfetched. for something to happen to one person and be so funny is sort of exadurated, but things like that erally happen. |
Yes they are people but my house aint no homeless shelter...
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Your comparing yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. and the President...
Go out on the street, holding up signs, and setting up rallies would be one of the two... but your sitting on your computer chanting this on a gaming forum... yeah... That's very Martin Luther King Jr.ish of you! Your making such a big difference in the world right now Virch. Pat yourself on the back. All the poor are fed and everyone in the projects is happily ever after. I guess the people finally began to take your pink font seriously! :laugh: Thanks for the banner! I'm outta here! Edited By Windarossa on 1098584243 |
that isnt the topic at hand.
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All this thread amounts to is a bunch of articulately formed flames that go along with the topic. Face it, illegal immigrants are considered illegal by everyone. Republicans and Democrats both agree that they are bad. They both say the other doesn't do enough to stop it, but they both agree that illegal immigration needs to be stopped. Considering they have professional people who are smarter than both ofus telling them the why's, where's, when's, how's, etc. of why they're bad, they're obviously something America should fight against.
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